Would YOU have waited two more years for GT5?

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Would you have waited two more years for GT5?

  • Yes! I would have waited two more years.

    Votes: 76 35.8%

  • No. I would not have waited two more years.

    Votes: 136 64.2%
  • Total voters
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Tenacious D
I just can't get into dry, flavorless PC sims.
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Sounds like you are missing something..

And these were "just" the historic cars, lot of other modern classes are WIP, and great F1, GT mods as well.
GT5 is great for now until mid 2012, but you can't deny rFactor2 have lot of potential.
 
I think it was a good move that PD released GT5 when they did. IMO if we waited 2 more years then we may not have got some features that they have put in since the original release.

The problem I think with PD is that they are doing too much at once with the update's. They should focus on fewer things and get them right rather than just do half job on lots of little bits that could've waited a little while which results in PD looking like they are not doing nearly enough in some area's of the game and too much on others. They need to sort out their priorities.

I think they should stop the apparent "LET'S PLEASE EVERYONE AT ONCE" attitude and focus on the problems that really need sorting in the game. I can wait a little while longer for new 2011 NASCAR cars to come in a later update while they sort out the endurance suspend race bugs. If that makes any sense !!!!

Back on topic... No I wouldn't have waited 2 more years.:yuck:
 
another_jakhole
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GT5 was unfinished in Kaz's eyes. Another 2 years would have finished the game in Kaz's eyes. It's been a year of a small part of the team working on GT5 through online updates. The majority of them are working on GT6.

Nobody gets this?
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Except he's most likely right.
 
another_jakhole
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James Cameron took his time. Nobody really knew about Avatar until it was nearing it's development. Time shouldn't be a factor when you have a genius working on a project. If Kaz was given another 2 years with his entire team...


It's been a year with serious updates. This past year the majority of the team was working on GT6.


Taking that into account,


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GT5 was unfinished in Kaz's eyes. Another 2 years would have finished the game in Kaz's eyes. It's been a year of a small part of the team working on GT5 through online updates. The majority of them are working on GT6.

Nobody gets this?
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Do you work for PD? Have access to their offices? No, I thought not, therefore you are just making baseless assumptions.
 
"Would YOU have waited two more years for GT5?"

As opposed to what exactly? - not actually buying the game two years latter?
 
I would not call it waiting, i would be doing tons of different things.
I would still get the game when it came, GT series hasn't disappointed me yet.
 
It depends.

1000 premiums? Forza-graphic-wise tracks (ie: greater detail)? Current physics system? More A-spec events (that aren't endurance races)? A reworked PP system? And more....

Then yes. But to wait two years for what is now Spec 2.0? No.
 
jergto
DING DING DING DING DING!!!!!

Its been one year and we still have a ton of stuff missing. Granted there are other games out there that aren't perfect as well, but it did take them only two years to make the game. And they already have DLC!!!
You'd think PD or Sony would be motivated to get a DLC out for monetary purposes...

7 years would have been laughable man, and to think some of us bought launch ps3s SPECIFICALLY for GT5. :guilty:
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And the DLC that the other games are now doing is stuff that should have been in the game to begin with, but it's all about money, not what the consumer wants.
 
I don't get the people who think it should've been better to delay it even more than it was. Sure, the game could be better on some points I guess, but that's also why PD keeps updating it through free updates! I also find it ironic that people as begged for DLC ever since the game came out (especially Spa Francorchamps), and now when they've finally released it it's suddenly "too expensive" or "PD are just a bunch of greedy *****" and what not...

Some might say it's thanks to the crybabies the game keeps improving, and maybe they're right, but I think it's better not to act like a spoiled child and instead give constructive feedback on whatever flaws one might find.

EDIT: Oh, and those who say "it took PD much longer to achieve something other developers does in only a year or two", I tell you, that's not the case. Be honest with yourself, how many cars does Forza 4 have that are as accurate to real life and has the same level of detail as GT5's premiums? Not to mention the tracks (Yeah Forza 4 may have 3D grass, but that's irrelevant. I'm talking about accuracy compared to real life counterparts.).
 
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If you're asking if I would have rather PD waited and released the game 2 years later than they did, then no, I have been playing and enjoying GT5 too much over this last year to agree to that.

If you're asking if I would have purchased GT5 2 years later than it was originally released, then yes. I would have grumbled and complained about what was taking so long but I would have still bought it.
 
I would have waited, in the sense that I wouldn't have bought GT5 before it came out but I would have bought it when it did, if you get what I mean. I think PD came dangerously close to Duke Nukem Forever-style endless development resulting in a sub-par, dated game. As much as I hate Call of Duty-style yearly release games (one year of development time is not enough, and that really shows; Call of Duty has made about one year of actual progression in the time between MW1 and Black Ops, and MW3 doesn't look that advanced compared to MW2), there is a middle ground between not enough time and too much time.

Too much time is not good, everyone thinks 'oh, but the things we could achieve if we had time!', but the fact of the matter is, having all the time in the world is a very, very bad thing. For example, I'm a graphic design graduate. Just after I left Uni, I decided I was going to take some time to work on projects and do some freelance work while living at home. I started off well, working hard, but I started to try to do far, far more than was feasible and never actually finished any projects. Deadlines are important, they keep you focused on what's important so you can filter out the unnecessary stuff.

Kazunori's vision is one of huge ambition, and that's great, but GT5 should have been GT6 and GT5 should have come out in 2007/8. No, it wouldn't have been as good as GT5 is now, but it would have been an improvement on GT4. I think the point I'm trying to make is it's all well and good having a vision for the future, but it's very, very bad to try and get there all in one step, especially if it's gaming we're talking about.

TL, DR: PD need to be happy releasing games that don't live up to Kazunori's vision, as long as they are an incremental improvement and eventually lead to a game that does live up to that vision. I really, really hope the unfortunate circumstances behind GT5's release has made Kazunori and all other developers realise that too much time is not good, it's just as bad as not enough time in many ways.


Finally, I don't get why so many people actually want DLC from day/week/month 1, that's ludicrous. GT5's DLC could have come a little bit sooner, sure, but to suggest it should have been out before the end of 2010 baffles me. In any other game, early DLC is just a poke in the eye, saying 'we could have given you this when you paid £40 for the game, but frankly we didn't have to so we'd rather charge you extra for it'. It's greed, nothing more, nothing less, and we as consumers should be 100% against it because if we're not, in three years' time we'll be paying £40 for 50% of what we used to get in the PS2 era, and the other 50% will be overpriced DLC...
 
No, I would have bought an XBox360 and I would be playing that "other" game right now.
 
neema_t
Finally, I don't get why so many people actually want DLC from day/week/month 1, that's ludicrous. GT5's DLC could have come a little bit sooner, sure, but to suggest it should have been out before the end of 2010 baffles me. In any other game, early DLC is just a poke in the eye, saying 'we could have given you this when you paid £40 for the game, but frankly we didn't have to so we'd rather charge you extra for it'. It's greed, nothing more, nothing less, and we as consumers should be 100% against it because if we're not, in three years' time we'll be paying £40 for 50% of what we used to get in the PS2 era, and the other 50% will be overpriced DLC...
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Amen brother. Amen
 
No, the game just wouldn't be able to keep up with the times by then.
 
Nope. The expectations would be much much much much higher as they were already... And I dont think that the game would be that much better...

I think they also would have wasted more time with PD cars, just like the Citroen and the Red Bull X2010/2011...

I think in that time, they surely would have modeled 50-100 more premiums than these two...
 
Yes, I would have waited.
 
Redrkt
And the DLC that the other games are now doing is stuff that should have been in the game to begin with, but it's all about money, not what the consumer wants.
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Why do people always say this about DLC? Sure, some companies do that but what you have to realise is the game has to be finished up long before it is released, up to two months depending on certification.

So with that in mind, let's say it takes a team 4 weeks to model a car. If the game is released in December 2010 it would have been finished a month earlier, so it's perfectly conceivable that since the game was finished a new car was modelled and then released shortly after the game is out.

So no, DLC isn't always content that should have been in the game to begin with, most of the time it's items not completed in time for the main game.
 
There is no way I would have waited two more years. I only bought a PS3 because Gran Turismo was coming out on it. I definately would have stuck to the Xbox 360 and Forza.

I am a huge fan of Gran Turismo but I have to admit sometimes it feels as though GT5 is an obsessive toy that belongs to a millionaire eccentric. It seems insane that there are so many Nissan GTR's and obscure Japanese 80's cars and vans with ridiculously low horsepower, when there are quite a few obvious European cars missing from the roster (Anyone missing a Ferrari 308, 355 or BMW M3 E30 ?)
 
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No.

PD should have done GT5 in 720p, that would have allowed performance overheads to improve shadows and smoke.

Pd shouldn't have bothered with 3D.

Pd shouldn't have bothered with the insane detail on the premiums, the interiors especially are just a complete waste of time and effort which would have been better placed creating more cars.

I realise it was Sony pushing 1080P and 3D so they could sell more Bravia (or whatever) KAz should have told them to shove it up their arses. I'm sure if Sony threatened PD with removal of support, PD could "go" somewhere else.
 
robbo6
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Pd shouldn't have bothered with 3D.

Pd shouldn't have bothered with the insane detail on the premiums, the interiors especially are just a complete waste of time and effort which would have been better placed creating more cars.
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I had forgotten GT5 was in 3D to be honest lol. I agree with you on that

The "Insane" level of detail on premiums I love and that's what makes GT so mental/adorable. I like the fact GT is unlike any other car game. the love is in the detail !
 
Yea the graphical hardware is actually lower than the x360's, I think the only thing keeping the games afloat graphics wise is the strong CPU and blu ray.

Also regardless if they sold DLC 1 month after release or 3, 4, 5, 6, what ever months after release, you are still going to end up paying for it. Whether you wanted it of course. But to be happy that they didn't offer DLC anytime sooner is flat out ludicrous. I guess you don't remember when they were showing off the SPA track before GT5 was out?

Also games like Modern Warfare, MW2, Black Ops certainly offered DLC in half the time it took PD to sort its self out and FINALLY release DLC. And guess what the DLC PD released is nothing but RM'd premiums! How about something new to the table since it took about 11 months to release this DLC? How about some new cars? Maybe a Ferrari F50 or F355, Ford Mustang SVT Cobra or '11 5.0/GT500? More American or European PREMIUMS? LOL, maybe in the next 11 months?

I'm certainly glad they are making us wait, it would be a slap in the face if they came out with a DLC offering more cars in the beginning. :rolleyes:
 
noisiaturismo
PD is sick if they give GT6 for PS4. I bought a :censored:ing PS3 for GT1, GT2, GT5 and GT6.
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Well all you have to do is research about the lifespan of consoles nowadays, actually everything electronics.
 
No need for two more years development. I'm happy with GT5. It has it's flaws but GT evolves and is being improved consistently through patches and DLC. Impossible for Kaz to bring out a GT that pleases everyone, we all have our likes and dislikes about it and Kaz always seems to listen and improve it where he can.
 
Vitzio
7 years for GT5 would've been beyond ridiculous. My answer is an obvious flat-out no.
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Don't kid yourself, you know you'd buy it when it did come out.

Big delays don't make me want to buy a game any less, it just usually means I ignore it until it does come out.
 
I would have waited. 5 years, 7 years, what's the difference? :odd:

Don't answer that it's a rhetorical question.
 
I'm glad they going the route of designing the game on the fly. Quite revolutionary, if you think about it...

As for 3D, I still dont exactly get the point, but I played GT5 3D at a store and it's amazing, if I had the money I would get one of those TVs just to play games, especially GT5.
 
leighton
I had forgotten GT5 was in 3D to be honest lol. I agree with you on that

The "Insane" level of detail on premiums I love and that's what makes GT so mental/adorable. I like the fact GT is unlike any other car game. the love is in the detail !
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Don't get me wrong, I love the detail. BUT, due to the amount of time it takes to model a premium car i think that with PDs limited staff it was a mistake, especially (as I said) the interiors, cockpit is fine, but who really cares about how accurate the rear seats are?!! It was all about resource managment with the GT5 project and I think that PD couldn't do everything they wanted especially with Sony meddling.
 
robbo6
I realise it was Sony pushing 1080P and 3D so they could sell more Bravia (or whatever) KAz should have told them to shove it up their arses. I'm sure if Sony threatened PD with removal of support, PD could "go" somewhere else.
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To add on that, the GTPSP was planned for a release after GT5's release, but that changed. I'm guessing that's part of Sony also. Since Sony ownes PD, there's nothing they could do :indiff:
 
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