Worst racing game EVER!

[ThaFlash_LA]

IRacing does not apportion blame either - if someone rams you you both get penalised.

Does one contact in iRacing net you a negative overall rating for the race if you do everything else clean?

 

[Stu-Evo]

Imagine if after a great race, you could select a “Let’s race again” option on a player’s readout on the closing results screen. As a casual player I’d welcome this.

 

[EmArA]

I cannot believe the dirty driving that goes on in “Sport” racing! I have a B rating and cannot get 1 race in bc everyone is SO DIRTY! This is not Grand Theft Auto!! Why do I get penalized when someone runs into me?!! Polyphony Digital should really look into a system like iRacing! I am NEVER going to race GT Sport again!

Here is what happened to me...in the last lap at interlagos, a perfect line in the last corner (before the uphill before the start finish line) which made me gain at the guy at the front and that put me side by side even the pit entry so it was obvious that who will finish first but guess what the guy put me into the wall before the start finish line and i got a penalty for that.
So GT sport is not where you want to race, yes it is fun but the kids are ruining it.

 

[Biggbaddwolf]

For anyone that wants to ditch GT Sport I can wholeheartedly recommend Mario Kart, or Project Cars! Pretty much the same thing

 

[dzumaalcapone]

Yesterdays oval races were really a pain the ass.. Got me thinking maybe I should just go full dirty myself since I'm getting penalized for others actions and races ruined by rammers..

 

[ThePotatoKing]

I have nothing but clean races at SR/S. But I also only race the longer races. Tried the 3-4 lap races a couple times, and people are in way too big of a hurry to push everyone out of the way. So I just avoid the shorter races.

S races may be clean , but the competition is tough. The difference between the pole and last place is almost everytime less than two seconds.

 

[I-Runner]

Yesterdays oval races were really a pain the ass.. Got me thinking maybe I should just go full dirty myself since I'm getting penalized for others actions and races ruined by rammers..

It happened to me also, in ~5 races i had only one time penalization .. but the sum of various "innocents" hits (without modification of the direction or stabilization of the competitor cars) dropped my SR from S to A...

IR

 

[user3392345]

I cannot believe the dirty driving that goes on in “Sport” racing! I have a B rating and cannot get 1 race in bc everyone is SO DIRTY! This is not Grand Theft Auto!! Why do I get penalized when someone runs into me?!! Polyphony Digital should really look into a system like iRacing! I am NEVER going to race GT Sport again!

You have to realise that GT-S is a console racer for the masses, its not something serious or something realistic.

 

[GTWelsh]

You have to realise that GT-S is a console racer for the masses, its not something serious or something realistic.

Feels pretty serious when racing DR-S, DR-A racers all with SR-S at Suzuka, clean but immensely fast, the slightest mistake and boom, 2 places gone with a 3rd overtake looming. I managed to overtake 6 people (11th to 5th) in the Suzuka Gr3 daily at that level and finish without contact with anyone, which happened often, usually any contact was minor as-well, never once punted off all day ( I had a very GTS based new years day )

What I'm trying to say is, GTS can be pretty serious and immensely challenging while remaining extremely clean. If you find the right people / level.

 

[bonusbertie]

You have to realise that GT-S is a console racer for the masses, its not something serious or something realistic.

Is there a game on the consoles which you would class as being "serious and realistic" and, if so, why?

With the FIA being involved it's clealy not the arcade racer you seem to be implying it is.

 

[Imari]

Where is this game that gets all the algorithms right that everyone keeps holding GT Sport up to as a bad example?

And what is it that it does so much better than GT Sport?

Does it exist or are people just creating a false utopia in their heads and deciding that's where the barometer is and to hell with what is actually acheivable with gaming technology today?

iRacing does better, but it's a matter of degrees. There's also the fact that the player base in that game is much less...casual.

Frankly, the GTS systems are pretty decent with a couple of exceptions. It's just that most people don't like to take a look in the mirror and think about what they might have done to avoid the situation. It's always someone else's responsibility to get out of the way. Obviously when every driver thinks like that, incidents abound.

Does one contact in iRacing net you a negative overall rating for the race if you do everything else clean?

Generally not. In iRacing your safety rating is based on incidents per corners driven. Essentially it largely boils down to incidents per race, and while there are different incident penalties for offtrack/light contact/heavy contact/etc., you generally have to have a couple of major incidents before it's impossible to at least break even.

You have to realise that GT-S is a console racer for the masses, its not something serious or something realistic.

That's not exactly how it bills itself. What you're talking about sounds more like Need for Speed.

 

[Oswald07]

So much more fun than iRacing. And the price is better. PD will continue to improve and update this already great game.

And if you have difficulty with dirty racers look at yourself. Do you retaliate. Do you try to pass in unsafe places. If someone dive bombs you into a corner and is clearly a bumper cars racer can you wait for his inevitable mistake? If you can't chill and let it go your gonna have problems. Race clean, dont make many mistakes and you'll end in a better place than you started and your DR will improve as will your SR.

 

[KungFury]

I'd guess people willing to pay irace prices consider themselves more serious about the sport, and have more respect for those around them. That does not make the game better than another game though.

 

[yas]

I guess we need a dedicated SR Rant Thread where people can go and just let it rip. We all need to from time to time and there is no need for each one to have a separate topic

 

[AMG 4 LIFE]

I cannot believe the dirty driving that goes on in “Sport” racing! I have a B rating and cannot get 1 race in bc everyone is SO DIRTY! This is not Grand Theft Auto!! Why do I get penalized when someone runs into me?!! Polyphony Digital should really look into a system like iRacing! I am NEVER going to race GT Sport again!

Thats why i don't play sports mode, only open lobbys. I feel in the open lobbys there is more respect and more serious peoples.

 

[GTWelsh]

Thats why i don't play sports mode, only open lobbys. I feel in the open lobbys there is more respect and more serious peoples.

I used to say just this, however in the recent new year Suzuka Gr.3 daily (the day I decided to make a come back to Sport mode) I had a great time.

 

[sesselpupser]

I cannot believe the dirty driving that goes on in “Sport” racing! I have a B rating and cannot get 1 race in bc everyone is SO DIRTY! This is not Grand Theft Auto!! Why do I get penalized when someone runs into me?!! Polyphony Digital should really look into a system like iRacing! I am NEVER going to race GT Sport again!

Sigh... Is the iRacing forum down or something? You'd think with all the money they squeeze out of you whales they'd at least be able keep you in your echo chamber.

If you can't tell the difference between the audience for a PC game that costs money to buy, money to subscribe to and then more money to get more than the tiny amount of basic content and that of a best-selling console game that was half price a couple of months after launch if not free with hundreds of thousands of consoles bought as Christmas presents then that's entirely on you, not Polyphony Digital.

Sorry for offending some of you with my opinion.. I forgot it’s 2017 and the millennials know how to ‘feel’ now. #triggered

You're entitled to your opinion and encouraged to express it here - just like everyone else. That's apparently a difficult concept for you to grasp but if you're going to use the internet you could at least do your best to keep up or just go home. You could at least do yourself the courtesy of not pulling the "triggered" card as soon as your opinion is challenged - you seem to lack the self-awareness to understand it points to your lack of conviction in your own argument more than anything else, which is frankly kind of sad.

Keep doing your community proud!

 

[OldSilentHill]

To get a clean comunity, first we all have to be clean.

It will become great if we all put our small contribution.

 

[GTWelsh]

The first step and the key to racing clean is to realise the world isn't going to end if you don't win, and if anything, races can be more fun when you don't.

 

[ThaFlash_LA]

Generally not. In iRacing your safety rating is based on incidents per corners driven. Essentially it largely boils down to incidents per race, and while there are different incident penalties for offtrack/light contact/heavy contact/etc., you generally have to have a couple of major incidents before it's impossible to at least break even.

See, that makes sense. My last A race had a single contact where I was pushed out from the inside of a turn for an overtake, ran the entire race clean and lost overall SR. That’s not right. That just means that I have no reason to race the short races until my SR is high enough, though even then, can you really count on 0 contact at all?

It’s more annoying because the 10 lap races take me a good hour-hour and a half to get all set up, put time on the track with the car and race. I usually don’t have that kind of time until I’m too tired to race. The short races are a lot less mentally taxing.

 

[Imari]

See, that makes sense. My last A race had a single contact where I was pushed out from the inside of a turn for an overtake, ran the entire race clean and lost overall SR. That’s not right. That just means that I have no reason to race the short races until my SR is high enough, though even then, can you really count on 0 contact at all?

It’s more annoying because the 10 lap races take me a good hour-hour and a half to get all set up, put time on the track with the car and race. I usually don’t have that kind of time until I’m too tired to race. The short races are a lot less mentally taxing.

You should also know that iRacing doesn't really have short races. The shortest you'll find are 15-20 minutes usually, and higher classes can easily be 45.

If iRacing did have short races, the penalty system works in such a way that it might well be impossible to get a positive overall result after a single incident. There's just not enough time to build up clean racing. I mean, a three lap race is what, somewhere between 4 and 8 minutes depending on the track? If you think about it, one major incident every four minutes isn't a particularly safe driver. I suspect that GTS is accurately reflecting this.

It's just unfortunate that short races are kind of a double whammy, it doesn't allow you time to build up clean racing and it actively incentivises people to drive very aggressively knowing that there's not much time to make up places. In a 20 minute race you can take your time to work through the field and allow other people to make mistakes. In a three lap sprint you have to make the pass happen right now instead of waiting for the right opportunity.

 

[Z Crazy]

I just hate how the rating system has pussified the racing. If you get hit... you lose rating, if you hit back... you lose rating, if you quit... you lose rating. The only option is to move over when a dirty driver is nearby... and that ain't racing. Worse off, if you're faster, moving over isn't really an option, as you'll just catch them again. Yes, when I'm in the S rating matching, the racing is quite good... but if you run into an idiot you'll likely end up slumming it in the lower ratings for a while.

I went from an S rating to a B in one race because of one clown. Now, maybe 5 clean races since (out of 8 races with no relapses) and I'm barely back to an A. WTH?

The only thing I can do, is set a fast lap, and drive a dominant car and stay completely away from everyone else. Yeah it pads the stats, but its not fun.

 

[demeaning pie]

The first step and the key to racing clean is to realise the world isn't going to end if you don't win, and if anything, races can be more fun when you don't.

This.

I have an 11% win ratio in Sport mode and that doesn't stop me from playing. If I had a 90+% win ratio I probably wouldn't play, where's the challenge?

So GT sport is not where you want to race, yes it is fun but the kids are ruining it.

And with a group attitude like this, the clean racing in sport mode will not get any better. The fewer clean racers that show up, the more chances of finding Rammy McRamerson on the grid.


If you're raging about other players in a game, the problem isn't other players, it's you (not directed at you specifically EmArA).

 

[ThaFlash_LA]

You should also know that iRacing doesn't really have short races. The shortest you'll find are 15-20 minutes usually, and higher classes can easily be 45.

If iRacing did have short races, the penalty system works in such a way that it might well be impossible to get a positive overall result after a single incident. There's just not enough time to build up clean racing. I mean, a three lap race is what, somewhere between 4 and 8 minutes depending on the track? If you think about it, one major incident every four minutes isn't a particularly safe driver. I suspect that GTS is accurately reflecting this.

It's just unfortunate that short races are kind of a double whammy, it doesn't allow you time to build up clean racing and it actively incentivises people to drive very aggressively knowing that there's not much time to make up places. In a 20 minute race you can take your time to work through the field and allow other people to make mistakes. In a three lap sprint you have to make the pass happen right now instead of waiting for the right opportunity.

Good point, but since GT is about the short races, as it’s 2/3 of their daily events, it seems like they should adjust their scales to that you actually have a reason to do the short races, or make it out of the lower end without needing to game their system.

Ideally the system should be one where you drive how you drive, regardless of the length. If there is a big disparity between how you drive short vs long, something up. Especially if you’re faster and safer on a long race (according to their metrics).

What if a clean pass actually meant something? Or finishing the race without a penalty?

Ultimately it does seem like they have an interest in a good competitive system, that’ll probably mean good changes and bad changes as they adjust their way to something that works better. It’ll never be absolutely ideal.

 

[demeaning pie]

Ideally the system should be one where you drive how you drive, regardless of the length. If there is a big disparity between how you drive short vs long, something up. Especially if you’re faster and safer on a long race (according to their metrics).

Not sure I follow (or agree). Most every person who races can put in a 100% lap for a few consecutive laps. Most normal human beings cannot go 100% for 10,20 or 30 laps. They either make a mistake that causes them to crash or they make a mistake that causes others to crash. There are only so many safe corners in any given lap to make a pass, then there are questionable corners if timing is right, and then there is the "don't even F*&^*ing try it corner because it always ends badly" corner. More laps = more opportunity to set up for the proper pass, less laps means you are going to try the questionable corners because there is a lack of time to improve your results. Trying at the questionable corners while driving 100% usually leads to disaster for someone.

 

[ThaFlash_LA]

I don’t mean that you have the same strategy; what I mean is that you shouldn’t need to game the system to stay within a reasonable level of your ranking and ability. You shouldn’t need to do a slow 10 lapper to counteract a rough 5 lap race where one guy decided to make everyone’s life hell.

Clearly your strategy on short races will be different, it will be for everyone since you only have 4 laps, and the ratings should be adjusted to account for that. Right now if one guy decides to ruin it for everyone, he can (well for a lot). And the reality of online gaming is that we can expect one clown wherever we go. So if the opposite behavior is encouraged, then you have 11 people racing clean, and 1 clown. Those 11 can benefit from clean corners and passes more than that one clown can punish them. Thus, you’d be able to “drive how you drive”. That’s what I meant.

I hope that’s more clear.

 

[JacksHerer]

Doing away with the visible DR SR so players didn't even know it existed would have been a good thing.

 

[saidaouita]

Welcome to the internet. You must be new here.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

See, that makes sense. My last A race had a single contact where I was pushed out from the inside of a turn for an overtake, ran the entire race clean and lost overall SR. That’s not right. That just means that I have no reason to race the short races until my SR is high enough, though even then, can you really count on 0 contact at all?

It’s more annoying because the 10 lap races take me a good hour-hour and a half to get all set up, put time on the track with the car and race. I usually don’t have that kind of time until I’m too tired to race. The short races are a lot less mentally taxing.

You pretty much have to switch to the 10 lap races if you want to increase your SR while still putting up a good race. You can get 13 points in the Daily C races (and that race I didn't even have the clean race bonus) while A and B are max 4 points. I push off the track, or one yellow flag penalty can already put you on 0 points for the short races. Get pushed into another car that leaves the track and you end up red. In the 10 lap races you can drive 5 people off the road and still get blue. It's broken.

On Bluemoon bay I went from max SR to SR B in 8 races and the racing was no where near destruction derby style. Draft bumping is SR Down each time. However matchmaking is better at SR.B so I'll stay there for a while. Still need to cut the occasional corner not to go up again, as people are still pretty clean at SR.B. I've had much worse SR.S races than the SR.B races today. One thing doesn't change though, trying to win in the first corner. Being at pole on Nurb GP is a curse.

SR is pretty meaningless. They only real effect it has is restrict the match making. While I was DR.B SR.S I usually got matched with DR.S to DR.B with 5+ sec gap in best lap times.

 

[ThaFlash_LA]

That’s exactly what I’m talking about. While SR is pretty meaningless when you’re basically DR.C/SR.B and above, it makes all the difference to get away from the people so new to the game that they can’t drive a straight line.

If they add Spa, Or Long Beach, that should keep first corner shenanigans spicy.

I think it’s going to take a bit of time for there to be enough people in the higher DR’s to consistently fill out races with like classed drivers.