Why So Many Vettel Haters?

[Crushed]

I like Sebastian Vettel AND red bull racing. I think many people dont like him maybe because the same reason they dont like veyrons? (I also love veyrons but you know what i mean... i cant count how many times ive seen the word "gayron")

 

[spyrrari]

Sometimes when i read these threads i am wondering if people really know the meaning of the word "hate "....

I could write a long story about why,but i probably shouldn't...but if some of you would actually know anything about what happened in the world the last thousands of years(and still now...!!!)because of what this word really means...well...watch the news or read some history books!!!!

Anyway,i really don't like Vettel...but i do think he's an exceptionall driver!!




spy.

 

[zippy_the_cat]

That is a hoot.

 

[dudedo]

I'm not saying Vettel is a bad driver, he might even be the best, but with his car being so fast, it just gets annoying that we can't really see how good others are against him because he has such a good car.

My biggest problem is that I nobody can really hate Red Bull for making a car better than its competition. In fact, we should all be applauding them, but we don't, because we're all bad people who hate Red Bull.

GO McLaren!!!

 

[Pezzarinho17]

The guy is flawless at the moment. The Red Bull may be the best car, but he has dominated a season in which his team mate in the same machinary has not had a single win.... Worst result is 4th which tells you everything about his consistency and ability to extract everything available to him. I would have liked a closer championship, but he fully deserves the title and has not done anything contraversial to get here either. Plus the individual racing has kept us entertained when the championship has been done and dusted all year.

Now if we could just get him at McLaren...

 

[Saidur_Ali]

I'm no hater. He might win the 3rd title on the bounce given what Adrian Newey has recently said.

http://www.yallaf1.com/2011/10/05/newey-next-years-rb8-will-amaze-everyone/

Rocketship number 4 coming right up for Vettel to decimate the competition in 2012...

 

[Hun200kmh]

Sometimes when i read these threads i am wondering if people really know the meaning of the word "hate "....

I could write a long story about why,but i probably shouldn't...but if some of you would actually know anything about what happened in the world the last thousands of years(and still now...!!!)because of what this word really means...well...watch the news or read some history books!!!!

Anyway,i really don't like Vettel...but i do think he's an exceptionall driver!!




spy.

Hello spy. Don't worry much about the sanity and good nature of posters of this forum, apparently English natives use the word "hate" very lightly, I also learned that a couple of years ago, here:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=3274837#post3274837


PS - I wonder what word they use to signify what I (and you, it seems) think "hate" is.

 

[Ardius]

I'd say there are two meanings for hate, or at least there are two different strengths of using it. People commonly say that they "hate" particular types of food, but they obviously don't normally mean it in the strong sense of the word. They don't normally have a hatred for apples! It tends to get used a lot these days, especially now with this internet thing with "haters gonna hate" becoming popular.

But there are times when people really mean "hate" in the stronger sense. How to distinguish between when people are describing a strong hatred or describing a simple dislike is a tough question. On the internet, with just text, its pretty much impossible without having to ask.
But I'd say here its clear its meant in a light-hearted manner due to the way posts have been worded.

I hope that helps explain it a bit better.

Besides, even native english speakers feel its a strong word:

Hate is the wrong word. I am British, so support Lewis, Jenson and Paul. This means that I'd prefer them too win. He just needs to let others get close.

As do I, I doubt there are many "Vettel haters" though there probably are a fair few people who dislike Vettel for whatever reason.

Perhaps I would also say that for a lot of native english speakers, the use of the word "hate" is being used so often these days that its starting to have a lighter and lighter meaning. I guess the only way to really get across true hatred of something these days is to use some emphasis such as "I really hate X" or "I hate X so much that I....".

 

[ZEROX]

I have no problem at all with him, it's the dominance of Red Bull at the moment which is killing the sport for me. Don't get me wrong I love to watch middle of the pack battles going on, but I would like to see other teams competing at the front. Notice how Vettel gets hardly any coverage during the race because he has nobody to compete with?

Indeed because the car was like none other the other team have plus this young man is legit.

So i guess that sum up all of it. It's not him to blame with. Seriously.

On the topic, i've no problem with Seb either way around.
Though it may be a bit boring to see him win all race but hey, if other can't do the win, they're to blame.

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

He's young, successful, dominating the championship and there's a great threat of doing it in future years, paired with great skill. What's not to hate?

 

[F1 fan]

Hate is the wrong word. I am British, so support Lewis, Jenson and Paul. This means that I'd prefer them too win. He just needs to let others get close.

I am British and I support neither of those three. Though I do like Jenson and Paul.

People can't accept that he is the best driver doing the best job so make excuses why their favourite drivers (usually Hamilton) are so far behind by saying Vettel: just has the best car (ignoring Webber can't touch him),He can't overtake (Yes he can, look at Spain this year and what he did to Alonso at Monza, all without taking anybody out the race) Red Bull help him by not letting Webber beat him (even though team orders have only been used once this season and Webber ignored them anyway), Red Bull are cheating (no their wing doesn't flex too much and they haven't spent too much). Another thing is that people are so obsessed with history they can't accept that there could possibly be a 24 year old better than Senna.

Well said.

Vettel and Webber may use the same car, but it doesn't mean they are using the same set up. 👍

Then that would be Webber's fault. Unless you actually think Red Bull are sabotaging Webber? If they were, do you think Webber would stay quiet about it? No. Mark is very outspoken and would use that to his advantage.

The ONLY reason why sports exist today is for the entertainment.
Without a good fight for the lead, there is no entertainment.
Granted their are plenty of mid-pack battles, but there is still always a single-man who likes to point fingers that wins.
Formula 1 has become a race for second place.

And that is everyone's fault, except Vettel's. You can't expect him to slow down, so others can catch up. Fact is, no one has had an answer for him this year. At least not consistently.

 

[Anghammarad]

I don't hate Vettel. I don't even dislike him very much except for the "Woooohoooo! That's what I'm talking about" and the finger of course. I do, however, fear the day when he can overtake as good as he can hotlap (No, once in an entire season at Monza does not make you a passing master) because then we are in for some very boring years in F1.

 

[F1 fan]

I don't hate Vettel. I don't even dislike him very much except for the "Woooohoooo! That's what I'm talking about" and the finger of course. I do, however, fear the day when he can overtake as good as he can hotlap (No, once in an entire season at Monza does not make you a passing master) because then we are in for some very boring years in F1.

You are clearly mistaken. While he hasn't been throwing out impressive passing manouevers left, right and centre, he has thrown in a decent amount of overtakes this season. And while on the subject of Monza, it was refreshing to see a calm Lewis Hamilton after the race. Not complaining about Schumacher forcing him onto the grass. Perhaps he remembers a very similar move he did to Glock at Monza in 2008. And it was very wet in 2008.

 

[Anghammarad]

You are clearly mistaken. While he hasn't been throwing out impressive passing manouevers left, right and centre, he has thrown in a decent amount of overtakes this season.

Oh come now. You cannot deny that he is without doubt the least confident when it comes to overtaking of the top five drivers. The fact that so many lauds him for the pass on Alonso at Monza just proves the point. That was a pass that any of the other four big names pull off in almost every race but Vettel manage one in a season so therefore it is a big thing.


Yes he has been in front mostly this season and therefore not needed to pass many times but anyone with an objective eye can see that whenever he finds himself in a situation where he has to overtake a car with anything nearing the performance of the Red Bull he his very far from the invincible Alien he is when he is hotlapping on his own. And that is a very good thing for the sport.

 

[Jimlaad43]

I am British and I support neither of those three.

Maybe so was the wrong word to say.

 

[Sach]

Oh come now. You cannot deny that he is without doubt the least confident when it comes to overtaking of the top five drivers. The fact that so many lauds him for the pass on Alonso at Monza just proves the point. That was a pass that any of the other four big names pull off in almost every race but Vettel manage one in a season so therefore it is a big thing.


Yes he has been in front mostly this season and therefore not needed to pass many times but anyone with an objective eye can see that whenever he finds himself in a situation where he has to overtake a car with anything nearing the performance of the Red Bull he his very far from the invincible Alien he is when he is hotlapping on his own. And that is a very good thing for the sport.

Not sure if I can agree with that. Alonso has been pretty reserved with overtaking this season, tbh. He's definitely had some great starts where he jumped ahead, but Vettel's move at Monza was exceptional by any of those drivers' standards. And as for top 5, I wouldn't consider Webber all that aggressive when it comes to overtaking. Button is the best out there right now at that, and while Hamilton might be the most aggressive, he's also the most foolish and has made the most mistakes trying to overtake in ill-advised situations.

 

[IceMan PJN]

I think it's just because of Vettel's dominance, it provides a more interesting race if the same guy doesn't win every time, at least I think IMO.

He's winning, that's the primary reason.

This. I don't follow NASCAR but I know lots of people who do, and as near as I can tell folks like Jimmie Johnson are in much the same boat as Vettel. They seem to hate having a certain driver dominating, like Johnson winning five seasons in a row, and I've often seen variations of "Anyone but Jimmie" both online and offline.

It seems as though race fans would prefer to have a bunch of mediocre drivers competing so that they get more mixed results rather than professional drivers being consistently dominant. They'd like to eliminate the best drivers in favor of having a bunch of moderately-skilled drivers. Evidently the world of motorsports has no place for top drivers.

 

[YellowG1]

It seems as though race fans would prefer to have a bunch of mediocre drivers competing so that they get more mixed results rather than professional drivers being consistently dominant. They'd like to eliminate the best drivers in favor of having a bunch of moderately-skilled drivers. Evidently the world of motorsports has no place for top drivers.

Now, wouldn't the same be true of any sport: people hate ManU and Barcelona, the Lakers in basketball, the Patriots in football, the Yankees in baseball, Rossi in MotoGP. The list goes on. It's not and never has been about promoting "mediocrity". People respect transcendent talents like Jordan, Messi, Tom Brady, and and Rossi, but they want the drivers and teams they root for to win. Failing that, they like competition.

That said, Vettel is probably the least disliked F1 champion in a long while. Still, the fact that he's routing the field doesn't mean he should be immune to some criticism.

 

[Seismica]

Not sure if I can agree with that. Alonso has been pretty reserved with overtaking this season, tbh. He's definitely had some great starts where he jumped ahead, but Vettel's move at Monza was exceptional by any of those drivers' standards. And as for top 5, I wouldn't consider Webber all that aggressive when it comes to overtaking. Button is the best out there right now at that, and while Hamilton might be the most aggressive, he's also the most foolish and has made the most mistakes trying to overtake in ill-advised situations.

Webber has been good at overtaking, look at his overtakes of Alonso in Singapore and Spa. Sure he failed on Massa at Monza but everyone has a bad day.

I think Vettel can be regarded as a good overtaker but because he is in the fastest car (Don't kid yourself, how many times has Webber made front row when Alonso/Hamilton have been several tenths off? It isn't just Vettel) he hasn't had a chance to prove himself. Give him the 2nd or 3rd fastest car and he should be able to prove that his skills don't just involve driving in clean air. I think Vettel has established himself as the most consistent and fastest driver on the grid in qualifying.

 

[Sach]

I still disagree to a point. Yes, he did overtake Alonso in both of those races, but in both of those races Alonso's car just wasn't up to snuff with the rest of the leaders. The Ferrari didn't have the tires at Spa, which is why he couldn't hold on to a podium finish, same at Singapore only worse.

 

[Seismica]

I still disagree to a point. Yes, he did overtake Alonso in both of those races, but in both of those races Alonso's car just wasn't up to snuff with the rest of the leaders. The Ferrari didn't have the tires at Spa, which is why he couldn't hold on to a podium finish, same at Singapore only worse.

The thing with the overtakes on Alonso was they were in places where overtakes are usually unheard of. Going into Eau Rouge at Spa, and going into the tri-apex chicane in Singapore. These were some fantastic overtakes.

The myth that Vettel can't overtake exists because of mistakes he has made in the past couple of years. Webber last year in Turkey, Button in Spa, pushing Sutil's car out of the way in Silverstone etc.

He is a good overtaker, but it overshadowed by mistakes he has made in the past.

Hamilton on the other hand, everyone has high expectations because of his early seasons but is being ridiculed for mistakes he is making now. I think Vettel's way is better as the only way is up.

 

[Sach]

It's not really that way this season though, maybe in the past, but this is the year of DRS, and there were a handful of overtakes through Eau Rouge in that race. They weren't as dramatic as one would normally think either. But, I will give it to you that Mark's overtake through there was indeed quite ballsy.

 

[Ardius]

It seems as though race fans would prefer to have a bunch of mediocre drivers competing so that they get more mixed results rather than professional drivers being consistently dominant. They'd like to eliminate the best drivers in favor of having a bunch of moderately-skilled drivers. Evidently the world of motorsports has no place for top drivers.

No, people prefer unpredictability. Or at least, a decent amount of it. (as people also dislike utterly random results).
Its not that the drivers are professional or "highly skilled", its simply that if one driver and team dominates, the sport becomes predictable. If you already can predict the result of races and qualifying sessions, thats half the reason people watch gone.

People watch for the result and the build-up, the excitement and the drama to that result. If people think they already know or its so obvious that one driver/team is going to win, obviously it makes the build-up to the result a good deal less exciting.

Nothing to do with it being "no place for top drivers" - who said anything about getting rid of top drivers? You can have a championship with top drivers and no one dominating..look at 2010 for crying out loud!

With this in mind though, 2010 and 2011 are hardly dominating performances for Vettel and Red Bull. Ok, the results are dominating, but the races themselves Vettel has had to fight for every victory. None have been really easy victories. This is nothing like the Ferrari 2002-2004 Schumi era. Sadly, people prefer to talk about results and apparently its "boring" seeing Vettel win most of the races. Nevermind that he has driven quite brilliantly most of the year to earn these wins.

 

[Sach]

Yet we look back at the McLaren days as being epic and glorious, when in reality they were favored to win each race even moreso.

 

[Bigbazz]

I remember back when Schumacher was dominating, there were hints sent his way about him leaving the sport so that other people could win, because it was becoming boring watching him dominate for so long. Many people saw alonso as a sort of hero, for ending the era.

2010 was one of the most exciting formula 1 seasons that I can remember. Why? because 4 drivers went into the last race with the chance to take the title. This year has seen some amazing races, but Vettel dominating has taken the excitement out of the championship race, while we have seen epic racing, most of that was behind a hotlapping Vettel in first.

 

[SkateNj]

People always hate the greats.
/thread

 

[Ardius]

Yet we look back at the McLaren days as being epic and glorious, when in reality they were favored to win each race even moreso.

Only in some respects. People look back on 1988 as a great season because of Senna and Prost's rivalry. People even at the time did find the domination of McLaren rather dull.

Same with Williams in the 90s - though thankfully for everyone's sake Frank tended to fire or not hold onto his WDCs so at least it was different drivers!

But don't kid yourself with people going on about the "good old days" with talk about loads of overtaking, exciting races and drivers. F1 then was just as dull for similar reasons as it can be nowadays! Just because a race includes Ayrton Senna didn't mean it was a great race everytime to watch!

 

[YellowG1]

Yet we look back at the McLaren days as being epic and glorious, when in reality they were favored to win each race even moreso.

Who's "we" and where has that happened here?

 

[Sach]

I should have said "yet people". I never meant to suggest anything specifically about the discussions here. It's an impression I've gotten over time, etc.

 

[noisiaturismo]

I'm not saying Vettel is a bad driver, he might even be the best, but with his car being so fast, it just gets annoying that we can't really see how good others are against him because he has such a good car.

My biggest problem is that I nobody can really hate Red Bull for making a car better than its competition. In fact, we should all be applauding them, but we don't, because we're all bad people who hate Red Bull.

GO McLaren!!!

The Red Bull car isn't better. Webber didn't peform like Vettel and in Toro Rosso Vettel also was amazing. Or watch the BMW race in the USA.

Don't talk about Vettel, Red Bull, McLaren or anything if you don't know this obvious information.