you like zeppelin?Music 

they kick ass!!!
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zeppelin is amazing...jimmy page is amazing on the guitar...and john bonham is in my books the greatest drummer...you should hear moby dick...its like 20 minutes of non stop drumming...its amazing

zeppelin rocks :bowdown:
 
Actually, Led Zeppelin individually are not fantastic musicians in any technical sense. Jimmy Page is a very sloppy guitar player; Plant's voice is, ummmmm, Plant's voice; Jones's bass playing is nothing special, and Bonzo's a slow-n-steady kind of drummer.

But put it all together and they fly. Sonically they are very inventive. It must be understood that they are the band that almost singlehandedly yanked rock and roll from the "pop with guitars" sound of the early '60s through the "totally fuggin wasted" late '60s and into the Golden Age. If Led Zep had never existed, neither would have about half of the guitar based bands since Zepplin was founded.
 
Originally posted by neon_duke
Actually, Led Zeppelin individually are not fantastic musicians in any technical sense. Jimmy Page is a very sloppy guitar player; Plant's voice is, ummmmm, Plant's voice; Jones's bass playing is nothing special, and Bonzo's a slow-n-steady kind of drummer.

But put it all together and they fly. Sonically they are very inventive. It must be understood that they are the band that almost singlehandedly yanked rock and roll from the "pop with guitars" sound of the early '60s through the "totally fuggin wasted" late '60s and into the Golden Age. If Led Zep had never existed, neither would have about half of the guitar based bands since Zepplin was founded.

wow dude, I think you are a little lost on that. evey member of the zep is a top-notch artist in what they do. Jimmy Page may very well be the best guitarrist of all time, incredibly creative, technic (he had a unique, very developed technique, all his very own), experimental (ever seen him play his double deck guitar with a violin bow?) could play ANYTHING he wanted with absolute confidence and it always sounded very cool, and for those whom speed matters too much, he was lightning fast. Robert Plant's voice was also very unique, but it was in no way bad at all in fact, his sharp, stingy voice was an influence for many bands that followed, from Queen to guns and roses. review, before plant, every rock singer had a deep, bassy voice. his androginous tone fitted perfectly with the Zep and influenced many generations of singers, who saw that a sharp voice could also work in rock.
Bonzo is also one of the best drummers around, and in his time he had no equal. he had a completely self-learned technique that revolutionized drumming, he was incredibly powerfull and energetic, never lost the pace and was incredibly fast too. he also was very creative, could put a show on his very own with the drumms.
Johnes, well, yeah, he is the discreet member, we could say, but he always had his job done. the bass bases on zeps songs are complex in sound but not in execution. he was a good composer, and never let down in his performance.
everything you say about them together I agree with, but I think (and Im not the only one) that every member of the zep had an incredible talent and particular style in what they did, and put together, they were the best band on ****ing earth. and they are, still.

Cano
 
Originally posted by Cano
they were the best band on ****ing earth. and they are, still.
I have to agree with that. Just simply the greatest band in the history of music for all the reasons listed above. They were innovators and pioneers, music would be VERY different if they hadn't existed.
 
Originally posted by neon_duke
Actually, Led Zeppelin individually are not fantastic musicians in any technical sense. Jimmy Page is a very sloppy guitar player;

Yes, he is. I listened to Dazed and Confused on How the West was Won last week. It totally sucked. I was actually pissed off at it. It was way to long, boring, and totally lacking in anything that could justify such an extended live version. Then Moby Dick came on, and I was so disappointed at the guitar playing.

Long and short of it: Anyone with one year of guitar playing experience could play any Zeppelin song better than Jimmy Page.

When it comes to Zeppelin, stick with the album versions. Jimmy needs all that production to sound good at all.
 
im sorry but jimmy page is one of the greatest guitarists out there along with hendrix...am i the only one who thinks this...most people who have responded have said other wise but i guess everyones got their own opinion
 
I just don't see how you can say that. Page's deficiency in relation to Hendrix is so huge and blatantly obvious... it boggles my mind how anyone can put them in the same class.
 
Originally posted by neon_duke
Bonzo's a slow-n-steady kind of drummer.

Wow man, you overstepped your bounds. You don't even know what you are talking about here. John is with out any question one of the greatest drummers that has ever lived, alond woth Bill ward, Mike Portnoy, and Neil Pert. As a semi-pro drummer, I can assume by you're statement above, that you have never toutched a drumset.


I suggest that you go to your local music store, and sit yourself down in front of a set, and try keep a simple beat. Whoever has done this before knows the feeling of confusion and ignorant stupidity that overwhelms you because you think it looks so easy.
 
Robert Plant is a god! Not much else to say everything's basically been said here, and talked to death about.

I'm a big fan of Hey Hey what can I do? When the Levee Breaks is my fave Zep song though. Stairway to Heaven is overplayed, so it's not on my top 5 list anymore. Still an amazing song though.
 
Here here. At least one more member who knows his classics. The levee is my all time favorite too, followed by all the acoustic work.
I won't go as far as saying that Plant is a god, i'm not into male-male hanky-panky, but he sure is a standard when it comes to white blues performers.

Bonzo is widespread considered as one, if not the, best drummer around. When Milefile didn't like that version of Moby Dick, he should listen to Bonzo's Montreuil. A genuine hair riser.

John Paul Jones is more than just a basplayer. He actually is a gifted composer, he playes the mandolin, several other snare instruments along with the keyboards.

And if Milefile, turbosmoker and the likes don't like Dazed and Confused, they either don't know **** about music in general, or they forgot that this is a recording from the '70s. You have to keep in mind the era that this gig was performed. Besides, Page is using a violin stick when doing this awesome performance. Get your heads out of the toilet, kids, and stop thinking that everything that was recorded before you were born is dull and out of date by default.
 
Originally posted by ac.cobra427


And if Milefile, turbosmoker and the likes don't like Dazed and Confused, they either don't know **** about music in general, or they forgot that this is a recording from the '70s. You have to keep in mind the era that this gig was performed. Besides, Page is using a violin stick when doing this awesome performance. Get your heads out of the toilet, kids, and stop thinking that everything that was recorded before you were born is dull and out of date by default.

It has nothing to do with when it was played or recorded. There is a lot of live music recorded and performed around the same time where the singing and guitar playing are at least tight. Jimmy Page is not tight. His timing is all over the place (in a solo this can be good, but I am talking about the rythym playing, which is more important). The single most important thing any band has to be is tight, in time with eachother; this is the foundation on which everything else is built. If my brain has to keep compensating for Jimmy Page's timming errors (and they are unintentional errors in the rythym, not stylistic idiosyncrasies as in a solo) I can't enjoy the song. I really want to blame it on drugs because we know he did play these songs well at least one time, in the studio (although he was sloppy there sometimes, too). Drum and bass in these versions of Dazed and Confused and Moby Dick were tight and solid. It seemed like such a waste of strong rythym.

John Paul Jones is more than just a basplayer. He actually is a gifted composer, he playes the mandolin, several other snare instruments along with the keyboards.
That's special. Of course this means nothing about his bass playing for Led Zeppelin.

John is with out any question one of the greatest drummers that has ever lived
I hate statements like this. Do you know every drummer that has ever lived? Me niether, which is why I would only say that he was above average, and I disagreed with neon's assesment, too. John is definitely rock solid, quirky, and very interesting to listen to.
 
Wow, did none of you read past the first part of my post? I mean this part:
Originally posted by neon_duke
But put it all together and they fly. Sonically they are very inventive. It must be understood that they are the band that almost singlehandedly yanked rock and roll from the "pop with guitars" sound of the early '60s through the "totally fuggin wasted" late '60s and into the Golden Age. If Led Zep had never existed, neither would have about half of the guitar based bands since Zepplin was founded.

I was 5 years old when Zeppelin I was recorded, when most of you were 10 years+ from being born! I grew up with this music the first time around, waiting for the next album, and heartbroken when Bonzo died. I have most of their catalog on vinyl LPs, and the big CD box set. I know that Jimmy Page was a busy session guitarist before his gig in the Yardbirds before Zeppelin. I also know he's probably one of the most versatile guitarists in history. So quit telling me to pull my head out of the toilet!

They're a great band. Well above the sum of their parts. But they're also known for putting on sloppy, half-rehearsed shows. And none of the music issued by any of them after Zepplin's demise in 1980 holds a candle to what they did as a band.
 
Originally posted by ac.cobra427


And if Milefile, turbosmoker and the likes don't like Dazed and Confused, they either don't know **** about music in general

hey, who pissed on your chips?

calm down mate...i am old enough to have remembered Zeppelin live on the TV....there just not my taste in music...

i say they are over rated because people say J Bonham was the best drummer in the world....i would say thats wrong..
Page isnt the best guitarist in the world either...he may be your favourite but hes' not the best...YOU are the one who needs to open your scope of music taste and stop living in the past...

there are plenty better musicians....perhaps none are as ground breaking or have pushed the boundaries of modern music as much as Zeppelin have but you need to get a bit of perspective..
 
Originally posted by milefile
Yes, he is. I listened to Dazed and Confused on How the West was Won last week. It totally sucked. I was actually pissed off at it. It was way to long, boring, and totally lacking in anything that could justify such an extended live version. Then Moby Dick came on, and I was so disappointed at the guitar playing.

Long and short of it: Anyone with one year of guitar playing experience could play any Zeppelin song better than Jimmy Page.

When it comes to Zeppelin, stick with the album versions. Jimmy needs all that production to sound good at all.

You were whaaaa...? That is one of the best live performances I've ever heard! It shows Jimmy coming out and playing. He's not playing it perfect and getting every note right, he's just jamming like he should. I'm sorry, but I'm a fan of the "sloppy" style. One of my favorites is Neil Young's "Alabama."

But I guess its all based on preference.
 
Originally posted by TurboSmoke
i say they are over rated because people say J Bonham was the best drummer in the world....i would say thats wrong..

People say he is one of the greatest drummers. If jou do not agree than who do you think is better?
 
People say he is one of the greatest drummers. If jou do not agree than who do you think is better?

i dont want to get into an arguement because music is based on preference, taste and perception...to some he may be the best...to me, he isn't...its thats simple

try listening to to

Nick Barker: COF
Dave Lombardo: Slayer
Paul Bostaph: Forbidden and Slayer

open your musical horizons.

when it comes to technical ability, musical feel, intuitiveness, range of musical influences, dedication, improvisation and rhytmical organisation these guys top the list of best three for me...but there are loads more from differerent genres....these are top for me because i believe that this is the most technically demanding genre of music.
 
Originally posted by TurboSmoke
[...i am old enough to have remembered Zeppelin live on the TV....there just not my taste in music...
Ok mate, we can't discuss tastes and colors.

I saw Zep live twice. Yes, i'm that old. ;)

A few months back i bought their double dvd. And there are some gigs on it that i actually was present of. London's Earl's court. And they rocked and kicked ass just as they did in my recolection.
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For everyone that isn't convinced yet about their misical abilities, have a listen at No Quarter, the album Page & plant recorded with an Egyptian ensemble and the London Metropolitan Orchestra. Simply stunning.
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Or try the latest Page/Plant album: (with the help of JP Jones), not really Zep but worthwile listening to.

Their "sloppish" style, live on stage is one of their main caracteristics. have a listen to the BBC sessions, and you will know what i mean. But actually seeing them live, is a true sensation, so for everyone that wasn't born yet when they reigned.
 
yeah, dont get me wrong...i like Zeppelin, i have had a few of thier albums over the years and i occasionally listen to them....although i dont like much of the modern Page/Plant stuff.

how did JP Jones get in on the latest album?...its been a while since he had a bass in his hand....

rock gods?...possibly...but the only point i was trying to make is that some people see them differently....my rock god would be Lemmy from Motorhead...whom i have met on a couple of occasions since i have seen them live too many times to count.
 
I've had How the West was Won for about 6 months now... really good cd. Disc 3 is probably my favorite.
 
I don't usually listen to the 2nd disc. Probably because of Moby Dick. The drum solo gets a little long. Don't get me wrong; it's really good, but a little long for my taste.
 

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