WTF! GT4 is NOT online

[The359]

More Skylines, Evos, Imprezas, Legacys...

If you were anticipating that GT4 WOULDN'T have a lot of those, you obviously missed the boat here...

More crappy 'City' tracks...

Cote d'Azur (Monaco) is a crap city track?

 

[DMotion]

DAMN this suckes so bad!

 

[SaintKamus]

I did not need online mode in GT1, I did not need it in GT2, and I still didn't need it in GT3.

I don't need it in GT4 either.

I am here to drive some very beautiful cars around some equally beautiful tracks. The skill of the AI or even of other human players matters not, I can drive without them at all (as I'm sure most do anyway). I am here to drive. Getting 100% in the game by beating the AI up is just for novelty factor. You can have complete fun with this game without ever taking on Sim Mode. Anything else beyond the fact that I am able to race is just icing on the cake, and we already know from the GT formula that the cake is indeed good.



Beyond that, this new game coming in 2005 could very well be an addon to GT4. GT4 may keep the rudamentary coding for online game play, and the upcoming game could be used to implement it, thus allowing online mode for GT4. This means that online play will get more development time and be PERFECTED.

Unless you guys want a lot of 98.6% glitches again...

hey, good for you, you don't play GT series to be competitive, just to have fun, wich is cool and all, but a LOT of people play racing games.. to guess what? BE competitive!, that's right, now you tell me what the hell is the point of spending hours and hours polishing your skills at nurburgring if the AI is so dumb you won't even need to learn the track properly (yes, you can quote me on this, if the AI is HALF as good as a skilled player or HALF as fun to play against then i won't make any predictions in my entire life)
and i'm sorry, but there is no "perfect" gt4 with out online, i was VERY disapointed GT3 didn't have it, and now this just goes to show that PD doesn't give a rat's ass about competitive play, they just want a museum like experience of cars, you tell me the point behind getting lap times down to perfection if you don't need half the skill to beat stupid AI wich will just follow a racing line regardless if you're in their path or not.
seriously... most people will use photo mode for a very short time.. MOST people will not even TOUCH the director mode thing, so why waste resources there instead of online play? if there's something that makes games have replay value is that, i stoped playing GT3 YEARS ago because there comes a point you just get bored of playing stupid AI (not to mention the fact that GT3 gameplay was arcade = BORING after you finish the game)
but i'll be damned if i wouln't be playing the game today if it had online play, GT4 will pretty much be the same for me... as soon as i finish it i'm not even gonna bother touching it again unless i go trough the painfull procedure of gathering up 5 friends to play on LAN (wich is the only way i still play GT3 a few times a year).
really, they just completley killed the replay value on this. this just went from "YOU MUST HAVE THIS EVEN IF IT COSTS 100 BUCKS!" to "rent it, get bored with it, never play it again"

the people who don't care about the fact it won't include an online mode have obviously never played an online game competitivly, if you had, you'd realize just how important this was, ever wonder why an outdated game like counterstrike or Starcraft is still played rigorously by thousands of players even though the game's graphics (and gameplay) is so outdated by now?
yes.. online play.. ever wonder why people STILL play grand prix legends even though the thing came out in1997? yes... online play (nevermind the fact that the game is a true simulator in ways GT4 might still not be able to reach).
if those examples aren't enough to show you why online mode is 100000000000000 times more important than useless features like "photo mode, director mode, arcade mode" and just about evry new features that true racing fans will just test for a bit and then go "that's nice... but all i want to do is race" then you are hopeless and have not ever played an online game competitivly.
damn, i still can't get over this, my driving force pro will be collecting dust now shortly after i'm done with GT4 single player (at least untill GTR comes along, that will make my purchase worth while) 👎

 

[_aj]

Online racing is fun, it's amazing fun in fact, to race against people as good or as bad as you and watching them defend the racing line as you try and pass is quality. GT4 will be a good game but without online functionality it won't be a great game imo buit I would like to be proved wrong.

And please PD put SpA in their !!

 

[TheCracker]

I personally don't have broadband yet, so i would'nt miss not having online play. But i do object to having to wait over a year for a game which had been delayed because of the online problems - only to find out that it won't be online after all, and further more i'll have to fork-out another £40 (on top of any broadband subscription and the cost of a network adapter) and wait probably another 6 months+ if i do decide to play it online!

*sighs* Buying an Xbox and a copy of Forza now seems like a possibility.

- Polyphoney Digital will be back on Bill Gates Christmas Card list, if more like-minded people follow suit!

Cote d'Azur (Monaco) is a crap city track?

No, its a real track..... but its still not a great track to play on.

 

[GrF.:satan-san:]

from europe

hi folks

**** YOU SONY .... 1 year and still the same **** from 2003. they needed 1 year to know , that they are not able to make a online part on it ...

365 days of ......... why wait 1 year sell it 03 withou online ****.........

damn i quit gaming , no games are online , im mean for what do we need the ehter..adap. for what no killer game online........ sry but im very very...

so now i must buy with bloody tears and with some hartattacks and Ybox and
play there forza....... i hope mircosoft kick them in da but ( im $ONY boy ) so they wacke up once ... sry for mz bad english but i and manz others
, have wait 1 year for nothing ------- zero niente null nada

vaya cambrones de mierda .....

here i come Billyboy ...... bling bling

 

[The359]

that's right, now you tell me what the hell is the point of spending hours and hours polishing your skills at nurburgring if the AI is so dumb you won't even need to learn the track properly (yes, you can quote me on this, if the AI is HALF as good as a skilled player or HALF as fun to play against then i won't make any predictions in my entire life)

What was the point of playing GT1, GT2, or GT3 for hours and hours? Don't act like this "lack" of competition is something suddenly new

And I do know about online game playing, and I still do not have a NEED for it. Besides, who removed the 2nd Player Controller Port from your PS2?

And anyone who thinks PD wasted a year doing nothing now that online play isn't in needs to kindly wake up and get a clue.

You people should be glad there is a game and improvements at all. You could have nothing instead. Stop whining like little children.

 

[_aj]

Ah well looks like TOCA RD2 will be the ultimate online racer for PS2 now, and with the inclusion of Pro-Sim and support for the DFP GT4 might just slip down the ranks for once. Come on RD2 we need you !! (October baby yeah !!)

 

[Leo_Straight6]

Looks like GT4 is loosing alot of its credentials because of this.

I am very disapointed as well. Though he has not completely stuffed us up.

Common an extra 150 cars is a HUGE commpensation present.!!!

And they will release an online version for PS2 next year so what? Use that time to practice your driving skills and then go head to head with your cars from your GT4 save game

 

[SaintKamus]

What was the point of playing GT1, GT2, or GT3 for hours and hours? Don't act like this "lack" of competition is something suddenly new

And I do know about online game playing, and I still do not have a NEED for it. Besides, who removed the 2nd Player Controller Port from your PS2?

And anyone who thinks PD wasted a year doing nothing now that online play isn't in needs to kindly wake up and get a clue.

You people should be glad there is a game and improvements at all. You could have nothing instead. Stop whining like little children.

second controller port? you're serious or just joking? first off, it SUCKS to play in split screen, second of all, 2 player races are no fun compared to 6 players races (hell, 6 player races aren't half as fun as 20 cars+ player races, but i can live with that)
and i am aware that PD did a lot in one year... too bad just not where it counts, have fun with your photo mode, director mode and what not, i'll give you a few days and then you won't ever touch those features again. meanwhile people have played online games for years rigorously because of the replay value it offers, it's a good thing i'm covered on the PC front with GTR, or my purchase on the Driving Force PRO would've been useless. (why invest 150 bucks on a game that you'll get bored with in a few months TOPS?)

and i'm sorry if i'm "whining like little children" but it's not like the game's gonna be free, so you can stop right there.
if sony continues with this trend (having online play as unimportant) they'll eventually get beat by the xbox (at least in the US, and with next gen consoles, it's too late for this curernt generation). i mean.. seriously, if a game like F355 challenge had an ONLINE MODE via MODEM on the DREAMCAST (!) why can't PD do it about 5/6 years later?
in GT3 i thought they had no choice because there wasn't a network adapter for the PS2, wich dissapointed me quite a bit, considering older harware like the dreamcast had network built in, too bad SEGA's first GREAT console (all other sega hardware sucked compared to how good the DC was in ALL fronts, from marketing to performance.) got killed by sony's marketing machine (nothing else folks, the dreamcast hardware was actuallly pretty damn good),
and now what's defenetly going to be an inferior game all around (forza) will have a lot more replay value than GT4 just because of this.

 

[Civ]

I was looking forward to racing online, but alas it ain't gonna happen now.
Well, there's next year's online "version" to buy again I guess...

 

[Ev0]

I was looking really forward to the online mode for GT4. Am I pissed off? NO! Why? This game will be what GT3 was supposed to be, with hundreds and hundreds of cars, dozens and dozens of tracks, and to top it all off, other neat features and of course, the graphical improvement.

All you noobs just need to calm down, because it's not like KY said that GT will never go online, and we will get online in 2005. Quit your whining, and just enjoy what you get, good things come to those who wait.

 

[l33tc4k30fd00m]

HAHAHA! Oh man! This is even more funny than when it came out that the main character would be black in GTA:SA.

No amount of *****ing on your part is gonna bring online back into GT4. You do realize that PD REALLY couldn't do it right? Or do you think that PD is removing online play just to spite you all? Get a damn clue.

It's only a bloody game and you know you're gonna buy it anyway. PD will be more worried about the mainstream players.

 

[SaintKamus]

I was looking forward to racing online, but alas it ain't gonna happen now.
Well, there's next year's online "version" to buy again I guess...

brilliant move boy PD here, pay two times for the same game, and i bet they won't even get online play right on that second version, if they don't include a "single player like experience" where instead of playing AI in the "simulation mode" you get to play live people then why the hell do this?
basic online funtionality would've been enough, but now we won't even get that.
i got bored FAST of GT prologue, and even though it will take me longer to get bored of the full game i'll still get bored pretty damn fast. man, what a waste of tracks and cars. most people won't even care to get great at them now, because as long as you take the gold on the sim mode, who cares how good you really are?

 

[shirakawaa]

Looks like GT4 is loosing alot of its credentials because of this

Actually, most GT4 buyers won't care about missing or incomplete online features. The GT series has been and will be mostly a single-player game, focusing on cars more than competition/racing. Sales loss because of this (if any) will be close to nothing.

Moreover (this applies to every console with online capabilities), most people don't even have a quality broadband connection or have it at all; those who do will have to choose between dedicating theirs to their Playstation during their play time or buy a hub/router, a network card and cables, to share their broadband connection with their pc (since a bb connection only for ps2 online games is wasted). Plus, GT4 online was meant to be region limited (USA, Europe, Japan/Asia, etc).

Let's add extra costs (bb subscriptions, hardware equipment, etc), limited online game modes compared to single players' (since GT4 online mode *is a bonus*), online experience quality due to lag and speed, and it's clear that it really doesn't matter much if online playing will be in or not.

Still, GT4 full online capabilities could have been a nice addiction.

 

[SaintKamus]

HAHAHA! Oh man! This is even more funny than when it came out that the main character would be black in GTA:SA.

No amount of *****ing on your part is gonna bring online back into GT4. You do realize that PD REALLY couldn't do it right? Or do you think that PD is removing online play just to spite you all? Get a damn clue.

It's only a bloody game and you know you're gonna buy it anyway. PD will be more worried about the mainstream players.

jesus, another idiot, get a damn clue, if SEGA AM2 could get limited online funtionality 6 years ago on a dreamcast there's no reason for PD not to include the OPTION (that's right, people who don't care about online DONT HAVE TO PLAY IT!).
PD needs to understand that BECAUSE this is a racing game, lag will ALWAYS be an issue, there's no defying the laws of physics, 1000 years could go by and the speed of light will still be the same (meaning, lag in online games, wich affect racing games more than any other genere). that's why they should've just included a "true online racing mode" with a huge warning of how it affets the "GT experience" YM cries so much about, and added a second, F355 like experience where you "race" others but can't crash into them, you'd be able to see them race, but not crash into them, and then in the replay you'd have a 100% lag free replay. but it seems they didn't even consider such an option.

 

[Sambert]

they just turned a game with LOTS of potential into potentially crap, i for one see NO incentiva at all in playing single player wasting countless hours just to beat the ****ings tupid AI, i was going to buy this as soon as it came out along with one of those new PS2's. but now... not, now it will be a rental for me, good job PD.

67 posts on this forum, and then you claim that you will rent GT4 because of the lack of online…off you go then, go and play Forza or some other mediocre title. GT games have unparalleled depth that you seem unable to tap into…PD truly recreates the world of cars and for that I am truly thankful.

Feeling competitive, want to show the world your speed…post your lap times on the GT data base… Hmm let me see, you don’t want to play unless you can shunt others off the track…

 

[MistaY]

Well then don't buy GT4, get Forza/GTR/PRD2 play online and shut up.

Edit: Not Sambreto.

 

[SaintKamus]

Actually, most GT4 buyers won't care about missing or incomplete online features. The GT series has been and will be mostly a single-player game, focusing on cars more than competition/racing. Sales loss because of this (if any) will be close to nothing.

Moreover (this applies to every console with online capabilities), most people don't even have a quality broadband connection or have it at all; those who do will have to choose between dedicating theirs to their Playstation during their play time or buy a hub/router, a network card and cables, to share their broadband connection with their pc (since a bb connection only for ps2 online games is wasted). Plus, GT4 online was meant to be region limited (USA, Europe, Japan/Asia, etc).

Let's add extra costs (bb subscriptions, hardware equipment, etc), limited online game modes compared to single players' (since GT4 online mode *is a bonus*), online experience quality due to lag and speed, and it's clear that it really doesn't matter much if online playing will be in or not.

Still, GT4 full online capabilities could have been a nice addiction.

sadly, i got to agree, most people in the end are just casual gamers, but that doesn't mean it justifies PD's desicion, because a LOT of people WOULD play online, and it's online players that are the most loyal fanbase (online players keep the games alive for years and years, just look at counter strike as one example).
will it hurt sales? DEFENETLY, by a lot? who knows, and who cares, i don't care about how well it sells, i care of what it has to offer, and they just took the best part of it, will i buy it? NO. will i rent it? YES.
they just lost 45 bucks right there.
i COULD go out and buy it, but since they have now promised an online version of it (we'll just have to see about that...) and i'm not willing to pay two times for the same game, i'll just wait for that, and if by then GTR doesn't have my complete attention then i'll buy that. but if GTR is half as good as i except it to be then they just lost my money to them. (i could buy both, but i see no strong reason, since i play to be competitive, and dividing my time between two different games would just mean i wouln't be good enough in both.)

 

[hellnback]

There could be a light at the end of the tunnel, maybe when the online finally does come it could be with a larger fields, rather than *just* 6 cars, maybe 12 or something...

Maybe because online is no longer a feature of GT4, Le Mans circuit could be included??? Maybe even one or two or even three of the manufacturers everyone is dying to know about.

Personally I don't have broadband, so I won't miss online ATM, but 'building' a car to perform at a certain track has already been discussed by my friends and I...

 

[Bonsai]

Honestly i think Sony is trying to rip their customers off. Paying 3 times to get one game ( GT4P, GT4, GT4 online) ? Boy i think that is arrogant. Do they really think in 2005 the good old lag will have dissapperead ? Man something like this really makes me mad ... RIPPOFF PERIOD !!!

 

[SaintKamus]

67 posts on this forum, and then you claim that you will rent GT4 because of the lack of online…off you go then, go and play Forza or some other mediocre title. GT games have unparalleled depth that you seem unable to tap into…PD truly recreates the world of cars and for that I am truly thankful.

Feeling competitive, want to show the world your speed…post your lap times on the GT data base… Hmm let me see, you don’t want to play unless you can shunt others off the track…

i got an idea, howbout you stop putting words on other people's mouth, and i'm sorry, but i don't find "post your times here" very exciting, so sue me. i'm sure GT4 will be a great game, i am not saying that the lack of online game will magicly make the game suck, what i AM saying is that they have just killed the replay value for me in the long run, after i finish the game i won't ever boot up the game again (just like GT3) unless i gather up with some friends to play on LAN (wich is very fun... but since it's so hard to gather up 6 people, with 6 ps2's and 6 GT4's at the SAME time on the same place i can only do it a few times a year, if not just once a year).
and being competitive in time attacks is one thing, being competitive with other cars at the track is quite another, people crack under pressure and there are consequences, could you explain to me how a time attack compares to that? time attacks are fun too.. just not nearly as fun.

 

[l33tc4k30fd00m]

jesus, another idiot, get a damn clue, if SEGA AM2 could get limited online funtionality 6 years ago on a dreamcast there's no reason for PD not to include the OPTION (that's right, people who don't care about online DONT HAVE TO PLAY IT!).
PD needs to understand that BECAUSE this is a racing game, lag will ALWAYS be an issue, there's no defying the laws of physics, 1000 years could go by and the speed of light will still be the same (meaning, lag in online games, wich affect racing games more than any other genere). that's why they should've just included a "true online racing mode" with a huge warning of how it affets the "GT experience" YM cries so much about, and added a second, F355 like experience where you "race" others but can't crash into them, you'd be able to see them race, but not crash into them, and then in the replay you'd have a 100% lag free replay. but it seems they didn't even consider such an option.

LOLOL GET A DAMN CLUE! I see what you did there.

Jesus people.

Lets just pretend you're right for a second. Which you're not because you have no idea what problems PD had with the online side.

How long has it been since PD first said they had problems? A year?

What are we getting after all of that? A full online mode?

Either they really had problems or I guess PD must be having a grand ol' time at PD HQ crushing your dreams for laughs.

 

[yeti]

I strongly suspect that the GT4-Online CD will be an expansion pack for GT4... and therefore will be priced appropriately... I would be Very extremely miffed off if they tried to sting everyone another 40 notes for the online version of the same game...

I suspect that GT4-online will come in 2 forms... Expansion disk for plug in to existing owners of GT4 (cheap)... and full version of GT4 with online ability (Full price).

As I said earlier I wouldn't've missed the online ability until 2006 and possibly later (This is the earliest time I would've had a chance of playing it) and by then this problem will be resolved... hopefully cheaply for existing GT4 owners.

I can understand why people will be miffed off about this and I would be too if I could get online... But I've always said that the Online version is an addition and not the main part of the game I will be playing!!

C.

 

[cobragt]

They should make up for this by putting ferrari, lambo and porsche in. If those were in, I wouldn't even care about the online portion.

 

[Sambert]

sadly, i got to agree, most people in the end are just casual gamers, but that doesn't mean it justifies PD's desicion, because a LOT of people WOULD play online, and it's online players that are the most loyal fanbase

Saint is the essence of a casual GT gamer: ‘I’m bored of prologue/I stopped playing GT3 ages ago/I won’t buy without online/what’s the point of playing if you can’t show people how good you are’


Well your loss mate…we’re not here to convince you of GT goodness. Anyway if GT now means so little to you then I presume we will not have the pleasure of your company for much longer…👍

 

[Shen Yin]

If they plan on releasing the online mode as a "different game", then it means that most likely they'll pull a Twisted Metal Black on everyone. As in, release the core game and when all of the online kinks are completed, release the expansion pack later on for either free or included with something (as the game does have HDD support). Named, "GT Online"; the "different" game name. I admit, I was disappointed when first hearing this. However, I'd rather wait for them to perfect it and delay the component for a 2005 release date, than to rush a crucial multiplayer community aspect and dump it for a quick $$$ release date.

Disappointing, but understandable. So I'll wait.....

Ah well, 650 vehicles, eh? Where's the latest pics n' vids?

 

[Dev_Zero]

I'm a bit disappointed I must say. I was really looking forward to playing against other GT fans. Mainly because I don't have many friends that will buy GT4 and are willing to set up a LAN. Posting lap times is really boring, because you're just racing against... no-one really.

What does intrigue me however, is that the Gamespot article said the memory card will be able to hold 1k cars. Why do that if you have ~650 cars. I think we can expect a lot more cars. KY is just working his ass off right now to make the GT4 experience as good as possible without online play.
B-spec mode might be nice for endurance races (as long as you don't have to say it everytime the AI player needs to pit). I don't think I will use the mode in any other section of the game.
They better not be expecting me to pay the full price when the online version ships.

 

[super supra]

omg! this aint true!

 

[Solid Lifters]

They should make up for this by putting ferrari, lambo and porsche in. If those were in, I wouldn't even care about the online portion.

Heh, this reminds me of this rumor I heard well over a year ago about the plan PD had to include Ferrari as a "online bonus" only, and not to have them included into the regular game. This rumor came from a guy at a different website claiming he worked for PD. I'll stand upon my head, until my ears turn red if this comes true. Heh.