Why GT 5 is an epic fail.

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Nerdbuster, there's no need everyone can achieve a gold medal, like not everyone can play CoD on hard difficulty..

I believe bronze should be doable for everyone, but silver and gold just for the gifted and those who put time into it.. And sadly, PD have already dumbed down this game a lot with it's poor a-spec and several pretty easy licences and specials..
 
Nerdbuster
I already know that. But how many do you think can really acheive that? GT 5 is supposed to be a game for every hardcore car guys, not a game for a few gifted.
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It is a game for you. You don't have to get gold on every single event and challenge for it to be a 'game for you'.

I can't get a perfectly functioning utopian metropolis! Sim City is a fail!

I can't get my party to level 99! Final Fantasy is a fail!

I can't get to the 0-1 level! Super Mario Brothers is a fail!

I can't get gold on the Vettle challenge with a DS3! GT is a fail!

Complain, complain...
 
Nerdbuster
What? I already got all golds with a wheel. I just wanted to see how difficult it is with a pad. And I'm telling you difference is huge.
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It's a driving simulator. I'm not sure about your car, but mine doesn't use a DS3 to control it...
 
charliec
I understand your point:


Yes, the target times are easier to achieve with a driving wheel than with the DS3 controller. This is true of any race in the game as a driving wheel allows for a finer degree of control. Nothing worth noting here. This challenge is not unique in that respect.

The point I think you're missing is that this is supposed to be the ultimate car and (I don't think it's an exaggeration to say) this challenge is the ultimate skill test in the game.

It's supposed to be hard. Not everyone is supposed to be able to get a gold. Even with a driving wheel. They created a car that's difficult to drive and set the bar for achieving the gold very high. And that's that. It's been done, so it's clearly possible. It's just difficult. Stop overthinking it.
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So you are saying, it's ok to be unfairly hard for DS3 users whom are likely most buyers of this game.
 
Nerdbuster
So you are saying, it's ok to be unfairly hard for DS3 users whom are likely most buyers of this game.
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No, I'm saying it's not about being "fair". You're getting hung up on the idea that it should be "fair". There's no "fair", it's a driving simulation. In this case, a simulation of driving an almost impossibly fast car. Trying to do that with tiny little analog joy sticks will of course be hard. It'd be ridiculous for it NOT to be hard. Nothing fair or unfair about it.
 
OP, the fact that you describe something as "an Epic Fail", makes your opinion instantly and permanently worthless
 
This thread is a meme-attractor, so:

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You can't complete a challenge which others have, so you blame the producers of the game:dunce:
 
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Nerdbuster
Ok, recently I've been trying the Vettel challange again, this time with DS3. Because so many of you here were saying how difficult it is with a pad, I had to try and see. And I'm 100% sure, none of those who made this game tested it with DS3 before launch, especially when it comes to the Vettel challenge. Doesn't matter how you can get used to a pad, you can never finish two consecutive successful labs because your fingers get tired and really heart, especially your left thumb. Steering response and throttle adjustment can never be as accurate, quick and smooth as with a wheel. With a pad, I could only bronze them at my best. If I compare level of difficulty, I'll say getting bronze with a pad is like getting silver with a wheel. Considering most of us have DS3 only, this challenge shouldn't be in the game. This is a disaster. All companies put their pre-products on all kinds of tests so that they can correct any potential problems before they bring them out to the market. And PD didn't do what is so basic. Now with the 1.06 updates, PD increased bronze time a lot. And what's next? Increasing gold time to bronze time? Is this their way of admitting mistakes? I'm not even sure what they've been doing for the last five god damn years. I see a decade of reputation fading away at once.
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Wow, so because you fail that means the game fails? Sorry but not everything is a "gimme" in life. I earned my X2010 by getting all bronze and I'm proud of it!

Look at Warcraft, only a few people will ever have the chance to own a Legendary weapon and I don't hear a single complaint about Blizzard failing for making something rare that is hard to achieve.

Chalk this one up as a life lesson and play another game (not Warcraft).
 
Yeah, GT5 is a complete failure just because you can't get gold in the hardest challenge in the game.

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Not every challenge in every game has to be attainable for all the masses. If it were easy what would the point be? Have you played Demon's Souls? Part of what makes it a great game is the difficulty level, but it is not a cheap game. If you die in that game you did something to deserve it. If you can't get gold in SV Challenge then you did something to cost you time. Deal with it, it's you that fails, not PD.
 
Here's what you guys are saying.

Dhumavati80
Wow, so because you fail that means the game fails? Sorry but not everything is a "gimme" in life. I earned my X2010 by getting all bronze and I'm proud of it!

Look at Warcraft, only a few people will ever have the chance to own a Legendary weapon and I don't hear a single complaint about Blizzard failing for making something rare that is hard to achieve.

Chalk this one up as a life lesson and play another game (not Warcraft).
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Fredde_swe
Yeah, GT5 is a complete failure just because you can't get gold in the hardest challenge in the game.

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nyyellowtaxi
No, he's saying the game is an epic fail because HE couldn't do it. :sly:
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and here's what I said. I don't want to repeat this again.

Nerdbuster
Ok, many of you simply don't seem to be understanding my situation. I'm not whining because I'm a DS3 user. I already got all golds with a wheel. I just wanted to see how hard it can be with a pad and found out that it's million times harder than with a wheel. If PD knew this before the release of GT 5, I'm sure they wouldn't have set such a hard time for DS3 users, meaning they haven't tested it with DS3 before releasing. It's a huge mistake.
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My point isn't about whining how difficult the challenge is.
 
Big Ron
Epic fail because of the Vettel Challenge?

I will never drive the X1 nor test out the Vettel Challenge, because I hate both. But that´s no reason to call GT5 an epic fail.
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I've test driven it, but its a ridiculous fantasy to me and therefore disinteresting.
So I wouldn't waste my time with it.

It does irk me that with all the multitude of cars and car classes, PD took up game space for that thing, when there are hardly any races for the others.
 
charliec
No, I'm saying it's not about being "fair". You're getting hung up on the idea that it should be "fair". There's no "fair", it's a driving simulation. In this case, a simulation of driving an almost impossibly fast car. Trying to do that with tiny little analog joy sticks will of course be hard. It'd be ridiculous for it NOT to be hard. Nothing fair or unfair about it.
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It has to be fair since all of us paid same money for the game. Problem with the Vettel challenge is that target times are set for wheel users not DS3 users. The 1.06 updates clearly proves that PD sees time set in the Vettel challenge as a mistake to correct.
 
Nerdbuster
Ok, many of you simply don't seem to be understanding my situation. I'm not whining because I'm a DS3 user. I already got all golds with a wheel. I just wanted to see how hard it can be with a pad and found out that it's million times harder than with a wheel. If PD knew this before the release of GT 5, I'm sure they wouldn't have set such a hard time for DS3 users, meaning they haven't tested it with DS3 before releasing. It's a huge mistake.
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Again, just because YOU can't do it, doesn't mean others can't. I use both the wheel and the DS3, I am equally fast (or suck) at both. I am actually faster with the DS3 in some situation. I gold most licenses with a DS3.

You are the epic fail.
 
nyyellowtaxi
Again, just because YOU can't do it, doesn't mean others can't. I use both the wheel and the DS3, I am equally fast (or suck) at both. I am actually faster with the DS3 in some situation. I gold most licenses with a DS3.

You are the epic fail.
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I never said others can't do it. However compare to wheel users, those finishing the Vettel challenge with all golds will be quite small in ratio. You might have different opinions. But that doesn't mean you can call me an epic fail.
 
Nerdbuster
I never said others can't do it. However compare to wheel users, those finishing the Vettel challenge with all golds will be quite small in ratio. You might have different opinions. But that doesn't mean you can call me an epic fail.
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And just because you can't finish a challenge which others can, that doesn't mean you can call the game an epic fail:rolleyes:
 
Nerdbuster
It has to be fair since all of us paid same money for the game. Problem with the Vettel challenge is that target times are set for wheel users not DS3 users. The 1.06 updates clearly proves that PD sees time set in the Vettel challenge as a mistake to correct.
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

No, life isn't fair, are you just learning this? A blind guy will probably never gold this challenge, is that fair? Someone with no hands may never gold this, is that fair? The only way to make it completely fair is to not make the game at all and give everyone the same chance of (not) doing something.

Otherwise, there will always be inequalities. One of those inequalities is that using a driving wheel makes driving easier than using joystick controllers. That's reality.

If you can't deal with challenges in life without immediately responding to them by saying "that's not fair!"...well, I'd stay home. And off of your Playstation.
 
zedextreme8177
And just because you can't finish a challenge which others can, that doesn't mean you can call the game an epic fail:rolleyes:
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Ouch. All right, my topic was quite a bit harsh. I admit that. But still, my points stand clear. Target times in the Vettel challenge were set for wheel users not DS3 users, being quite unfair for the latter. Furthermore, it means they haven't tested the game with DS3 at the average level most buyers play. That is a hugh mistake.
 
zedextreme8177
And just because you can't finish a challenge which others can, that doesn't mean you can call the game an epic fail:rolleyes:
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What I was going to say.

Nerdbuster
Ouch. All right, my topic was quite a bit harsh. I admit that. But still, my points stand clear. Target times in the Vettel challenge were set for wheel users not DS3 users, being quite unfair for the latter. Furthermore, it means they haven't tested the game with DS3 at the average level most buyers play. That is a hugh mistake.
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Leave others out of it. Speak for yourself and for yourself only. I use a DS3. I have no problem.
 
charliec
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

No, life isn't fair, are you just learning this? A blind guy will probably never gold this challenge, is that fair? Someone with no hands may never gold this, is that fair? The only way to make it completely fair is to not make the game at all and give everyone the same chance of (not) doing something.

Otherwise, there will always be inequalities. One of those inequalities is that using a driving wheel makes driving easier than using joystick controllers. That's reality.

If you can't deal with challenges in life without immediately responding to them by saying "that's not fair!"...well, I'd stay home. And off of your Playstation.
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LOL, sorry I'm 35 and I've already learned everything you said quite a long time ago. But this is just a game. It shouldn't be about ineaulities. Mass buyers are DS3 users. Everything has to be focused on them when making games.
 
I think we ALL knew when we bought this game that those using a wheel do have a performance edge.

I knew that and this is the first GT game I've played. (Absolutely LOVE IT BTW!)

I'm using the HKS controller and even it is head and tails superior to the DS3 (for $40).
 
*Goes to get Snake55wildcat who bronzed the X1 challenge with a DS3 pre-update*

They (PD) updated the bronze times and made them 10 easier to achieve. Now stop crying before you flood the world.
 
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