Women in Formula One

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With the increased speculation that Danica Patrick will join USF1 next season and the confirmation that Natacha Gachnang will test for Campos, I think it's high time for a discussion about the potential for women in Formula One.

The benefits of women in the sport are obvious; more attention from the media and audiences, and the potential for more sponsorship deals that the signing of a female driver will bring.

Now, I'm not being sexist, but I do not believe Patrick or Gachnang should race in the sport. They simply do not have the results to their names. Firstly, Danica Patrick has made several podiums and a well-documented win at Motegi, but all of her results have come on oval circuits. Her podiums were at Texas, Nashville, Motegi and Indianapolis; all of them are ovals. Every time I think of Danica Patrick in a Formula One car, my mind cannot get past her showing at Surfers Paradise last year when she spent most of the race in last place and when there was a traffic jam and her car had to be re-started by the marshalls, she was clearly frustrated and from that point on she gave up; even the commentators noted it. What's more, a lot of her worst results come on street circuits - Edmonton, St. Petersburg, Watkins Glen, Mid-Ohio etc - so how will she fare in a racing series made up entirely of road and street circuits?

Likewise Natacha Gachnang. She is racing in Formula Two at the moment, and after three rounds she has zero points; her best result is eleventh. Why should she be allowed a Formula One race seat with results like that when teams could sign championship leaders Andy Soucek or Robert Wickens?

I get the appeal of having a female driver, and I think it would be a great thing for the sport. But I don't think Danica Patrick or Natacha Gachnang will be or should be those drivers. Not because they are female, but because they simply do not perform. People say they shouldn't be denied a race seat because they are women, but in the same way, I don't think they should be given a drive because they are women, either. They should be treated the same way as any other driver in the sport: awarded a race seat because they have the results and the consistency a team is looking for. Danica Patrick said it herself when she said "The car doesn't care if I'm a chick", so why should we care?

The way I see it, if Patrick and Gachnang are given a race seat, there's a very real likelihood that they'll fail to deliver. It might be good in the short time - a little extra attention, sponsorship dollars flowing in - but it's worse in the long term. If they fail (and based on their results alone, there's a much greater chance of that happening than their success), it will do nothing to encourage women in motorsport. In fact, I'd say it would do exactly the opposite.
 
Has Patrick scored a point at all on a circuit with real turns? Just because of her only astounding results happened on an oval doesn't mean that she's not good on a real circuit. Give her a chance. Buemi wasn't too good himself in GP2, but he made it didn't he?
 
I want to see a female driver in F1 just to hear what the announcers say when, heaven forbid, someone crashes into her. "Looks like Robert Kubica's gone into her rear end." :lol:
 
Has Patrick scored a point at all on a circuit with real turns? Just because of her only astounding results happened on an oval doesn't mean that she's not good on a real circuit. Give her a chance.
She's had plenty of chances; she's been in IndyCar for four years now.
 
What about her car? Is it a front row car, mid fielder or at the back of the line.
 
I cant say Buemi's very spectacular even if he is in a slow car, he dosent do.... much at all, as for this woman, I personally dont feel its right to let anyone who has barely won a few races in any lower category into F1, F1 is about elite drivers, I dont care if I sound sexist now, but no matter what sex it is, if they havent been a outstanding achiever he or her should not even think about f1,- Kimi Raikonen, all the other world champions have been amazing drivers in other categories.
Kimi on the other hand just seemed like someone who just simply had the skill from the start with no need to do the long run.
But personally I feel that no she shouldnt be taken, look at how many other superior drivers there are, so why take her?, the only reason I can see if the team really knows they will not achieve anything, so why the heck no get a bit of publicity.
 
Publicity is exactly what they want! A female driver will possibly draw sponsors aswell, and that means money for the team. Even if they are underachievers, they will get alot of attention, and that also usually spells more money, so teams going for a woman will most certainly get a good financial start!
 
What about her car? Is it a front row car, mid fielder or at the back of the line.
I believe they use a spec chassis and a single engine supplier. There's no such thing as front-row, mid-fielders or backmarker designs in the series: they're identical, so it all comes doesn to driver skill.

Formula Two is as well; Williams-designed chassis, powered by an Audi engine. They're all identical; the idea being to pick out the msot talented drivers on skill alone for Formula One. And eighteenth place - where Gachnang is - does not suggest skill.
 
I want to see a female driver in F1 just to hear what the announcers say when, heaven forbid, someone crashes into her. "Looks like Robert Kubica's nose has gone into her rear end." :lol:

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Women should have an equal right to be in F1 as men, but it a driver's worth should be judged on skill and not their gender. If a women is better than a man, put the woman in the seat. If the man is better, put him in the seat.
 
Publicity is exactly what they want! A female driver will possibly draw sponsors aswell, and that means money for the team. Even if they are underachievers, they will get alot of attention, and that also usually spells more money, so teams going for a woman will most certainly get a good financial start!

Great and true point.The press would be all over this one.

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Women should have an equal right to be in F1 as men, but it a driver's worth should be judged on skill and not their gender. If a women is better than a man, put the woman in the seat. If the man is better, put him in the seat.

Exactly,if a woman can outperform the man,then she desreves the driver seat. This can be applied to any form of motorsport.
 
There's been women in F1 before. Maria Theresa de Filippis scored half a point.
 
There's been women in F1 before. Maria Theresa de Filippis scored half a point.
Yeah, but they've never made a career out of it. How many races was she entered in? I doubt it would be a full season the way Patrick or Gachnang would be competing in.
 
5 Grand Prix's over two years, but she's only half a point behind Adrian Sutil's 4 season accumulation (so far)!
 
5 Grand Prix's over two years, but she's only half a point behind Adrian Sutil's 4 season accumulation (so far)!
Her best finish was 10th. How does that get half a point?
 
Has Patrick scored a point at all on a circuit with real turns? Just because of her only astounding results happened on an oval doesn't mean that she's not good on a real circuit. Give her a chance. Buemi wasn't too good himself in GP2, but he made it didn't he?

But Buemi didn't race on oval circuits.
 
Her best finish was 10th. How does that get half a point?

My bad, I meant Lella Lombardi. She finished 6th in 1975's Spanish GP.
 
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Women should have an equal right to be in F1 as men, but it a driver's worth should be judged on skill and not their gender. If a women is better than a man, put the woman in the seat. If the man is better, put him in the seat.


Results, results, results. This how you get to climb the ladder.

But we do live in the real world, and women have powers us mere males do not equal or understand.:D

Yea but Sutil runs like a girl :).

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I want to see a female driver in F1 just to hear what the announcers say when, heaven forbid, someone crashes into her. "Looks like Robert Kubica's gone into her rear end." :lol:

"Kubica went quickest after he came out at the end of the session and Danica felt she was very hard done by not to finish the day on top" :lol:

I'm sorry. I'm 17 and am allowed to say this.
 
Hmm, well I don't know whether spec-series are a good indication of ability to drive an F1 car. The fundamental problem with spec series is that they will naturally favour certain driver's styles over others. So for all we know, Buemi's cousin could be decent, though tomorrow I will hopefully catch some F2 on Eurosport so I can judge her racecraft myself.
For example, Champ Cars clearly suited Bourdais driving style, but in F1 he was given machinery he couldn't get his head around. And Buemi wasn't anything special in GP2, but his racing at Melbourne this year was top notch stuff.

I agree though, they shouldn't be let in just because of their gender, just as much that it shouldn't be a restriction. But, they will anyway, because I feel the days of pay-drivers may finally be coming back, Alguesuari seems to be one already.
 
What about her car? Is it a front row car, mid fielder or at the back of the line.

Do You Race?
I believe they use a spec chassis and a single engine supplier. There's no such thing as front-row, mid-fielders or backmarker designs in the series: they're identical, so it all comes doesn to driver skill.

While it is a spec chassis and engine, the teams do make a big difference in results. While this effect is more so on ovals, it does still make a difference on street/road circuits. Only once this year has a team other than the top two (Ganassi and Penske) won a race. Danica's team is probably the third best this year, but have won have won championships recently.
 
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The Chassis and engine are equal.

The team element are good for pit stops and reliability. Better squads equals quicker stops with less errors. Better mechanics and more sponsor money means greater reliability.

The real key to speed in a single make formula is not just the speed of the driver but his/her relationship with the chief engineer. It is that relationship that turns a fast driver into a championship winner.
 
Everyone is saying the same thing.

No-one cares if women are in F1 or not, they just want them to be good enough to justify their being there.

I agree. Women should be in F1 (or at least not prevented from being in F1) if they are good enough. End of thread.
 
Only if the podium ceremony is turned into a wet t-shirt contest when women happen to take the top 3 spots.
 
I haven't seen much talent from Patrick. Maybe she's in one of the top teams, she's destined to finish somewhere in the top 20.:D ..But no, she shouldn't be in Formula1. All I can see is big time spotlight(OOO DANICA!!) and her crying because she can't break the top 8...EVER..I don't even want to see her reactions to someone like Webber who will take his position to the grave. One block from him, she'll be on the radio to pit "THATS NOT FAIR, HE COULD KILL SOMEONE" and that wouldn't be the end of it. At the end of the race, she will be interviewed and she'll be saying about all the things that should've happened and not what did happen. I'm not bashing her, but this is how she really is. I've watched her and every IRL race and she proved that she got very lucky at Motegi. Heilo ran out of gas and she got the win. Besides that she would still be winless.

Let me see her be the driver to beat at street courses and Watkins Glen and other Road Courses.


Robert Doornbos as we all know used to be in F1. Backmarker till the end. But since he's been in a couple races at street courses in IRL, he always does good. If she can't beat him, then how can she beat Kimi, Hamilton and company?
 
Patrick is not like all women, always complaining about everything bad, she will just kick your ass!!! We will all know in due time whether she will do good or terrible, when she finally gets behind the wheel.
 
Patrick is not like all women, always complaining about everything bad, she will just kick your ass!!! We will all know in due time whether she will do good or terrible, when she finally gets behind the wheel.

I didn't say she was like all women. This is what I have seen.


And, how much time do you need? She's been in IRL since 2005.

She went from a good team to a great team. With what results?:grumpy:
 
Patrick is not like all women, always complaining about everything bad, she will just kick your ass!!!
About that ass-kicking: it hasn't happened in four years, so why will things suddenly change when she move to a championship domingated by circuits she's poor at?

We will all know in due time whether she will do good or terrible, when she finally gets behind the wheel.
You'd think we'd know enough by now. Aside from the spec-cars and the ovals, Formula One and IndyCar aren't dramatically different. Her results show she doesn't deserve to be in Formula One, and if her attitude in Surfers Paradise last year is anything to go by - giving up early in the weekend - then she doesn't deserve to be in the sport at all, even if she gets her hands on a championship-winning car.

Your approach to her reminds me of people making excuses for Barrichello's poor show of form this year. Rather than admit he's just slow and gets an occasional bit of luck, people are saying Brawn are rigging the results or whatever. In the same way, Patrick is being slow on street circuits - her best result on a street circuit or road course is a sixth, and she's only even been inside the top ten on one other occasion - and there's nothing to suggest her pattern will change once she gets in a Formula One car. In fact, there's a hell of a lot of evidence (Michael Andretti, Sebastien Bourdais, Alex Zanardi) to suggest she'll be even worse since IndyCar drivers have a very rough time of it in Formula One.

Face it: Danica Patrick might be good-looking, but she's not Formula One material.
 
If a woman can compete, i don't care if she races. Simple as that. Whoever is the best driver, man or woman, should drive.
 
Okay, just to set the record straight...for you guys that think Danica sucks or doesn't deserve an F1 ride, that's fine. Just get your facts straight first, or at least be good enough at BS'ing to make people at least think you know what you are talking about..:dunce:

Yes, the IRL is a spec series. So is Nascar for that matter. It doesn't prevent one or more teams from dominating their respective series, year-in and year-out. If you look at the IRL standings this season (where Danica happens to be sitting 5th overall at the moment, with 5 top five and 8 top 10 finishes), what do you notice? Well, the first thing that sticks out to me is that the top four drivers are from Target Chip Ganassi and Penske. Hmmm...
Think that's a coincidence? I doubt it. By far, those two teams are the best in the sport right now, and have been for the past couple of years. The fact that it is a "spec" series does not prevent one or two teams from dominating the sport, as Ganassi and Penske are clearly doing now, and have done in the past. With different driver lineups as well, so it's not all down to drivers. They have better organizations, better engineers, better race-stategists, and better equipment.

Just look at qualifying for Indianapolis this year. Helio Castroneves (Team Penske) was 1.2 mph quicker (224.864) than Tony Kanaan (Andretti) (223.622). Do you seriously think Helio's right foot is that much stronger than Kanaan's? Of course not. To be that much faster than another fellow "spec car" tells me that the organization as a whole at Penske is significantly better than the organization at AGR. To be 1.2 mph quicker at an oval is quite a huge margin by the way. Also, out of the top five qualifiers at Indy, 4 were from either Penske or Ganassi.

Yes, when Danica first left Rahal/Letterman racing (a mid-pack team at the time) to go to (then) Andretti-Green racing, they were one of the top two teams in the series. Some can argue that she should have performed better her first season there, while they were still a contender. However, the past two years, AGR has tailed-off, and is now clearly no better than the 3rd best team in the IRL. This season, Danica is the leading point scorer for her team, ahead of both Tony Kanaan and Marco Andretti. So to me, she is doing what I would expect her to be doing as a (realistic/rational minded) owner, knowing that my cars are clearly behind the 8 ball when stacked up against Penske and Ganassi--she is getting the best finishes possible, bringing the car home in one piece, and sits right behind the top four Penske/Ganassi drivers in the standings. What more do you think she could be doing this year?
The one thing she has proven, if nothing else, is that she can handle an open-wheel racecar at the highest speeds--higher even than Formula One now achieves.

@ Do You Race--why don't you check your facts before you post? You really want to take the position that Danica is bad at street/road courses? Mind boggling... :rolleyes:

Just to address her road/street course skills: last week, she finished 6th (after starting 18th) at Toronto--a street course. Earlier in the season, she finished 4th at Long Beach after starting 22nd on the grid. I would say those are pretty good results on street courses, considering her starting position. Are you saying she sucks at road and street courses because she wasn't able to win after starting 18th and 22nd respectively?
Come on, that's a bit ridiculous, isn't it?

I will however say that I have to agree with those who have pointed out that she has not quite succeeded as much as she probably should have by now.
I think it's fair to say that she probably should have/could have won one or two more races over the past three seasons. And furthermore, I'm not quite certain that she has the resume to truly deserve a seat in Formula One, but for that matter, how many new up-and-coming drivers do when they are given the reigns of an F1 car? Haven't there been quite a few drivers over the last decade who didn't really deserve a seat in F1? F1 has been bombarded with stooges who had no business driving an F1 car. I'm not naming names, because I shouldn't have to--if you can't think of at least 5 off the top of your head, you're not a real F1 fan anyway. And from my standpoint, many of these drivers didn't have nearly the amount of open wheel seat time and experience as Danica.

Are we going to start guarding the sanctity of F1 seats now? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! After the Takuma Sato's and Alex Yoong's of the world have somehow managed to take up F1 seats, I find it a bit hard to say with any seriousness that ANYBODY is unqualified for an F1 seat, much less Danica Patrick :dopey: Granted, the IRL runs mostly oval courses, at about a 2 or 3 to 1 ratio. But still, it is a very competitive series, and they do run at very impressive speeds. That much she will already be accustomed to, and also, F1 cars (even the fledgling USGP team's no doubt) have much more downforce and handle much better than Indy Cars. So she shouldn't have too much trouble keeping it on track.

Does she deserve a ride in Formula One? Probably not. But who knows? If the USGP team gives her an opportunity to test and decides to go with her, then give her a chance. If she fails, she fails. F1 teams, just like teams in virtually every other major racing series in the world, can and do make mistakes when choosing drivers. It happens every year. Why not let USGP make their mistake by choosing her ?(if in fact it turns out to be a mistake) I can guarantee they could do worse. She just turned 27 this spring (a little long in the tooth by F1 standards maybe but still relatively young for a driver) and is just now entering her prime I think. I think based on her noticeable improvements in consistency, pace and results this season, she has proven that she is not just getting by on her looks and her status as a female. She's got some talent as a driver.
 
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