WTF is up with tyre model.

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Few weeks back I was going round Nurburgring 24hr on Racing Softs in a Mazda 787B and I was getting 4-5 laps out of them, then I come back today in the same car the same track and same tyres and there shot within 3/4 of a lap are real tyres like this if not then why have they changed the model to this **** one.
 
Update 2.02 means that the tyres actually wear out in the right order. Mind you, they all wear out rather fast altogether.
 
Well they need to sort it I carn't see tyres wearing out this fast in real life people would end up spending millions of pounds/dollars
 
All the tires are Garbage now with the tire wear. Last night I was doing a sgt race and rm last one lap longer for everyone on grand valley then rs. Most of us just decided to use rs because of the excessive amount of tire wear for the tires.
 
Detoxification
Ya racing softs are kinda like that. They are not meant for long laps just quick hot laps.
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If they changed the model for hot laps why didn't they just add the qualifying tyres that we saw in GT4.
 
FuSiioN_HaVoC
Well they need to sort it I carn't see tyres wearing out this fast in real life people would end up spending millions of pounds/dollars
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Well to be fair, Racing Softs are supposed to be qualifying tires. Various categories had such tires over the years, though they are rather uncommon currently.

F1 once had qualifying tires that wore about as fast as the RS tires we have right now. Likewise, their grip was phenomenal.
 
I gurantee you tyre manufactures for non endurance racing purposely give the tyres little life. I think the team at pd were somehow fooled to think this is the best any tyres can behave and implemented this model to everything
 
Morphisor
Well to be fair, Racing Softs are supposed to be qualifying tires.
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Says who?

Various categories had such tires over the years, though they are rather uncommon currently.
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Rather uncommon? Plenty of series have soft racing tyres, including F1. They last much longer than those in GT5.

F1 once had qualifying tires that wore about as fast as the RS tires we have right now. Likewise, their grip was phenomenal.
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Yes but again who said the soft tyres in GT5 are 1 lap qualifying tyres? Those such tyres are usually called super soft.
 
The issue is not with tyre's wearing out differently, rather their differing rates of wear.
 
SimonK
Says who?



Rather uncommon? Plenty of series have soft racing tyres, including F1. They last much longer than those in GT5.


Yes but again who said the soft tyres in GT5 are 1 lap qualifying tyres? Those such tyres are usually called super soft.
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They are.

Think about it, on a ~2 minute circuit, you'd have a compound that would give you a warm up lap, hot lap, and out lap, before being worn out. 6 minutes and its done. Qualifying tire. Definitely.
 
seanneedscar
They are.

Think about it, on a ~2 minute circuit, you'd have a compound that would give you a warm up lap, hot lap, and out lap, before being worn out. 6 minutes and its done. Qualifying tire. Definitely.
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Hmmm. The next available tire. Racing medium I suppose, that's good for 18 or so laps of Spa? Racing hards maybe 28? I don't know. Do they last that long.
 
PD totally cocked up the tyre wear thing,
1st of all the tyre wear isnt reflecting to the grip that the RS tyres are offering. A tyre that wears out so quickly should have extreme grip.
2nd even the RH tyres arent lasting any more
3rd if you are in a track with weather change and you set 5% surface water you can do 50 laps with RS with minor impact to time, and that is just ridiculous.
 
Spagetti69
Hmmm. The next available tire. Racing medium I suppose, that's good for 18 or so laps of Spa? Racing hards maybe 28? I don't know. Do they last that long.
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Not with the tire wear right now. Most tracks you are lucky if you can get 1 to 2 more laps out of rm over rs. I have made mediums last around 11 laps at spa in the nismo gtr. Probably could have gone one more lap but there is no point when you start running a second or two slower in lap times.
 
sdf
PD totally cocked up the tyre wear thing,
1st of all the tyre wear isnt reflecting to the grip that the RS tyres are offering. A tyre that wears out so quickly should have extreme grip.
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I think the racing softs are more than sufficient in the sticky department. Any more grip and you border on making it an arcade game.
 
seanneedscar
They are.

Think about it, on a ~2 minute circuit, you'd have a compound that would give you a warm up lap, hot lap, and out lap, before being worn out. 6 minutes and its done. Qualifying tire. Definitely.
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Yes I know they currently wear as fast as that but they don't claim to in the description, do they? What would be the point, the game doesn't even feature quali so why would they give us quali tyres?That is what I was saying, nowhere in GT5 does it say they are quali tyres but they behave like them. A racing soft tyre should last a lot longer than they do in GT5. Even in series that had quali tyres they still had a soft racing compound as well.
 
The only people who complain about the tire wear, seems to be people who can't drive without Racing Softs... The new tire wear is a great addition, as it allows for actual tire strategy in endurance races. unlike the previous tire wear model.
 
SimonK
Yes I know they currently wear as fast as that but they don't claim to in the description, do they? What would be the point, the game doesn't even feature quali so why would they give us quali tyres?That is what I was saying, nowhere in GT5 does it say they are quali tyres but they behave like them. A racing soft tyre should last a lot longer than they do in GT5. Even in series that had quali tyres they still had a soft racing compound as well.
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True, the naming could have been done better.

If they just named the RS tires qualifying tires from the start this wouldn't be a problem right now :)
 
Jawehawk
The only people who complain about the tire wear, seems to be people who can't drive without Racing Softs... The new tire wear is a great addition, as it allows for actual tire strategy in endurance races. unlike the previous tire wear model.
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This ^^^^^^

It always amazes me in online lobbies the number of people that want you to change to RS when everyone else can race on SM or SS.

I actually like the way it is now, remember that most races are very short so it shouldnt be a problem.
 
Spagetti69
Hmmm. The next available tire. Racing medium I suppose, that's good for 18 or so laps of Spa? Racing hards maybe 28? I don't know. Do they last that long.
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In our BTCC styled series (road cars) We will probably only ever get around 6-8 decent laps of Spa with RH tyres, so good luck with softs!
 
Jawehawk
The only people who complain about the tire wear, seems to be people who can't drive without Racing Softs... The new tire wear is a great addition, as it allows for actual tire strategy in endurance races. unlike the previous tire wear model.
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That makes no sense at all. We have a problem with high wear across all tyres, not jusr RS. RH also wear far too quickly. For example at this years 1000km of Spa race some LMP drivers went for more than two hours on one set of tyres, 50 to 60 laps. No matter how careful you drive in GT5 you'll be out of rubber after 15 laps at the most.
 
SimonK
That makes no sense at all. We have a problem with high wear across all tyres, not jusr RS. RH also wear far too quickly. For example at this years 1000km of Spa race some LMP drivers went for more than two hours on one set of tyres, 50 to 60 laps. No matter how careful you drive in GT5 you'll be out of rubber after 15 laps at the most.
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What and you want realistic tire wear like that. Yes it is realistic but then the only way of having some kind of pit strategy in races would be races that exceed 100 laps which is not practical at all. The tire wear now is great for some pit strategy even at races with as little as 10 laps.
 
GT6mebe
What and you want realistic tire wear like that. Yes it is realistic but then the only way of having some kind of pit strategy in races would be races that exceed 100 laps which is not practical at all. The tire wear now is great for some pit strategy even at races with as little as 10 laps.
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Ten laps is a sprint race mate, shouldn't be any pitting at that distance. But I think that is the main problem, PD are catering to the arcade 3 lap racers rather than those who race more realistic lengths. Then what about the endurance races? You have to pit far too often now in those.
 
SimonK
Yes I know they currently wear as fast as that but they don't claim to in the description, do they? What would be the point, the game doesn't even feature quali so why would they give us quali tyres?That is what I was saying, nowhere in GT5 does it say they are quali tyres but they behave like them. A racing soft tyre should last a lot longer than they do in GT5. Even in series that had quali tyres they still had a soft racing compound as well.
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Now thats something I wouldnt mind qualifying
 
GT6mebe
What and you want realistic tire wear like that. Yes it is realistic but then the only way of having some kind of pit strategy in races would be races that exceed 100 laps which is not practical at all. The tire wear now is great for some pit strategy even at races with as little as 10 laps.
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Realistic is realistic though. Forget practicality.
Is the fuel usage accelerated too?

Why should those who want realistic races have to suffer?
 
GT6mebe
What and you want realistic tire wear like that. Yes it is realistic but then the only way of having some kind of pit strategy in races would be races that exceed 100 laps which is not practical at all. The tire wear now is great for some pit strategy even at races with as little as 10 laps.
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The stupidity of people who think like you is limitless.
How can you reasnably say sacrificing realistic tyre wear for some petty ass reason like to have to spend less time before needing to use your pit strategy is worth it?

This is a fundamental part of what makes a sim a sim and why it's so rewarding to play. Driving realism.



What you've said is EXACTLY the same reasoning as saying Nurburg is way to long in real life for gt5 they should just include the most popular corners and cut the straight sections in half. That will make it more practical.

Oh btw av fiat 500 and most of the stock cars are way to slow so they should all have 1000hp it just makes it more practical. Screw realism as long as its practical thats why i got gt5. I hope in gt6 you start the game and its 100% complete you never have to even race its more practical.
 
thelvynau
Now thats something I wouldnt mind qualifying
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Same here.

To what Simon is saying, qualifying tires would be a super soft rather than soft and would probably have twice the wear rate of the regular soft, but also more grip obviously. There should also be super hards though or primes.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
Same here.

To what Simon is saying, qualifying tires would be a super soft rather than soft and would probably have twice the wear rate of the regular soft, but also more grip obviously. There should also be super hards though or primes.
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Indeed, if they aren't going to make the current tyres more realistic I would settle for 'Endurance' Super Hard tyres or whatever they want to call them.
 

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