Women in Formula One

Ardius
Whereas Wolff has never won a race. Ever.
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In DTM she was always given outdated machinery by Mercedes. Which was a disadvantage. She solidly beat Vanina Ickx most of the time though.
 
Last year she didn't, and she finished plum last.
 
Hopefully Susie shares some tyre info with her husband. :lol:
 
Peasantslayer
Hopefully Susie shares some tyre info with her husband. :lol:
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It's like a double whammy, Susie and a Mercedes DTM driver also testing. We all know that Williams now works for MGP :sly: :lol:
 
Ardius
Yeah but Chandhok, Yamamoto, Karthikeyan and Chilton have all won races in junior formulae?
All of them except Yamamoto have won races in GP2 even.

So even though they weren't brilliant F1 drivers, they have at least a reasonable background to justify a seat.
Even fricking useless drivers like Yuji Ide and Ricardo Rosset have won races.
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Yuji Ide finished second in Formula Nippon the year before he got the SA seat, beating multiple (future) Le Mans winners in the process.

Rosset did something similar, finishing second in F3000 in 1995, ahead of Le Mans winners and an Indy 500 winner.

Both should have done much better in F1 than they actually did. Their huge failures are both sort of a mystery, really. F1 can be something of a curse for your reputation and career if you get it wrong unfortunately.
 
Yuji couldn't drive.
 
SagarisGTB
Yuji Ide finished second in Formula Nippon the year before he got the SA seat, beating multiple (future) Le Mans winners in the process.

Rosset did something similar, finishing second in F3000 in 1995, ahead of Le Mans winners and an Indy 500 winner.

Both should have done much better in F1 than they actually did. Their huge failures are both sort of a mystery, really. F1 can be something of a curse for your reputation and career if you get it wrong unfortunately.
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NissanSkylineN1
Yuji couldn't drive.
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Really Nissan, check the post above? He had to have some talent.
 
SagarisGTB
F1 can be something of a curse for your reputation and career if you get it wrong unfortunately.
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Of course, you are inevitably compared to your teammate, and in Rosset's case, he was slower than Takagi, who had the same amount of experience. He deserved the chance, but to no avail.

Ide had to get a Superlicence on a technicality, but was also saddled with a four-year old car, a new team, and a teammate who was superior in talent. He still remains one of the few F1 drivers to have been barred by the FIA for the remainder of a season.

At the back of the grid, these things happen in all forms if motorsport. Typically, in F1, the difference between pole and the back row aren't as great a difference, until they are compared on the grand scale of things that team, media, and fan scrutiny tend to aggrandize.

So it would go if ladies competed in F1...if he isn't delivering results, that would be the end of it. The media circus would be onto the next thing, if she wasn't very good. If a lady driver could put a car on the sharp end of the grid, that would be a totally different matter!
 
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Wolff's fastest lap of one minute 35.093 seconds on Friday was 0.462 secs slower than Spaniard Daniel Juncadella, the European Formula Three champion, managed.

Juncadella set a faster lap - 1:34.098 - on the first day of the test on Wednesday. Williams race driver Pastor Maldonado clocked 1:34.116 on Thursday.

"I'd seen what he (Juncadella) had done (on Thursday) and the team were quite impressed by that and I was 0.4secs off that so it wasn't so bad," Wolff said.

She added that she had struggled to make the 'medium' compound tyre - the fastest available at the test - work effectively because of her limited experience.

"There was more potential there, definitely. But the team ran through the programme they wanted to so it was a successful day."

Asked about the prospects of her racing in F1 one day, Wolff said: "It was important for me to show I have the performance, it was important to show, given the limited laps I had, I can be on the pace.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/23383461
 
Maria de Villota (sp.?); she certainly made an impact in F1 and that was just straight line testing :scared:

I think most women would be too busy being **** scared to actually focus on driving fast. Plus physically I think they would really struggle with a full race distance in a hot country. Having a woman driver is nothing more than a gimmick. There are hundreds of male drivers more qualified for places in F1. If they want F1 so bad they should start their own F1 'F' series. I don't see what they have to gain from joining regular F1? Do they honestly think they can win?
 
Wolff seems to be convinced that she'll be in Formula 1 sooner rather than later. But I don't see a seat opening up, unless someone gets promoted to another team.
 
prisonermonkeys
Wolff seems to be convinced that she'll be in Formula 1 sooner rather than later. But I don't see a seat opening up, unless someone gets promoted to another team.
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Somehow she thinks 4 tenths off this Juncadella lad means she's "ready" and whenever she's asked whether or not she was chosen just because she's a woman she says they'd only pick the best for the YDT. :confused:

prisonermonkeys
Wolff seems to be convinced that she'll be in Formula 1 sooner rather than later. But I don't see a seat opening up, unless someone gets promoted to another team.
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If she can bring money to a team that is going to be dead last with or without her then maybe she might be worth having.
 
Peasantslayer
Somehow she thinks 4 tenths off this Juncadella lad means she's "ready" and whenever she's asked whether or not she was chosen just because she's a woman she says they'd only pick the best for the YDT. :confused:
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Juncadella is actually really good. He won the 2012 F3 Euroseries, European F3 and Masters of Formula 3, beating the likes of Marciello and Werhlein. He also won the Macau Grand Prix in 2011.

Peasantslayer
If she can bring money to a team that is going to be dead last with or without her then maybe she might be worth having.
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The problem is that the team already gets money out of Maldonado. He's been linked to a move to Lotus recently, but some of his comments have made it pretty clear that his future is tied to Williams' and their future to him. Wolff could possibly bring an engine subsidy, given her connection to Mercedes, but her husband manages Valtteri Bottas, who would also bring an engine subsidy. And Daniel Juncadella is faster, has backing from the Astana Group - who already have some minor branding on the FW35 - and is a Mercedes driver in DTM, so he could bring sponsorship and a subsidy.

Wolff's only real chance would be if both Maldonado and Bottas move on. Daniel Juncadella would be the first choice for any vacancy, so Wolff would have to be in the second seat.
 
Bottom line is, she's not good enough and her lack of race wins/championships during her career proves this. I don't think she's actually won anything, not a single race since the late 90's! Ask yourself what male driver with a record like that would get considered for F1? The whole thing is a joke and very demeaning to F1.
 
ROB 256R
Bottom line is, she's not good enough and her lack of race wins/championships during her career proves this.
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Her career has been dominated by DTM - a touring car series. It's hardly the most representative series for assessing a driver's ability in Formula 1.
 
They are not technically touring cars in the sense of being a normal car chassis. "Instead of the road car bodies, unrelated purpose-built chassis are used, which are closer to prototype racing. Many drivers have in fact described the handling of the cars as closer to single seater racing cars than road cars." Di Resta managed to do ok out of it?
 
ROB 256R
Bottom line is, she's not good enough and her lack of race wins/championships during her career proves this. I don't think she's actually won anything, not a single race since the late 90's! Ask yourself what male driver with a record like that would get considered for F1? The whole thing is a joke and very demeaning to F1.
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there are a few current drivers, Maldonado, Gutierrez, Pic, who I would think should not be in the game even though they have won races in other 'levels of open wheels. who knows, she could shine in F1.
 
ROB 256R
Di Resta managed to do ok out of it?
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How many other drivers graduated to Formula 1 from DTM?

Furthermore, bear in mind that Wolff was driving around in cars that were several years out of date. It was only when the DTM regulations got overhauled last year that everyone started with current-generation cars.
 
Yes and she was still back of the grid with a current car.
 
prisonermonkeys
Her career has been dominated by DTM - a touring car series. It's hardly the most representative series for assessing a driver's ability in Formula 1.
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I'm not entirely sure how anyone in the paddock would arrive at the conclusion that she has ability in Formula 1. Maybe she does, but she's got all this experience that's either not that impressive or not particularly relevant.

And frankly, once you've been racing for a while, being in non-current machinery is probably more of a statement of your ability than anything else. If you were fast, a top team would be putting you in their car. ESPECIALLY as a woman, where the PR pays for itself.

It's just another attempt to shoehorn a driver who doesn't really appear to be capable into F1, simply because of her gender. I think the whole thing stinks. If she was a guy she never would have even got this far. As the last couple of pages of the driver transfer thread shows, the list of drivers better qualified for a chance at a seat just goes on and on.
 
I was ranting about this on Twitter yesterday. If a guy was a second off Maldonado they'd say he doesn't have the pace. Gpupdate or Autosport were saying 'As Wolff takes her chance'. She didn't though, did she? She was the slowest driver of her car. Contrary to popular belief in motorsport, fast for a woman and fast for a man are the same thing. The only reason she's even getting tests is because she's a girl. Are you telling me that she's the quickest person available for Williams to use a test driver? Is she balls. It's all a gimmick about the novelty of having a female racing driver and she knows it just as well as we do.
 
ROB 256R
Maria de Villota (sp.?); she certainly made an impact in F1 and that was just straight line testing :scared:

I think most women would be too busy being **** scared to actually focus on driving fast. Plus physically I think they would really struggle with a full race distance in a hot country. Having a woman driver is nothing more than a gimmick. There are hundreds of male drivers more qualified for places in F1. If they want F1 so bad they should start their own F1 'F' series. I don't see what they have to gain from joining regular F1? Do they honestly think they can win?
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Nice bit of prejudice there.

Unless of course you mean women in general, not just race car drivers. But then the same would apply to men.
 
ROB 256R
Maria de Villota (sp.?); she certainly made an impact in F1 and that was just straight line testing :scared:

I think most women would be too busy being **** scared to actually focus on driving fast. Plus physically I think they would really struggle with a full race distance in a hot country. Having a woman driver is nothing more than a gimmick. There are hundreds of male drivers more qualified for places in F1. If they want F1 so bad they should start their own F1 'F' series. I don't see what they have to gain from joining regular F1? Do they honestly think they can win?
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Not sure if you read this post before submission, it reads like you are complete chauvinist.
Women aren't made of porcalain.
If they can give birth, they can do anything.

Seperate series? Its not a team sport, utter drivel.
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Seeing the way she drives in nascar, i would say see would crash almost every race
 
How come see hasn't gone into GP2?

I'd like to see her racing in this type of car at much higher speeds for many laps.
 
Nurburgthing.
Seperate series? Its not a team sport, utter drivel.
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Err ... I'm pretty sure it is a team sport :confused:

Encyclopedia
Nice bit of prejudice there.

Unless of course you mean women in general, not just race car drivers. But then the same would apply to men.
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Maybe I worded it wrong but women do generally have more of a cautious attitude when it comes to danger. Stirling Moss knows what's up 👍
 
ROB 256R
Err ... I'm pretty sure it is a team sport :confused:


Maybe I worded it wrong but women do generally have more of a cautious attitude when it comes to danger. Stirling Moss knows what's up 👍
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It may not be F1, but I reckon Michele Mouton and Sabina Schmitz would like a word with you outside. If you can drive fast you can drive fast, no matter the gender.
 
Furinkazen
It may not be F1, but I reckon Michele Mouton and Sabina Schmitz would like a word with you outside. If you can drive fast you can drive fast, no matter the gender.
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I did say generally. There are exceptions yes.

Shouldn't you be busy spec'ing cars?
 
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