I see yeah, pretty lame for me if they did half a job on the sim side, but it is mainly focused on modern cars wrc8 so, maybe not too big a deal. Just wish it was a proper full sim, it's another sign that it isn't. For me, even dr2 feels too easy it seems, i don't mean that I'm so good, just that id expect cars a little harder and less efficient and fast if it's to be a full sim, so even dr2 to me seems a little bit arcadey still. But i like wrc7 so im sure ill like 8, especially it is supposed to be a little more sim? And well, better overall and for wheels, and yes i use a g29 cj. And i love the older cars in dr2 moreso than the even more too grippy modern ones, more character to them and thrill and challenge maybe. Thanks. Edit: and i use the H shifter that goes with it. What's pretty lame also in wrc7 for wheels is i have to keep the ds4 on or it will say disconnected even if i did switch to the wheel in the menu already. Edit: @cjr3559 if i can ask you.., how would you compare wrc7 to 8 in regards to feel? Do cars in 8 feel as if having more mass/heavier? And dig a little more into the dirt? In 7 they feel a little light and seem to keep sliding even at low speed. What's weird is even with no aids they never lock brakes or spin much on throttle it seems, except the fwd cars which spin the front when on slippery surface and uphill from lower speeds. Feels like there is still abs even with no aids? But wrc2 cars on dirt slide sideways easily. Is 8 any different from 7 on these things? I just tried 7 with the wheel in hood view on dirt in wales again and it feels sliddy, like harder than dr2 in that way, but no locking wheels on braking or slidding on power much. I was using the ds4 before in wrc7 because i felt alot of lag but i was using cockpit view. Now that i switched to hood, it seems ok for lag, weird. But i can compared a little better the 2 now i feel. And wrc 7 with the wheel on dirt is pretty hard sliddy. Makes it feel more sim like in a way except for what i mention above. But on tarmac weirdly enough, compared to many here, doesn't feel as good as dirt and as dr2 for me. Edit3: hehehe don't laugh @MrCrynox Well just want to add that since im just back to trying wrc7 with a wheel, i did some adjustment on ffb, was too light, and my sound was low too. It feels pretty damn good now, can notice and feel better the grip. I had set ffb light in the past because of the lag in cockpit with the wheel and it was annoying since i had to over correct late etc. For sure im getting 8 on this discount, and 9 when low priced, for the added rallies/ stages. One little thing that i miss on the wheel is you can't assign a button to the look back function like on the ds4. It's not much use but i just like to check things out sometimes. On dirt with a wheel 7 feels fantastic now but on tarmac not. I wonder how 8 is different, as it's supposed to be so good. Cheers guys. Edit: did they give the list of classic cars that will be added in 9? I only know of the Quattro and toyota, but it's not the sweet gts4 i think. Anyone know more?