Why is most of the GTPlanet community so Un-Grateful?

[TheBlueHusky]

The OP needs to join the Need For Speed World forums, honestly compared to them, the GTPlanet community is a utopia

 

[eran0004]

I wouldn't say "most the community". The thing with the internet is that people only bother to post their opinions when they're pissed about something, which means that all you'll see is the negative stuff while all the happy people remain silent.

 

[GT6mebe]

I agree with the eran. The internet is mostly a negative place in terms of opinion. Its an informative place but also negative.

However, as others have said before, what is funny and annoying to some extent is that it is the same people who always complain or whine or nitpick.....and if you pay close attention you can easily identify these people. It is this vocal minority that just seems to "hate" on the game. Criticism is fine....it does not even have to be constructive but when you start saying the same thing over and over again you start to lose effect (or it).

Whats even more funny is that these people are also avid fans of that other game. Hmmmmmm....

 

[Vaxxtx]

I agree with the eran. The internet is mostly a negative place in terms of opinion. Its an informative place but also negative.

However, as others have said before, what is funny and annoying to some extent is that it is the same people who always complain or whine or nitpick.....and if you pay close attention you can easily identify these people. It is this vocal minority that just seems to "hate" on the game. Criticism is fine....it does not even have to be constructive but when you start saying the same thing over and over again you start to lose effect (or it).

Whats even more funny is that these people are also avid fans of that other game. Hmmmmmm....

Yeah...because if someone is a fan of another game, they shouldnt be allowed to talk about GT5. Hmmm...indeed.

Seems many fans of GT5 just have a hard time facing glaring issues with the game. Some people seem to be in just plain denial. Such as defending taking away seasonals of an already limited A-Spec. Or saying the sounds are good. OR saying the tire wear is just fine now.

So again...Hmmm

 

[tinram]

because we are all a bunch of Scrooges, bah humbug!

... and a Merry Christmas to all.

 

[TCSdisable]

Seriously people... try not to forget what Kaz and his crew went through earlier in the year! You people are so hard on PD and it is Shameful!! Grow up and act like decent human beings! At least for the Holidays!
These people work their asses off for us all year long, then I come to see how everyone is in the Forums and it's all just S**t Talk!
Be thankful that you got anything! Stop acting like American Politicians!! "MORE, MORE, MORE!!! GIVE IT TO ME!!!!"
This is a better community than that!
Thank You Kaz, PD and Jordan!
Happy Holidays Everyone!

This simple, If Kaz is God, them here is Crunch

(This could apply all official or un-official situation and organization existed in this world)

 

[GT6mebe]

Yeah...because if someone is a fan of another game, they shouldnt be allowed to talk about GT5. Hmmm...indeed.

Seems many fans of GT5 just have a hard time facing glaring issues with the game. Some people seem to be in just plain denial. Such as defending taking away seasonals of an already limited A-Spec. Or saying the sounds are good. OR saying the tire wear is just fine now.

So again...Hmmm

I never said that did I. I am just making some observations feel free to interpret them as you like

 

[DEATHSARTHE]

It's not the GTP community, but I think its gamers all together. Its a sign of the times, where game companies can now change their games instantly through DLC, patches, and updates based off customer feedback.

I mean if you think GTP community is bad, you should look over WoW's forums... my god.. those people are ruthless and because of this, WoW has gone under the knife an endless amount of times and will continue to go under the knife until they finally end it. BUT its Blizzard's ability to address feedback so quickly that they're able to hold on to their 11 million subs.

I can't help feel that GT5 has one of the larger online communities (for a car based game, anyway) and one of the many reasons why is because PD does listen to the feedback and often updates/patches the game and released DLC... they're constantly working and they're actively listening to their audience. When that happens, people will complain about ANYTHING.

 

[Rudenut]

It's not the GTP community, but I think its gamers all together. Its a sign of the times, where game companies can now change their games instantly through DLC, patches, and updates based off customer feedback.

I mean if you think GTP community is bad, you should look over WoW's forums... my god.. those people are ruthless and because of this, WoW has gone under the knife an endless amount of times and will continue to go under the knife until they finally end it. BUT its Blizzard's ability to address feedback so quickly that they're able to hold on to their 11 million subs.

I can't help feel that GT5 has one of the larger online communities (for a car based game, anyway) and one of the many reasons why is because PD does listen to the feedback and often updates/patches the game and released DLC... they're constantly working and they're actively listening to their audience. When that happens, people will complain about ANYTHING.

Essentially what I stated a few pages back. PD has been updating the game and fixing many things. I love this. They are new to the party though, and have a ways to go.

Interaction with the community is the next step. Developers of online games have community liasons who reply to user concerns and give insight to the direction of the game. They also give definative negatives for features that will never be included. These guys respond to actual threads in forums and are part of the conversation. Too much secrecy leads to rampant speculation and elevated expectations.

 

[Vaxxtx]

It's not the GTP community, but I think its gamers all together. Its a sign of the times, where game companies can now change their games instantly through DLC, patches, and updates based off customer feedback.

I mean if you think GTP community is bad, you should look over WoW's forums... my god.. those people are ruthless and because of this, WoW has gone under the knife an endless amount of times and will continue to go under the knife until they finally end it. BUT its Blizzard's ability to address feedback so quickly that they're able to hold on to their 11 million subs.

I can't help feel that GT5 has one of the larger online communities (for a car based game, anyway) and one of the many reasons why is because PD does listen to the feedback and often updates/patches the game and released DLC... they're constantly working and they're actively listening to their audience. When that happens, people will complain about ANYTHING.

Who exactally are they listening to? It comes down to personal taste. For instance some people are jumping for joy because the pace cars lights work. Was it really....I mean really a huge issue? Yet leaderboards are still a no-go. Just one example, but what would make better sense for a car game? I do have to say Spa was a great addition, but too many other overlooked or ignored areas are ridiculous.

Its always one step forward and two steps back. To top it all off, I still dont see why people think PD is putting in "extra" work. All these updates should have been made a long time ago, not starting big updates/dlc when FM4 came out.

Interaction with the community is the next step. Developers of online games have community liasons who reply to user concerns and give insight to the direction of the game. They also give definative negatives for features that will never be included. These guys respond to actual threads in forums and are part of the conversation. Too much secrecy leads to rampant speculation and elevated expectations.

And here is the big issue. The fact that Kaz doesnt speak English is a big obstacle. The fact he thinks he knows what people want more than they do. The fact he is so biased towards Japanese it seems to exclude other parts of the worlds flavor. All of this adds up to head scratching updates, and dumbfounded decisions.

I like the fact the "other" car game are at least upfront with whats going on. They dont promised things and then 1/2 deliver or dont deliver at all. If Sony wont ditch Kaz/PD, then they need to teach them how to communicate with the end user...and not just the ones that speak Japanese.

 

[GT6mebe]

Who exactally are they listening to? It comes down to personal taste. For instance some people are jumping for joy because the pace cars lights work. Was it really....I mean really a huge issue? Yet leaderboards are still a no-go. Just one example, but what would make better sense for a car game? I do have to say Spa was a great addition, but too many other overlooked or ignored areas are ridiculous.

Well theres your answer....I doubt it took an hour to make those lights work so there is no loss in time but is those little things that sometimes make people happy.

Its always one step forward and two steps back. To top it all off, I still dont see why people think PD is putting in "extra" work. All these updates should have been made a long time ago, not starting big updates/dlc when FM4 came out.

Really. What about those 12 updates before Spec 2 Guess they were no "work" at all.

It would be great if you could name another developer that does racing games or heck even console games that continues to support GT5 as much as PD. Some say its because GT5 was unfinished....yes they have a point but I think its because Kaz actually cares about his fans.

If you have seen videos of PD's workplace during the development time....they had a board were it would show who is sleeping at their desk.

And here is the big issue. The fact that Kaz doesnt speak English is a big obstacle. The fact he thinks he knows what people want more than they do. The fact he is so biased towards Japanese it seems to exclude other parts of the worlds flavor. All of this adds up to head scratching updates, and dumbfounded decisions.

I am sorry but this sounds really arrogant. GT is Kazunori's vision, it is his dream or ambition. Yes he does acknowledge the fans, but the minute KY no longer has his own input in the game I think GT will no longer be GT. I do not want KY listening to fans for everything. Let him surprise us because he sure has in the past (positively).

KY has also acknowledged their being to many Japanese cars and your last sentence is pure opinion.

I like the fact the "other" car game are at least upfront with whats going on. They dont promised things and then 1/2 deliver or dont deliver at all. If Sony wont ditch Kaz/PD, then they need to teach them how to communicate with the end user...and not just the ones that speak Japanese.

Really. I seem them saying that the sim steering mode had no assists....we all know how that turned out.

In my opinion the reason that game as you say does not promise then not deliver is to be honest because they do not have that much to deliver at all.

 

[Vaxxtx]

Well theres your answer....I doubt it took an hour to make those lights work so there is no loss in time but is those little things that sometimes make people happy.

Thats my point. One little thing fixed that should have worked all along. Yet leaderboards were promised, and would be a great addition, yet not even talked about.

Really. What about those 12 updates before Spec 2 Guess they were no "work" at all.

It would be great if you could name another developer that does racing games or heck even console games that continues to support GT5 as much as PD. Some say its because GT5 was unfinished....yes they have a point but I think its because Kaz actually cares about his fans.

If you have seen videos of PD's workplace during the development time....they had a board were it would show who is sleeping at their desk.

Like that is a good thing? Its not uncomman at all for software devs to do this. I worked for a software company that had a bunk room for the programmers. Its nothing special for PD.



I am sorry but this sounds really arrogant. GT is Kazunori's vision, it is his dream or ambition. Yes he does acknowledge the fans, but the minute KY no longer has his own input in the game I think GT will no longer be GT. I do not want KY listening to fans for everything. Let him surprise us because he sure has in the past (positively).

After going from GT1-4 and then playing 5, might be better for someone else to step in.

KY has also acknowledged their being to many Japanese cars and your last sentence is pure opinion.

Of course its opinion. Shared by many others. But also, he admits too many Japanese cars, yet nothing has been done about it. Please dont tell me the 2 VW's is a cure for this...




Really. I seem them saying that the sim steering mode had no assists....we all know how that turned out.

Yes, we do. It got fixed within weeks 👍

In my opinion the reason that game as you say does not promise then not deliver is to be honest because they do not have that much to deliver at all.

Last line makes no sense. They delivered on everything stated, which is alot. Things that were not going to make it, were also stated. What was delivered was a great game without the missing of 1/2 baked features unlike how GT5 currently, after a year, still needs updates.

 

[Duck]

A lot of OT. I'd like to answer the question of OP.

Answer: imho because every 10 people we have 2 unhappy for each 1 enthusiastic (and this because GT5 is a masterpiece with... a lot of issues), and 7 who care about losing time crying about how this game is good or bad and just play, or do better things. It's well know also that unhappy people do a lot much of noise than happy folks.

 

[CSLACR]

A lot of OT. I'd like to answer the question of OP.

Answer: imho because every 10 people we have 2 unhappy for each 1 enthusiastic (and this because GT5 is a masterpiece with... a lot of issues), and 7 who care about losing time crying about how this game is good or bad and just play, or do better things. It's well know also that unhappy people do a lot much of noise than happy folks.

I think those are good points, if I actually understand it..

But the bigger issue is that the OP, among many, mistakes valid complaints with "ungratefulness".
Just because we don't all see puppy dogs and rainbows and praise the almighty Kaz after every update regardless of how much we don't like it, or the bugs that come with it, actually doesn't mean ungrateful.

 

[E28]

It always seems that people hype themselves (and each other) up, resulting in ridiculously high expectations which are never met...

 

[CSLACR]

It always seems that people hype themselves (and each other) up, resulting in ridiculously high expectations which are never met...

That is true, like the people that started talking about "new wheels" for standards. No clue where anyone got that idea from, didn't make any sense if you ask me.

I'm disappointed only because the online was wrecked 3-4 weeks ago with server "maintenance", and I was really hoping they'd fix that with the maintenance from the update, but they did not.

GT5 continues to be "back of the pack" when it comes to online functionality. it started with GT4 not having it at all, GT5P's was option-less, and now GT5's just doesn't work well unless you consult an IT professional for so many people, it's flat out pathetic.

If there's one thing GT5 needs fixed, it's online play, and that's the one area they seem to continue to ignore the most.
Why would I be grateful? I want to play online, after all.

 

[FastOldHippy]

Seriously people... try not to forget what Kaz and his crew went through earlier in the year! You people are so hard on PD and it is Shameful!! Grow up and act like decent human beings! At least for the Holidays!
These people work their asses off for us all year long, then I come to see how everyone is in the Forums and it's all just S**t Talk!
Be thankful that you got anything! Stop acting like American Politicians!! "MORE, MORE, MORE!!! GIVE IT TO ME!!!!"
This is a better community than that!
Thank You Kaz, PD and Jordan!
Happy Holidays Everyone!

Well, what can I say but kids are so fickle these days....

 

[urmie]

To answer the title, welcome to forums on the internet. Isn't this why forums exist? Would they be popular if every single opinion was happy about everything. You're easy to please.

Why can't opposing opinions be posted without it being referring to as being "whiney or ungrateful"? I would say, changes happen BECAUSE of these types of criticisms.
As consumers, everyone has their right to opinion.

One thing I don't like seeing is when someone says on here we should be "grateful" about something when it comes to companies, which on their end isn't done out of their "good hearts", there is always a purpose to things. This clearly demonstrates to me you have no sense of the business world.

Then again if any of you worked in the real world, you would know there will always be corporate butt-kissers.

To sum up: It's kinda like hot women. Everyone compliments them to a point of ego, then someone comes along and tells it like it is. She doesn't listen to the crowd, she takes notice of that 1 critic.

If Kaz listens, he listens to everybody but takes notice of the critics, afterall if this was YOUR product, wouldn't you do the same?

 

[ajns73]

That is true, like the people that started talking about "new wheels" for standards. No clue where anyone got that idea from, didn't make any sense if you ask me.

I'm disappointed only because the online was wrecked 3-4 weeks ago with server "maintenance", and I was really hoping they'd fix that with the maintenance from the update, but they did not.

GT5 continues to be "back of the pack" when it comes to online functionality. it started with GT4 not having it at all, GT5P's was option-less, and now GT5's just doesn't work well unless you consult an IT professional for so many people, it's flat out pathetic.

If there's one thing GT5 needs fixed, it's online play, and that's the one area they seem to continue to ignore the most.
Why would I be grateful? I want to play online, after all.

This may point to the heart of the matter. The fact is that regardless of what this game is called or how a non-player would conceive of it, it is many things to many people among those that actually play it. For me, the last 2 updates were great. However, I am a collector first, racer second (as I have realized over the past few months). I couldn't care less about racing online, but I sure would be ticked off if I couldn't trade cars, gear, etc.

In the end, a blanket statement about anyone who voices an opinion about an update is counterproductive. There are too many variables to objectively determine the true value of one update over another. I can find just as many "collectors" that think the last two updates were spot on as someone else can find "online racers" that are still upset about the state of online racing. What is very easy to determine is what constitutes the proper way to voice an opinion and how one should comport themselves in public. In this regard, there have been transgressions on both sides of the argument. I have no quarrel with someone who voices a reasoned complaint about an update. I do have a problem with folks who go all out in one direction or another either demonizing or deifying GT5, PD, or Kaz himself and do so without regard for good sense or decorum.

I also don't care for people who state opinion as objective fact. It may seem like a semantic argument, but it really rubs me the wrong way when people say "What PD should do is X instead of X." I'd much rather read, "I wish that PD had done X," or "If it was me, I would do X." Part of the reason some threads degenerate is precisely because of this sort of thing.

 

[fps_christian]

Because probably 1/2 of the members are underage, thus have never driven a car before.

This car doesn't handel anything like in real life, GT5 is so bad!

Shut up fool, go drive your mom's minivan.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I usually refrain from posting here, but...

Isn't GT5 a product like any other? One that's being purchased by the customers and developed, produced and sold by a company? I mean, I am working my butt off to keep our customers happy. Because that's what I'm getting paid for. Because it's my job.

Did I miss something, or isn't that PD's job and didn't all of us who purchased GT5 express our "gratitude" by paying for it? But, that's just my opinion and probably the only thing I'll ever say about this.

So, good day to you guys.

Exactly ^

I guess criticism isn't a form of bettering oneself or endeavor. Gee those self centered complainers what right do they have to complain, it's not like they didn't put money forth on a hyped product that upon release wasn't exactly what was talked about. Now I don't see why people can complain now, cause PD have given us what for the most part was asked of. And with the rims on any car now, and the paint for them people should be quite happy.

Also the same effect works for you people complaining, it's quite funny because we have those that are here complaining about the complainers and it's quite ironic. Then you have those who hate the disappointment threads, if you don't like them ignore them, same goes for those who don't like these threads.

Also I love the politician bit from the OP, not sure that Civics course you took way back when computes to people who complain about GT5. Not sure how Gt5 complainers and Politicians go hand and hand.

Actually, complaining about complaining doesn't improve the game. CSLACR is right--"complaints" pointed out issues, which result in a better game for everyone. In any event, everyone's got an equal right to say what they want on GTP, so long as they stay within the forum rules.

Anyway, I don't think someone can be "ungrateful" for something they pay for...

Exactly my point.

It's simple. The complainers are on here complaining. The people who are grateful are on GT5 enjoying what they've been given.

By that logic most of the post here shouldn't be since I've seen more happy for Gt5 rather than those not happy.

Proof?
You must have inside information. Kaz said last year the he felt the game was unfinished and planned updates.

I agree with the OP. It would be nice if the complainers would keep it to the feedback section. When I first saw the "Disapointment 2.02" thread, I just calmy thought "Are you kidding me?" I'm 34 years old and just completely exhausted of all the crying in this beautiful world we live in. Life is too short.

You too must have inside info, to say the reverse that complaining wasn't a reason for patches and DLC.
Kaz said alot of things like there'd be no DLC as well last year, oh but look at what we have now. People do have a way of going back on what they say and doing the opposite, he may have said he was going to do updates but to what nth degree or product in those updates may have been influenced by people criticizing/wanting/asking. PD has come out and said that it was due to the fans that DLC and spec 2 were made and released, so it's probably a safe bet to say that if the fans content with the game are supposedly to busy playing to complain then what do you have left? The people criticizing and wanting more function and freedom in the game they were promised and now given.

Well that is the idealist approach, then there is the realist approach, the world isn't that beautiful and if it was then you wouldn't have to ask for it. Being passive and just letting things be the way they are with no innovation isn't very productive, but I have the feeling that you and I will disagree about that.

I think I'll keep my criticism since that is what makes things better from products to countries and onward.

 

[Vaxxtx]

Because probably 1/2 of the members are underage, thus have never driven a car before.

This car doesn't handel anything like in real life, GT5 is so bad!

Shut up fool, go drive your mom's minivan.

Such a great contribution. Why even post?

.....

Good post. Too much logic though

 

[ajns73]

This whole thread begs a larger question about the development of games today versus the pre-patch era. I don't want to hijack the thread, but how many developers rush titles to market now knowing that they have a patch delivery system that can turn what used to be a FINAL release on disc into one last beta test? You could definitely argue that GT5 should not have had this issue as Prologue should have been enough of a last beta, but this issue has come up time and again with regard to many titles on many forums lately.

 

[Vaxxtx]

This whole thread begs a larger question about the development of games today versus the pre-patch era. I don't want to hijack the thread, but how many developers rush titles to market now knowing that they have a patch delivery system that can turn what used to be a FINAL release on disc into one last beta test? You could definitely argue that GT5 should not have had this issue as Prologue should have been enough of a last beta, but this issue has come up time and again with regard to many titles on many forums lately.

It has been the norm for years now. I do not see it changing anytime soon. It started on PC quite a ways back, and now its all over.

Its good and bad. Great that bugs could be patched out, and features added. Bad that it makes QC less extentensive.

There are still companies that release solid games, and kill any missed bugs shortly after release. I have to say FM4 release was good and solid and the one huge bug with the assist steering got fixed in good time. Then you have a game like Shift2 that was unplayble with a wheel at release. 2 patches later, and it still has game breaking bugs (except on PC that had a 3rd patch AND a community made one), and then all support was pulled.

In a nutshell, DLC and patches are comman place now, and will be here for a looong time to come.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

It has been the norm for years now. I do not see it changing anytime soon. It started on PC quite a ways back, and now its all over.

Its good and bad. Great that bugs could be patched out, and features added. Bad that it makes QC less extentensive.

There are still companies that release solid games, and kill any missed bugs shortly after release. I have to say FM4 release was good and solid and the one huge bug with the assist steering got fixed in good time. Then you have a game like Shift2 that was unplayble with a wheel at release. 2 patches later, and it still has game breaking bugs (except on PC that had a 3rd patch AND a community made one), and then all support was pulled.

In a nutshell, DLC and patches are comman place now, and will be here for a looong time to come.

I agree with you two, because GT5 should have been a complete rendition and not the half fledged game that was what GT5P was for obvious reasons. However I agree the patches have squashed many bugs in GT5 and helped it get closer to the full fledged game. I just don't think you can kill all the bugs in any game. For all the bugs you kill that many more arise it seems. Vaxxtx makes great points and I agree that patches are here to stay good or bad.

 

[Scaff]

Because probably 1/2 of the members are underage, thus have never driven a car before.

This car doesn't handel anything like in real life, GT5 is so bad!

Shut up fool, go drive your mom's minivan.

What about the ones with decades of experience within the motor industry itself who still feel GT5 needs work in the physics area and have a number of issues with the game.

Are we fools that should shut up as well?

(that's aside from the AUP and the minor point of not attacking any individual or group - something you may wish to re-read).


Scaff

 

[ConRollins]

Seriously people... try not to forget what Kaz and his crew went through earlier in the year! You people are so hard on PD and it is Shameful!! Grow up and act like decent human beings! At least for the Holidays!
These people work their asses off for us all year long, then I come to see how everyone is in the Forums and it's all just S**t Talk!
Be thankful that you got anything! Stop acting like American Politicians!! "MORE, MORE, MORE!!! GIVE IT TO ME!!!!"
This is a better community than that!
Thank You Kaz, PD and Jordan!
Happy Holidays Everyone!

Because that's what these boards are for!!!! If we all spent all day wiping the brown off our noses, we really wouldn't need this forum would we?

 

[omgitsbees]

Seriously people... try not to forget what Kaz and his crew went through earlier in the year! You people are so hard on PD and it is Shameful!! Grow up and act like decent human beings! At least for the Holidays!
These people work their asses off for us all year long, then I come to see how everyone is in the Forums and it's all just 🤬 Talk!
Be thankful that you got anything! Stop acting like American Politicians!! "MORE, MORE, MORE!!! GIVE IT TO ME!!!!"
This is a better community than that!
Thank You Kaz, PD and Jordan!
Happy Holidays Everyone!

If Gran Turismo 5 was free, I would agree with you. But it wasn't, we all had to pay money for it. Polyphony Digital is a corporation, that provides a product, and is looking to make a profit. In the business world, you meet the wants and even the demands of your customer base or you go under. Polyphony Digital understands this and I guarantee you they are paying far more attention to the people who are giving them feedback, and ignoring the ones (such as yourself) who are just kissing their rear ends, because that doesn't tell them anything. They know their game needs a lot of work still, Kaz has admitted as much, multiple times now. Feedback has been what has driven GT5s updates for the last year.

You come off as very immature, getting this worked up and angry over other peoples opinions.

 

[ajns73]

I agree with you two, because GT5 should have been a complete rendition and not the half fledged game that was what GT5P was for obvious reasons. However I agree the patches have squashed many bugs in GT5 and helped it get closer to the full fledged game. I just don't think you can kill all the bugs in any game. For all the bugs you kill that many more arise it seems. Vaxxtx makes great points and I agree that patches are here to stay good or bad.

This is definitely a lot more true than people think. We all like to think that the developers of a game have complete control over every minute detail in the coding. However, I have learned over the past few years that the Butterfly Effect bites these guys a lot more than even they would like to admit. Close one hole and you might inadvertently open another that on paper or in testing didn't seem there, but some kid in Omaha goofing around finds it accidentally and in flood the rest to exploit it. I think, more often than not, developers have good intentions. However, the road to hell and all.

 

[xxDingerxx]

If there's one thing GT5 needs fixed, it's online play, and that's the one area they seem to continue to ignore the most.
Why would I be grateful? I want to play online, after all.

Have you been reading from a different set of patch notes from the rest of us?

Online is the area they ignore the most?. Funny as I'd say its GT Life thats mostly gone untouched. Do you see mech damage in GT Life mode...Only if you do practice laps.

Do you see user defined races in GT Life?. MIA.

All the options that came with GT5 and included in the updates, have been reserved for either online or arcade modes. If GT Life gets anything, you can guarantee its sloppy seconds.

Not great when its always been GT's core component since the series started. When I want to have a good race, GT Life is the last place i'll look now.

Yet, do I whinge about it every 5 minutes, no. I say my piece and hope PD hears and talk about the things in GT5 we can enjoy instead of bringing doom & gloom