WTC 800 Daytona 10 laps
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I haven't done this but short shifting, coasting and fuel map management are the things you did in GTS for fuel saving races. I wouldn't think things are too different here, hopefully ????
- 1,298
- So. California
- UnkaD
I have no clue what to do with this race. The leader runs lap times of around 1:45. I'm running 1:48 or 49 to do a one-stop. Best I've been able to finish is 13th with the TOM's Supra using a high rpm turbo and fuel saving.
If I run the car at full pace fuel is gone in less than 3 laps, but stretching it out means I'm slower than the leader. If I run without the turbo and with a normal fuel map I can make the 5 laps, but I'm slower than all but two AI. There's just nowhere to make up the time on this track.
I tried with the Mazda and I get the same result. I'm 3 seconds off thenpace of the leader. I'm beginning to wonder if there's an issue with this race because it's the first time I've encountered the AI being faster than me in equal equipment.
If I run the car at full pace fuel is gone in less than 3 laps, but stretching it out means I'm slower than the leader. If I run without the turbo and with a normal fuel map I can make the 5 laps, but I'm slower than all but two AI. There's just nowhere to make up the time on this track.
I tried with the Mazda and I get the same result. I'm 3 seconds off thenpace of the leader. I'm beginning to wonder if there's an issue with this race because it's the first time I've encountered the AI being faster than me in equal equipment.
Honestly same as me, I use the fuel map on 6 round the chicanes and 4 on the straights initially, get to about 13th then I have to drop it to 3 to catch anyone, I get up to around 3rd doing this but I'm in the pits at the start of lap 4, I'm back to 15th do it all again just to be back in the pits with it being too late to make a difference. Leader is in the pits once the whole race. I've even tried going into the pits earlier than it says the second time and still can't get near
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- United Kingdom
- breeminator
- breeminator
With the Gr.3 Viper with RH tyres (upgraded supercharger), I've done a fastest lap of 1:43.9 at one stop pace. I used brake balance all the way to the front, TC3, and fuel map 4. I'm on a controller so can't mess with settings while racing. I found fuel map 4 just needs the tiniest bit of short shifting to make it last 5 laps. I had the racing gearbox set to a top speed of 320kph. One thing that made me quite a bit faster was staying in 3rd for the exit from the bus stop, it seems to be both faster and less error prone than dropping to 2nd. I never used 1st gear anywhere.
1:43.9 still isn't enough to actually catch the winner, though. I'm going to try RS and RM tyres next to see if the extra pace outweighs the wear, given that we're one stopping anyway.
Edit: Tried RS and RM now, and I'm not able to keep the tyre wear low enough. I think the pace is there, the first lap in particular is much faster, but even with the brake balance all the way to the front, it wears the rear tyres too much and I start to spin out when braking. I can't consistently hit e.g. 70% braking with the controller to manage the tyre wear, it might be possible with a good wheel and pedals setup.
Another thing I forgot to mention is I had downforce minimum front and rear.
I'm wondering if there might be a Gr.1 car that can be de-tuned to 800? I know it's kind of cheating, but the AI is cheating by starting off with a huge lead that means we have to be able to lap considerably faster than it to catch it.
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I'll try your strategy. I feel like something is off in the pit lane though. I keep losing like 5 extra seconds I shouldn't be. Maybe the AI have more left in their tank so their fill up is quicker but it seems more like it is taking me extra time to get to the box. Can you post your full settings sheet?
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- 458
- Norway
- fairlane305
Set the game difficulty on medium or easy 
- 2,162
- United Kingdom
- breeminator
- breeminator
I don't have any easy way to capture it. I tried using my Elgato, but it's not working with the PS4 and the monitor I'm using. I think I listed everything I changed from the default settings.
I just managed to get 2nd, 13 seconds behind the winner, by using the '16 Gr.2 NSX, doing a no-stopper with RH tyres. That needed fuel map 6 and some short shifting as well. Pretty much every lap I did was in the 1:49s. If it were possible to get rid of some more downforce, I think it could do it, the min downforce is just too much for that track.
- 1,298
- So. California
- UnkaD
I tried it again last night with the Audi Gr.3 prize car from S license and got lucky. I caved and used tcs 2 noticing that I was losing big out of the hairpins. Ran the whole race at fuel map 5 with a high rpm turbo.
Was still only able to do 1:44 pace, but for some reason the 2 lead cars pitted at lap 4 instead of 5 this time, so they had a two-stop strategy. I managed to catch the Aston that was running 3rd, and by lap 9 my tires were giving up. Sweating bullets, but at the end of lap 9 the Aston made another stop, so it was free sailing from there.
I guess it's just a matter of luck if the lead AI decide to do a two-stop because there is no way to catch them otherwise. Keep plugging away and hopefully they'll do it. Maybe back out from the race menu to reset conditions? AI behavior might be randomized.
Was still only able to do 1:44 pace, but for some reason the 2 lead cars pitted at lap 4 instead of 5 this time, so they had a two-stop strategy. I managed to catch the Aston that was running 3rd, and by lap 9 my tires were giving up. Sweating bullets, but at the end of lap 9 the Aston made another stop, so it was free sailing from there.
I guess it's just a matter of luck if the lead AI decide to do a two-stop because there is no way to catch them otherwise. Keep plugging away and hopefully they'll do it. Maybe back out from the race menu to reset conditions? AI behavior might be randomized.
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- United Kingdom
- breeminator
- breeminator
I've just managed to win it (vs Hard AI) with the '16 NSX Gr.2, doing a no-stopper 17:57. The setup, if anyone wants to copy it:
Tyres RH
Suspension: default
Diff: default
Downforce 700 / 850
ECU Output 96
Ballast 200 / -15
Power Restrictor 70
Gearbox: Fully customisable racing, top speed 320kph
Turbocharger: High RPM
Anti-lag system: On
Brake balance -5 (fully to front)
This was 799.75 PP
I used TC1
If you look at the power curve, you'll see for peak performance you want to shift around 8000rpm, and this is when the bar is only 1/4 red. I changed the fuel map during the race, so I'm not 100% sure what map would last the whole race if every shift is at 1/4 bar. Some of the time I shifted earlier than 1/4 bar, right when the bar first had red at the left. I used 2nd out of all the slow corners, 3rd out of the bus stop. It does need a high fuel map, I did many laps at fuel map 6, but some lower. It's hard to say what is ideal, e.g. you can maybe do it at map 4 if you shift as soon as the bar turns red, or 6 if you shift at 1/4 bar, not sure which is fastest.
Edit: Just did it again, 17:55 no-stop, I think fuel map 5 all the way and shifting around 20% red bar is about right. You can also save fuel behind the other cars early on by shifting early to 6th and letting the slipstream do the work. The 2nd placed driver in the Viper only did one stop, but I was 4.2 seconds ahead at the finish. I was mostly lapping in the 1:47s.
Tyres RH
Suspension: default
Diff: default
Downforce 700 / 850
ECU Output 96
Ballast 200 / -15
Power Restrictor 70
Gearbox: Fully customisable racing, top speed 320kph
Turbocharger: High RPM
Anti-lag system: On
Brake balance -5 (fully to front)
This was 799.75 PP
I used TC1
If you look at the power curve, you'll see for peak performance you want to shift around 8000rpm, and this is when the bar is only 1/4 red. I changed the fuel map during the race, so I'm not 100% sure what map would last the whole race if every shift is at 1/4 bar. Some of the time I shifted earlier than 1/4 bar, right when the bar first had red at the left. I used 2nd out of all the slow corners, 3rd out of the bus stop. It does need a high fuel map, I did many laps at fuel map 6, but some lower. It's hard to say what is ideal, e.g. you can maybe do it at map 4 if you shift as soon as the bar turns red, or 6 if you shift at 1/4 bar, not sure which is fastest.
Edit: Just did it again, 17:55 no-stop, I think fuel map 5 all the way and shifting around 20% red bar is about right. You can also save fuel behind the other cars early on by shifting early to 6th and letting the slipstream do the work. The 2nd placed driver in the Viper only did one stop, but I was 4.2 seconds ahead at the finish. I was mostly lapping in the 1:47s.
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- breeminator
- breeminator
Tried the same Gr.2 NSX '16 for the WTC 800 at Dragon Trail, and it's hilariously faster than the Hard AI, I won by 52 seconds and its lap times are faster by even more than that, it's just hard to overtake early on because the NSX is so much faster through the corners but the AI cars park themselves on the racing line in front of you.
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- Indianapolis, IN
- Gibson_Washburn
I have difficulty set to hard, and took 2nd after three attempts where I ran out of fuel or took too long in the pit.
use aggressive fuel conservation. 3 an 4. Toggling all the time. Turn it rich when you want a boost and lean when up to speed or when in the infield.
Hard tires, do not change them! take fuel only on lap 5, fill it up!!!! Do skimp..
At points when I was hauling it, I kicked it up to 6 on the map.
no secret tune, all fuel conservation. Like when you watch real drivers constantly switching the TCS and Fuel Map in F1 or GT, several times in a lap. Don’t burn all your fuel wide open on the outfield, map 2 is plenty.
use aggressive fuel conservation. 3 an 4. Toggling all the time. Turn it rich when you want a boost and lean when up to speed or when in the infield.
Hard tires, do not change them! take fuel only on lap 5, fill it up!!!! Do skimp..
At points when I was hauling it, I kicked it up to 6 on the map.
no secret tune, all fuel conservation. Like when you watch real drivers constantly switching the TCS and Fuel Map in F1 or GT, several times in a lap. Don’t burn all your fuel wide open on the outfield, map 2 is plenty.
- 1,925
- United States
I won it on hard with about 17 seconds to spare using the Lambo VGT. Had to majorly detune the monster V12 in it to qualify for entry and had to run full lean to make it a one stop race. Ran out of fuel entering the pits and just before I crossed the finish line even though I had been coasting into the corners to save fuel (luckily it has excellent engine braking.)
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The way I did this is I had my fuel all the way set on power, and tried to catch up to the lead car. Once I got to poll position I used lean fuel(either 3 or 4) to stay with the lead cars and draft off of them. Once the lead cars go into the pits (beginning of lap 6) I go in with them and only refuel and after that it’s all power from there. You have to play it carefully because I had only .2 laps of fuel remaining when I finished
I thought NOS adds more oxygen to the same about of fuel, creating a more explosive mixture. If you needed more fuel, you'd need a remap or bigger injectors etc. before you could get the power, but that isn't how NOS is used.
Never used NOS irl though. There will be some modders on here who have done.
Everything you said is 100% spot on! My experience is exactly the same. I wonder if there's an issue with this race. A few people on Reddit have mentioned this race being unusually difficult as well.
Which car did you use? Also, if you set fuel to Power in order to catch up to poll position, won't you have to pit like at 2 or 3rd lap? If so then that's a major gamble, since 1st place AI won't pit until probably 5th or even 6th lap!
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- breeminator
- breeminator
Insane no-stop pace with the Tomahawk S. You can use the hybrid power with the overtake button down every straight section all race long.
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- United States
I'm surprised you were able to detune it enough to even qualify for the race. 🤣
- 600
- DeolTheBeast
I'll repeat the "trick" again - took this from another poster in another thread and it worked wonders....
If you have golded the final set of mission hall challenges, you unlock the Chapparal 2J.
Buy power restrictor and ballast. You can get it to around 525hp 900kg (roughly) on Racing Hards and under 800pp (799.9 I got).
It will DESTROY everything including the rabbit Viper on fuel setting 6 from start of the race. Tyre degradation is negligible so no worries there. Pit on circa lap 7 , refuel and you are good to use map 4/5 for remainder of the race and win comfortably.
The fan on the car actually works and you can carry ridiculous speed through corners, often 20-30mph higher than the Gr3 cars.
It works for all the WTC800 events and saved me wasting time with Gr3 cars.
I play on controller and hardest difficulty (not that makes a difference).
If you have golded the final set of mission hall challenges, you unlock the Chapparal 2J.
Buy power restrictor and ballast. You can get it to around 525hp 900kg (roughly) on Racing Hards and under 800pp (799.9 I got).
It will DESTROY everything including the rabbit Viper on fuel setting 6 from start of the race. Tyre degradation is negligible so no worries there. Pit on circa lap 7 , refuel and you are good to use map 4/5 for remainder of the race and win comfortably.
The fan on the car actually works and you can carry ridiculous speed through corners, often 20-30mph higher than the Gr3 cars.
It works for all the WTC800 events and saved me wasting time with Gr3 cars.
I play on controller and hardest difficulty (not that makes a difference).
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- Twentyvalve
I detuned the Sauber C9 to 800, and it has no issues with the 800PP races. only need to pit for fuel once, and typically only need a short fuel stop too.
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- breeminator
- breeminator
- 1,925
- United States
You inspired me. I took the super formula and got it to qualify for not only the 800 races but the 700 races too. Faster in both than the competition and you don't have to stop for tires or fuel either since it's so light.
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