worst GT yet?

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hey guys, to start off no, I'm not trolling. I was just talking to a friend last night, and I believe, driving physics, graphics, and online play aside, GT5 may be the worst Gran Turismo yet.

here are my reasons why:

  • the godawful leveling system causes headache inducing grind fests
  • the b-spec mode that is mandatory to completion
  • the some areas of the world got better "special" cars
  • the entire premium/standard debacle and the number of problems that come along with it
  • the used car lot that refuses to show you the cars you need to complete certain races or just simply want to own and drive
  • the lack of races, lack of the "upload to youtube" feature that was promised
  • the little amount of tracks
  • the ridiculously small number of cars that can be race modified
  • the sounds on most of the cars
    [*]how most of the American cars handle suspiciously like crap
  • how there's 30 something versions of the Miata
  • but the new Mustang and the Fox Body is left out (one of the most prominent club racing cars being used today, Miata aside)
  • the paint system
  • the limited wheel/rim system
  • the lack of advertised realistic damage
  • the chassis refresh
  • the crappy tuning options (no positive camber option and NASCAR's are in the game?....uh, wut?.....)
  • how they put Indy in but no Indy Cars
  • the fact that the Ferrari F1 cars are in the game, but you can't use them anywhere
  • the really awful brakes and lack of brake upgrade options
  • the really stupid AI]
  • lack of fast forward/rewind in replay mode, and fast forward in b-spec mode
  • the lack of saving setups
  • having to turn the aids off for EVERY single car in the game (REALLY ANNOYING!!!!)


those are all I can think of at the moment, but feel free to add. yes, the game is ridiculously fun to drive, and the cars feel great, but the whole thing feels REALLY unfinished and rushed. I'm curious on others thoughts.

theres a good reason for that, they do handle like crap
 
hey guys, to start off no, I'm not trolling. I was just talking to a friend last night, and I believe, driving physics, graphics, and online play aside, GT5 may be the worst Gran Turismo yet.

the godawful leveling system causes headache inducing grind fests
So you hate driving and racing? Who cares if it's the same race, have some fun.

the b-spec mode that is mandatory to completion
No it isn't. For 100% completion, but it does not matter.

the some areas of the world got better "special" cars
There's nothing you can do about it.

the entire premium/standard debacle and the number of problems
that come along with it
Problems? I see none. I'm fine driving a Standard.

the used car lot that refuses to show you the cars you need to complete certain races or just simply want to own and drive
It's random, not refusing. It's called have some damn patience.

the lack of races, lack of the "upload to youtube" feature that was promised
It's coming...

the little amount of tracks
Dude, there's a Course Maker. That's a TON of tracks.

the ridiculously small number of cars that can be race modified
Deal with it. What are you going to do about it?

the sounds on most of the cars
...sound okay. Maybe you need a better TV. Check your settings.

how most of the American cars handle suspiciously like crap
More weight= less handling. :dunce:

how there's 30 something versions of the Miata
but the new Mustang and the Fox Body is left out (one of the most prominent club racing cars being used today, Miata aside)
It's not easy to model a car and throw in the interior. Maybe Ford said no. PD can't just steal designs.

the paint system
Again, there's nothing wrong. It just makes you work for it.

the limited wheel/rim system
There's nothing you can do about it.

the lack of advertised realistic damage
It's fine. Sheesh, now you're just picking things to make the list bigger.

the chassis refresh
Is expensive, but you don't HAVE to buy it.

the crappy tuning options (no positive camber option and NASCAR's are in the game?....uh, wut?.....)
One camber option doesn't deserve being hated. And NASCAR is in to show an advancement that NASCAR can drive on more than ovals.

how they put Indy in but no Indy Cars
You have to get the license to put Indy GP cars in the game. PD didn't.

the fact that the Ferrari F1 cars are in the game, but you can't use them anywhere
I do agree with this one.

the really awful brakes and lack of brake upgrade options
Get better tires. The better the tires, the better the braking.

the really stupid AI
Is sometimes stupid but shows some great displays sometimes.

lack of fast forward/rewind in replay mode, and fast forward in b-spec mode
Maybe it's coming? Wait.

the lack of saving setups
What do you mean saving? It stays tuned!

having to turn the aids off for EVERY single car in the game (REALLY ANNOYING!!!!)
5-10 seconds is a long time, right?

That's how I feel about the points made.
 
when responding to a topic, it usually makes sense to keep it on topic instead of insulting the OP with stereotypes and so forth...you know...USUALLY...............

You feel insulted because I said that your country has always produced and produces worse cars than most of the rest of the world?

I wouldn't want to be in your shoes, if you feel that's a personal insult, since it's the general opinion of most motorsports enthusiasts around the world. That's a whole LOT of insults coming your way (or better, that you appropriate on yourself).
 
I bought this game as a playground for cars and the overall GT atmosphere. It totally delivers on both of those.

The best GT as a GAME is GT2 by a longshot. People loved GT3 to death because it had the best physics up until 5, but as a game it falls WAY short of GT2 and GT4. I don't understand why people decided to feel the opposite about GT5 for the same reasons they loved 3.
 
The game definitely has its share of faults, large ones even, but it has even more content to make up for it. There are things that are frustrating and poorly implemented but the sheer amount of content is awesome and with the improved physics and graphics it makes the game fun overall. I think PD definitely had a vision that was too large for them to handle properly but you won't find me going back to any previous iteration of GT while I have GT5 in my possession.
 
GT5 has it's ups and downs, it's the best game in the series in some aspects but definitely the worst in terms of not really building on previous games and the fact that about 85% of GT5 is recycled stuff from it's prequels.
 
Drift260Z, I agree, it's the worst GT yet in terms of career mode. I'm not going to argue or make any points case it's all opinion in the end. It's a great game...it almost seems like they tried to do too much without polishing some of the finer points that GT is known for. But I can say I agree with some of your frustrations.

As far as American cars not handling though...try to shelby GT350, thats a nice little car all around.
 
GT5 is just a bad game. I mean wtf what where they thinking? How can they screw up so hard after GT4, which was awesome.

Physiks are good yes, Special Events was fun while it lasted, Premium Cars and some Tracks look very good. Everything else in this game sucks hard. And the worst thing are the bugs.

BUGS IN A GT GAME WTF?!?!?
 
I am having fun with GT5 despite hitting the level 27, only Endurance races left Aspec wall.

I do agree that it is the weakest game in the series. Career mode blows, neglected to make improvements on weaknesses in the GT series since GT1. Longest dev time yet but fewest events to date. So many woeful design decisions. It makes my head hurt thinking about how stupid you would have to be to release this game the way it is and spend over 5 years on it.
 
GT1 I thought WOW!! Amazing! So real!
GT2 I thought WOW! It's massive!

GT3 I thought WOW!! It's beautiful, handles so nice, great fun! But things are missing.
GT Concept I thought hmmm. They improved the handling a bit.

GT4 I thought wow it's huge and gorgeous, but it's not much fun.

GT5P : Beautiful - promises much!
GT5 I'm thinking Great fun! But is this it? Is this really the best they can do? They take so much away, but do not even refine what is left.
 
The game definitely has its share of faults, large ones even, but it has even more content to make up for it.


Exactly 👍

Night racing/day night cycles at the ring and LeMans › all of GT1, GT2, GT3, and GT4 combined

The physics › all of GT1, GT2, GT3, and GT4 physics combined. Without good physics the game is lost

Kaz knows GT5 has its problems and hes patching it like mad
 
I really think the time has come to make moderators personally decide about allowing threads to be posted and I'm going to make a special plea about it because all of this nonsense has become extremely annoying.

Same things again, again, again..
 
I'd like to preface this post with a disclaimer; I recognise that everyone is allowed to express their opinion and the following is not an attack on that right, it's more my own opinion. As the OP stated a few things almost as if they're facts, I've done the same.

Most of your (OP) points are kind of invalid as previous GT's didn't even nearly include some of the things you say aren't great, so I can't see how including them, albeit half-heartedly, makes GT5 worse than GT1, 2, 3 or 4 (or any of the semi-releases between).

Yes, the AI is probably worse than before, but complaining about the paint system in the 'worst GT yet?' thread is strange; GT has never had a paint system before. Also a lot of people complain about B-Spec, yes, it sucks at first, but you just need to give him faster cars than you used and then it's fine, when you get to level 20 he's actually pretty good. No, there's no fast forward unlike in GT4, but it has to be balanced somehow.

Also GT has always involved an element of grinding, so I don't get why people are complaining about that, is it just that you can't cheat any more by making Bob do it for you (not meant as a dig, it's a serious question)?

And finally, this game has been out for what, 3 weeks now, and you want to have finished it already? I plan to make this last not weeks, not months, but years... They're going to have to add more longevity for that to happen, though. And even more finally, I bought it because I wanted the best racing sim I could get on my PS3/360, and I got it, though some of the design choices of the game it's clothed in are strange, it's far from being the worst GT yet. In my opinion.

(I'd like to reaffirm my position on this; the OP does make a few valid points which I wholeheartedly agree with, too, but this is just opinions.)
 
So you hate driving and racing? Who cares if it's the same race, have some fun.
yea, that's totally what I said...


No it isn't. For 100% completion, but it does not matter.
so, wait...it isn't mandatory for completion, but it is mandatory for 100% completion...please explain...


There's nothing you can do about it.
so I'm just supposed to be happy about it?


Problems? I see none. I'm fine driving a Standard.
this is more of a perspective issue


It's random, not refusing. It's called have some damn patience.
it's called frustrating and not wanting to go in and out of races for an FGT, or missing a car you've been wanting cause you didn't have enough credits, then never seeing it again


It's coming...
again, something that was advertised before release, then not in the game


Dude, there's a Course Maker. That's a TON of tracks.
yea...you get to choose from their pre-selected options...


Deal with it. What are you going to do about it?
again, I'm just supposed to be happy about it?


...sound okay. Maybe you need a better TV. Check your settings.
no, I actually have a great TV. some of the cars sound great, most don't.


More weight= less handling. :dunce:
so I guess the fact that the GT-R handles well has a lot to do with it's feather light weight, right?


It's not easy to model a car and throw in the interior. Maybe Ford said no. PD can't just steal designs.
just speculation. I believe it had more to do with laziness and just porting from GT4/GTPSP


Again, there's nothing wrong. It just makes you work for it.
there's lots wrong with it. you have to have the paint chip, and you can only use it once, then you have to pay 2k? yea, this is pointless hoop jumping


There's nothing you can do about it.
AGAIN, I'm just supposed to be happy with it?


It's fine. Sheesh, now you're just picking things to make the list bigger
lol, no. if you advertise something to sell the game, it better be in there...that's usually called false advertising, or something crazy like that..."hey, come buy this new awesome car with a top speed of 300mph and 2g's of cornering capability! oh yea, after you buy it, you'll find it does 200, and has .9g of corner capability...but we'll still charge you the same..."


Is expensive, but you don't HAVE to buy it.
I've heard it affects the handling after some time


One camber option doesn't deserve being hated. And NASCAR is in to show an advancement that NASCAR can drive on more than ovals.
that was merely a single example of the other stupid tuning options...way to use your brain...


You have to get the license to put Indy GP cars in the game. PD didn't
first, they aren't "Indy GP cars", and secondly, they put down the ridiculous amount of money to include everything else...why put Indy in without Indy Cars? that's really a bonehead move. also, it's not like they were walking a tight line with the budget...


Get better tires. The better the tires, the better the braking.
OH MAN! I'M SO GLAD SOMEONE EXPLAINED THAT TO ME!!!!!! I WAS NOT AWARE!!! EVER!!!!!! seriously, it's just a small detail that was pointless to take out.


Maybe it's coming? Wait.
this is a small detail, but hugely irritating when trying to take photos in replay mode


What do you mean saving? It stays tuned!
you apparently have never played any other proper racing sim where you can have multiple setups, and load each one depending on condition or track


5-10 seconds is a long time, right?
smartass. it's irritating, and was just a stupid decision. it's like having to air up your tires every time you need to drive your car. doesn't take a very long amount of time, but starts to grind on you if you have to do it every time.

That's how I feel about the points made.
that's how I feel about this post




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I'd like to preface this post with a disclaimer; I recognise that everyone is allowed to express their opinion and the following is not an attack on that right, it's more my own opinion. As the OP stated a few things almost as if they're facts, I've done the same.

Most of your (OP) points are kind of invalid as previous GT's didn't even nearly include some of the things you say aren't great, so I can't see how including them, albeit half-heartedly, makes GT5 worse than GT1, 2, 3 or 4 (or any of the semi-releases between).

Yes, the AI is probably worse than before, but complaining about the paint system in the 'worst GT yet?' thread is strange; GT has never had a paint system before. Also a lot of people complain about B-Spec, yes, it sucks at first, but you just need to give him faster cars than you used and then it's fine, when you get to level 20 he's actually pretty good. No, there's no fast forward unlike in GT4, but it has to be balanced somehow.

Also GT has always involved an element of grinding, so I don't get why people are complaining about that, is it just that you can't cheat any more by making Bob do it for you (not meant as a dig, it's a serious question)?

And finally, this game has been out for what, 3 weeks now, and you want to have finished it already? I plan to make this last not weeks, not months, but years... They're going to have to add more longevity for that to happen, though. And even more finally, I bought it because I wanted the best racing sim I could get on my PS3/360, and I got it, though some of the design choices of the game it's clothed in are strange, it's far from being the worst GT yet. In my opinion.

(I'd like to reaffirm my position on this; the OP does make a few valid points which I wholeheartedly agree with, too, but this is just opinions.)

good response. I was expecting more stuff like this.
 
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If GT5 had been as good as we'd all hoped, I wouldn't be needing to another PS3 game until GT6 arrived, whenever that may be.

I think it's a real shame that PD don't seem to have put their imagination to good use with this. Playing through A-Spec is pretty tedious. Nothing forces you to use evenly matched cars, and all you want are the credits/xp, so you can do the next level up races, in the same car, on the same tracks? There can only be one or two races around Laguna Seca. Every other race is 5 laps of grand valley speedway or something like that.

I can't justify B-Spec to myself at all. Waste of time, and IRL monies keeping the PS3 chugging away. That and if I want to be a spectator, I'll head out to a track. Well, it's BTCC's off-season for now, but anyway.

And 24hr endurance races? What on earth is the point of that? Why not have a 'championship' that involves just racing ~1 h stints or thereabouts? Much more 'realistic'.

First up I really think they need to fix the balancing of credits / xp / cost of some cars. Otherwise, I really can see me putting this game down in the not-too distant future. NFS Shift 2 looks promising, and fair enough it's not quite the same deal, but the last one was fun, had a better track selection, and didn't feel anything like the grind that GT5 is...

Okay, rant over. Back to GT5 after all that :)
 
Look at the Metacritic and GameRankings scores - you may dislike one or two reviewers, but all 50+ of them about the merits of GT5 compared to its predecessors?

It really is the worst GT of the series.

If you are still not convinced, ask yourself this question - did you expect to see this level of detail and commitment to cars in a GT game for current generation consoles?

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agree worst GT to date, others had problems but were stuff i could do with out or just ignore. This one feels like a beta for gt6.
 
Look at the Metacritic and GameRankings scores - you may dislike one or two reviewers, but all 50+ of them about the merits of GT5 compared to its predecessors?

It really is the worst GT of the series.

If you are still not convinced, ask yourself this question - did you expect to see this level of detail and commitment to cars in a GT game for current generation consoles?

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How many of them ignore the physics in their reviews? Most.

GT5 is excellent at what is it's focus, driving simulation. I was driving the Mclaren F1 at a drying ring the other day and I was almost completely fooled into believing I was really there. The only thing missing was a seat to simulate bumps and g-forces

With GT5 I'm getting the best console physics, 16 car online races day and night ring and LeMans , 1,000 rides, 25+ tracks, NASCAR, X1, F1, this is all I could ask for.

Despite some large flaws other content makes GT4 etc look like a Fisher Price toy

As for your pic are you serious? 👎
 
I really think the time has come to make moderators personally decide about allowing threads to be posted and I'm going to make a special plea about it because all of this nonsense has become extremely annoying.

Same things again, again, again..

I would ask that you then throw your weight equally and request that any positive or praiseful threads be shut down also as they are all repeating only the same things over and over again.

I feel as long as we can keep saying how awesome premiums look and how good the physics are, we should be able to keep saying how we feel about what's broken or bad.

That is unless the point isn't to be fair to all but rather to get rid of what you personally don't like to see...
 
hey guys, to start off no, I'm not trolling. I was just talking to a friend last night, and I believe, driving physics, graphics, and online play aside, GT5 may be the worst Gran Turismo yet.

here are my reasons why:


  • having to turn the aids off for EVERY single car in the game (REALLY ANNOYING!!!!)

Considering the game's Pegi rating is 3, I found that comment the most hilarious.

In line with most of the comments, it lacks any qualification as to what the standard should be and why...and of the millions of diverse people who will buy this game, who deserves to fully satisfied with their currency purchase the most.
 
TC .. you forgot a 360 spinning camera in third person view everysingle other racing game has this feature except for gt5 ..

and yes im gonna keep bring up this feature till i get it

i mean whats the point of creating such beautiful cars (premium) if you can fully enjoy them like in Forza 3
 
How many of them ignore the physics in their reviews? Most.
And because of the physics, everything else about the game should be ignored?

It's not like the game is being rated as a 5/10 on Metacritic. It's at 84/100 right now. With all the flaws GT5 has, I'd be wondering about the reviews if GT5 was in fact somewhere in the 90+ range.
It's still a game and there's more to a game then the driving physics, even if it's supposed to be a simulation.
 
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