why is australia left out?
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Scaff
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TRD3 is a great game and does include some notable cars and tracks that most other games miss out, but achingly realistic is taking things just a little bit too far. The damage is some of the best in am game, but the driving physics still leave a lot to be desired.
Full thread on the game here
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=58983
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- GTP_xjr-9
To all those people who say that Bathurst is a great track:
Although Le Mans is on GT4, Bathurst cannot compare to seeing a grid of 50 cars roar across the start finish line at 4 o'clock in an afternoon.
Bathurst cannot compare to seeing cars roar through Tetre Rouge and blasting onto the Mulsanne Straight.
Bathurst cannot compare to seeing GT40's and 917's going through Indianapolis and Arnage.
Bathurst cannot compare to the silence of amazement as the cars cross the line at the start of the 24 Heures du Mans.
There aren't any Australian tracks because PD didn't put any in. You should be able to cope with what there is.
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Although Le Mans is on GT4, Bathurst cannot compare to seeing a grid of 50 cars roar across the start finish line at 4 o'clock in an afternoon.
Bathurst cannot compare to seeing cars roar through Tetre Rouge and blasting onto the Mulsanne Straight.
Bathurst cannot compare to seeing GT40's and 917's going through Indianapolis and Arnage.
Bathurst cannot compare to the silence of amazement as the cars cross the line at the start of the 24 Heures du Mans.
There aren't any Australian tracks because PD didn't put any in. You should be able to cope with what there is.
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You're talking more about the Le Mans 24 Hour race more than the actual track itself. In my view, Bathurst is a great track with its twists and climbs. Just because its not suited to LM cars does not make it a bad track. There are different horses for different courses.
PD is obviously prioritising the main markets here (Japan, USA and Europe) with its track selection.
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Gosh Scaff I thought I had done something wrong when I saw that you had replied to me! Admittedly TOCA3 isnt that amazing really it is a great game but as you said "achingly realistic" is taking it too far it is realistic if you turn gameplay to "real" but not achingly realistic it is just realistic. As you said the driving physics leave a lot to be desired. But we seem to both agree that the range of tracks is very good. especially as they have all the british track on (Apart from Cadwell and some others).
Thanks
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Hey I'm not that bad (am I).
I've always been a big fan of the TOCA series (even going back to the original Playstation games), but a few things have always bugged me (and not mainly the physics), principally the inability ti run whatever car on whatever track you want.
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Hey I'm not that bad (am I).
I've always been a big fan of the TOCA series (even going back to the original Playstation games), but a few things have always bugged me (and not mainly the physics), principally the inability ti run whatever car on whatever track you want.
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No your not that bad really youre just very scary (Your avatar also creeps me out don't know why though). Back to the subject. This is my second TOCA as I missed out the first TOCA and couldn't be bothered with TOCA2 (I am not on about the really old Touring car games focused on BTCC). What #I really wanted was it to be like TOCA which I borrowed off someone and I really like the fact that you could go to any track in any car. I can remember I was driving a really quick car with the rest of the opponents driving little old minis I drove the wrong way round and smashed them up it was great fun.
But thanks for not scolding me.
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You're saying he is 'retarded', when that's the best answer you can come up with?
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throttlehappy
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by no means but its the first thing that came to mind
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Which everyone is entitled to. I can see his point, i think that if you exclude people that follow a lot of racing and have an interest in it, then a lot more people will have heard of LeMan rather than say....Phillip Island.
All im saying is im gueesing it was for commercial reasons, i just dont think that Australian raciong is that well covered outside of Australia.
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I for one (aside from GT's influence) had no idea that Australia had its own marques. Now that I've found them, and am given the chance to drive them (virtually) I am impressed. The Fords, Holdens, FPV's are gnarly machines, to be sure. I would also like to experience courses like Bathurst, but unfortunately, aside from seeing the name mentioned in various threads like this one, I haven't even seen passing reference to it on TV, in car mags, or outside of international boards.
It's alright, though. The US and Germany didn't get that great of a showing in GT3, so there's hope for Australia in future titles of GT.
It's alright, though. The US and Germany didn't get that great of a showing in GT3, so there's hope for Australia in future titles of GT.
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I am a patriotic Australian and very proud of our great motor racing heritage, but we are a country of just 20 million people on a planet of 6 billion. I am not at all surprised that there are no Australian tracks in GT4. I am very surprised to find Australian cars.
That said, ask any professional racing driver with a very broad range of experience to name three great circuits in the world and there is a good chance he will name Bathurst.
I have raced there 6 times now and it is so far above and beyond anything else that i have ever done. I run out of superlatives!
That said, ask any professional racing driver with a very broad range of experience to name three great circuits in the world and there is a good chance he will name Bathurst.
I have raced there 6 times now and it is so far above and beyond anything else that i have ever done. I run out of superlatives!
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Of course he is entitled to an opinion but it was said so matter of factly that I was starting to wonder whether or not I was somehow wrong in my preference of watching a race at Bathurst as opposed to a race at Le Mans. I was getting worried that all these years I was looking forward to Bathurst all year and going there to watch the 1000km touring car race, the 24 hour race, the Easter 12 hour race, the Easter bike meetings or the championship rounds and I should have been looking forward to Le Mans instead. I was actually starting to get quite anxious so I pulled out a highlights video of Bathurst and a highlights video of Le Mans and watched both of them only to find that I really do prefer watching a race at Bathurst. I then became thoroughly confused until it dawned on me. It was his opinion he was trying to get across, not a fact, so in my post I just thought I should point this out for other users to save them from the same traumatic experience I had.
To save any confusion, the following is my opinion.
Le Mans cannot compare to seeing cars roar through McPhillamy Park onto Skyline and through the esses then blasting onto Conrod Straight.
Le Mans cannot compare to seeing GTHOs and XU-1s going through Griffin's Bend and The Cutting.
Le Mans cannot compare to the silence of amazement as the cars cross the line at the start of the Bathurst 1000.
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I totally agree with that.
Somewhere else, possibly somewhere on the GT5 board I said that PD were at Bathurst while Ford was filming the ad for the then new FPV GT before GT4 came out, so there is a possibility of it being included in GT5 but I won't be holding my breath.
Somewhere else, possibly somewhere on the GT5 board I said that PD were at Bathurst while Ford was filming the ad for the then new FPV GT before GT4 came out, so there is a possibility of it being included in GT5 but I won't be holding my breath.
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Bathurst is one of the worlds greatest circuits, if PD is going to expand the amount of 'real' tracks in it's games, then i should think that Mount Panorama will be very high on their list. PD have certainly shown a growing interest in Aussie muscle cars, so i guess that will be expanded in the future to have their natural enviroment too.
Other games, notably Codemaster's TOCA Race Driver series, already have a good representation of Bathurst so i should think that the circuits owners are more than happy to have their circuit represented digitally.
Other games, notably Codemaster's TOCA Race Driver series, already have a good representation of Bathurst so i should think that the circuits owners are more than happy to have their circuit represented digitally.
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Bathurst is probably the best track on TOCA Race Driver. It's annoying that they don't that you race at Bathurst in more series. Saying this, there are not many other Australian tracks I particularly like. Surfer's Paradise is a good concept and Eastern Creek is alright, but I couldn't care for most the others.
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bathurst can easily compare to that with the V8's blasting out of forest elbow down conrod flat out.
but le mans cannot compare to a group of 30+ V8's roaring up a mountain
Le mans cannot compare to trying to take reid park and trying to carry it through to mcphilliamy park.
le mans doesnt compare to going over skyline and getting an entire view of NSW.
le mans doesnt compare to getting 2 wheels off the ground going down the dipper on 2 wheels(although it could be argued mercedes have beaten that twice in the past)
and when was the last time there was an exciting le mans finish like these?
le mans lost its soul when the FIA decided to stick 2 sets of tyre walls down the Mulsanne Straight where as bathurst managed to come up with the chase which still retained alot of the excitment.
also jacky ickx found a V8 racer much scarier to drive than any of his Le Mans or F1 cars
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Those cars sound a lot like the Super Latemodels that race here on the oval at Irwindale Speedway in california. Really cool.
But I think PD like everyone is mentioning needs to match car count with track count. Variety is what keeps people racing the game for years to come, and its what brings people to buy the game in the first place.
But I think PD like everyone is mentioning needs to match car count with track count. Variety is what keeps people racing the game for years to come, and its what brings people to buy the game in the first place.
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Well said Holden. Both those races were teary moments for me.
Not just Jackie Ickx but many others including Andrea Montermini, Derek Warwick, John Cleland, Tommy Kendall, Klaus Niedzwiedz, Scott Pruett, John Fitzpatrick, all great drivers, all have said how awe inspiring it was to race at Bathurst. On an observation lap with co-driver Peter Brock, Warwick asked how many heart attacks one person could have in a day after going across Skyline and down into The Esses.
Not just Jackie Ickx but many others including Andrea Montermini, Derek Warwick, John Cleland, Tommy Kendall, Klaus Niedzwiedz, Scott Pruett, John Fitzpatrick, all great drivers, all have said how awe inspiring it was to race at Bathurst. On an observation lap with co-driver Peter Brock, Warwick asked how many heart attacks one person could have in a day after going across Skyline and down into The Esses.
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I lived in Bathurst for a couple of years and drove a few laps of Mt Panorma (regretably at legal speeds - it is a public road most of the time and people live there). Coming off the top of the moutain feels like driving off a cliff, you can't see anything (except sky and horizon) until about 30 m from the dropoff - at 80 km/h it gets the heart going - I can only guess what 150+ feels like. Great track - I just hope next time we get some early 70s australian cars to race there (especially the XU-1, GTHO-III and E49 - the last of the true australian muscle cars, all sadly killed off by a government hell bent on stopping people killing themselves - what were they thinking?: would have loved to see an XU-2 vs. GTHO-IV - perhaps PD could let us have those too?).
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I'd wet my pants if a game was released with XU-1 Toranas, GTHO Falcons and E49 Chargers, but i don't know about the commercial viability of adding these cars to a particular game when they were unique to a country of just 20 million people.
Does anyone on this forum work in game design and creation and know what it would cost per unit to add these cars?
Does anyone on this forum work in game design and creation and know what it would cost per unit to add these cars?
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There was some talk on the GT5 forums that said it takes 6 programmer months to create a car. This was in dispute and I don't know the outcome - whatever it is it is :censored:loads. I think we have two chances of getting any of these cars in the game - Buckley's and none - so I am not holding my breath. Perhaps GT6.
