Well I don't think anyone is necessarily claiming that Forza is a better sim per se. I have project cars on the PS4 and it's a really good sim. Unfortunately, it's not much fun with a controller (like I said earlier I don't have a wheel). Dirt is really good on the PS4 even with the controller. So is Driveclub - though again not a sim like p cars. I've heard Assetto suffers from poor controls with the ds4 as well so I'm not all that interested. If I had a wheel set up it would be different...