You just further my point. AWDs are harder to break traction, which is what drifting is in the first place. My whole post, which you seem to completely misunderstood, is pointing out how hard it is to make AWDs act close to RWDs. Is it not ironic when people like you mention that RWDs are harder to drift, yet everybody out there is trying to make every AWDs act like RWDs? If you take it literally, that's like trying to make it harder to drift the car. If you think AWDs are so easy, try the HKS EVO, and drift that thing properly. And grow up. I can drift just fine and there's nothing mental about me. I know what I said (as do LR-SWD-007), and there's nothing to regret. It seems kadoimmortal is the only person here that I can relate to. The way I see it is that it's best to master RWD drifting before you can drift AWDs (properly), because all the techniques you learned from initiating a RWD drift are more heavily emphasized in AWD drifts. The only thing easy about AWD is once you get the drift going... But even that is a process of its own because AWDs can't be drifted with stock settings like RWDs, otherwise the drift can't be held for very long. I will also agree that tandems can be a mismatch with AWDs and RWDs, but there are some AWDs out there that "can" tandem with RWDs. The gripe I have with this whole thing is that AWDs must be an absolute ban. I'm also the type of person that don't care what device he/she is using or whatever advantage the other person has. If he/she can tandem with me and my friends just fine, he/she is welcome anytime. Competition is another thing.