Why I'm very, very worried about GT5

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I've been playing a lot of GT4 lately in the last few days...6 lappers on numerous circuits including Nurburgring, Le Mans and Motegi Full Circuit using the Aston Martin DB9 and the old skool Alfa 155 TI '93. Love the feeling of those cars around those tracks...but I'm not worried about the handling.

It's the little things that pop-out, the fine details that make GT4 so good, many of which are more noticeable in replay mode. In my opinion GT4's replays are still absolutely best in class...so gracious, made with loving care and attention.

So, on to the point of this thread!

Playing the last few days made me realise many of those little things have yet to be confirmed or even seen. A little list below, reasons why GT4 is still an absolutely brilliant game to play and see:

- the topography of Nurburgring and Le Mans is immense in GT4...seeing the cars skitter over undulations is marvellous
- the colouration pops-out...the sunkissed green grass at Nurburgring and the sunset clear blue sky of Motegi looks amazing
- exhaust flames
- camera angles of replays...you can go three whole laps on any circuit without any repetition of replay angles

I find all this adds to the majesty of a GT4 replay. The fact all this pops-out when watching a replay makes viewing them pretty exciting but worryingly I've yet to see any evidence of any of this in GT5. Recent Nurburgring gameplay videos seem flat in comparison.

Topography is the most important aspect I'm worried about, though.

Am I being overly anxious about how GT5 may change the experience?
 
I know what your saying but its the same guy responsible for the beautiful GT4 in charge of GT5, so I think it will have the same attention to detail, maybe more so come release day! Fingers crossed lol

The tracks are very flat and smooth in prologue though so I hope that is sorted , or at least some difference in feel to the surface, it feels so much quicker when your skimming off the little bumps and dips
 
I can understand your concern. I went back to playing GT4 a while back and I was also impressed by how good the game still actually looks. Its also still great fun to play. My question though, what exactly are you using the compare these things? Video footage? GT5P? Something else we dont know about? With the limited info we have I dont think it is entirely possible to make good comparisons. At a certain point they will have to give us info and feature lists, so by that time we will know... I just know that with the lengthy development time here, the game BETTER be good, if not Colossal! I cant imagine PD putting down a sub-par game that doesnt blow our minds away and wont be playable for years to come after this length of time to develop the game.

The TT demo also showed the cockpit to be more lively and bouncy under braking then before. I think after what we saw in the demo theyre heading in the right direction. We will never know 100% for sure though until the game is here. I do know where youre comnig from with your concerns. I think everyone has raised concerns about the game at one point or another...
 
I was reminded of GT4's beauty a few months ago when I started playing it again. The only thing I really worry about (and I'm assuming here) is that GT5's replays will be 30fps, and may detract from the flow. Now, I don't have much of a problem with GT5P or the TT, but it still would be better in 60fps IMO. Well, you can't have everything, and we won't know until confirmed/we see it.
 
I wouldn't worry so much, it's the same crew that's developing the game, so I say expect updates on all that made GT4 so authentic.
 
GT5 will be exponentially nicer and more detailed.
 
One of the things that impressed me about GT Academy was the dumps in the track. GT5 is sure to be a step above prologue in that regard.
 
There is a reason why I don't go back to old games, because if all you are going to do is compare what was in GT4 to GT5, you are likely going to come away disappointed for one reason or another.

From what I've seen, GT5 will more than suffice, but that's because it has been many years now since I last played GT4.
 
@ Vincent Viceroy

ex. flames were added only just few weeks before premiere. Also you can't judge full game to only parts and few videos.
 
Hope backfire and sparkles are in the game, really love watch replays of RX-7 Ammenya and Opel Astra Touring Car at Nurburing with these little details, it make the game so much more alive !
 
I never watch my replay's. I know they are beautiful but they get rather boring for me.

I agree with TokyoDrift, if you are set comparing GT5 with GT4 you will find ways to be disappointed. GT5 is the next step, at one point or another we have to accept the fact that it will do some things differently. I for one trust Kaz's road map for the series.
 
Cocomoto
Hope backfire and sparkles are in the game, really love watch replays of RX-7 Ammenya and Opel Astra Touring Car at Nurburing with these little details, it make the game so much more alive !
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Since they are in gt psp, im sure they are in.
 
mattbeddall
I know what your saying but its the same guy responsible for the beautiful GT4 in charge of GT5, so I think it will have the same attention to detail, maybe more so come release day! Fingers crossed lol
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This says everything.
 
Everything in GT4 is there by design and is there because someone decided it should be there, the same people will be making those decisions for GT5 which is why I'm not worried.
 
Comment deleted ...... Sorry ... I misunderstood your reference :)
 
Bandit6
I never watch my replay's. I know they are beautiful but they get rather boring for me.
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then you don't love cars so much. Sometimes I think that replays are more enjoyable than racing, lately if I play GT4 it's just for the replays, they are amazing, in my opinion also no game on other systems currently compares to GT4, the feeling of realism of replays when you watch them is unparalleled. Some say this is magic, the magic of Gran Turismo game.
 
Replays have always been Gran Turismo's crowning glory. No other console game looks so convincing in the way the cars behave, and the camera angles really are second to none (would be nice to choose which ones to use though, iirc there's usually about 3 "sets" which cycle as the laps tick by). Even with inferior graphics, these qualities would still remain.

Never has there been a series of games where the replays are so worth watching. I remember being amazed at split screen races watched full screen, that was a great touch.

30fps in the final thing would be a bit of a disappointment, though.
 
There isn't a problem with GT5 Vincent & to everyone here.I think everyone knows what is in the already latest sequel.Nothing to worry about people.
 
They don't have to be in the game, they are there because other people want them.
 


Topography? 👍 or 👎

I say 👍 It looks fine.
 
yeah the framerate of the replays in the Time Trial are a bit jittery thanks the 30fps, and I'm sure it's not locked at 30 either. It feels more like 20 in some areas :(

And that's with just one car.....
 
Cheers for the feedback guys.

I think the reason I'm worried about it so much is that GT5 has an all-new engine so I was just thinking have they still put in all the details GT4 had which should be viewable on a replay.

Prologue tracks are pretty smooth which didn't help matters either...even London seems reasonably flat in regards to topography.

Other effects I didn't mention but need to cross-over are:
- heat haze
- headlamp glare
- sparks

Don't remember seeing the last two in Prologue!

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Topography? 👍 or 👎

I say 👍 It looks fine.
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I've never seen this video before. Le Mans. Nice!

Also, topography = 👍
 
phil_2001
then you don't love cars so much.
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That is very rude of you to say. Who are you to tell someone they don't love cars, just because they don't love cars for the same reason you do?

I don't remember ever watching a GT replay, ever. Does that mean I don't love cars? No, it means I don't have enough time to look at the past and I should move on to the next race.
 
dave_sz
That is very rude of you to say. Who are you to tell someone they don't love cars, just because they don't love cars for the same reason you do?

I don't remember ever watching a GT replay, ever. Does that mean I don't love cars? No, it means I don't have enough time to look at the past and I should move on to the next race.
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Well said! I agree about his remark being very rude. I do not get what the big fuss is about replay mode, I have checked it out a couple of times and thought, oh, that's cool and went back to racing. I think 20fps would be just fine for replays and use the extra cpu power somewhere else.
 
cletus 669
Well said! I agree about his remark being very rude. I do not get what the big fuss is about replay mode, I have checked it out a couple of times and thought, oh, that's cool and went back to racing. I think 20fps would be just fine for replays and use the extra cpu power somewhere else.
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Eh! where else are you gonna use it?
 
cletus 669
I do not know anything about computers but I am sure there is a better place to use the extra resources.
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I can't think of anything that you'd need to process during replays other than the replays themselves and it's not like you can save up some cpu or gpu resources to use sometime later.
 
Stonemonkey
I can't think of anything that you'd need to process during replays other than the replays themselves and it's not like you can save up some cpu or gpu resources to use sometime later.
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Oh. Thanks for the layman explination for me, like I said "I know nothing about computers."
 
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