Your opinion on Racing Softs?

[FormulaKimball]

What's so realistic about sitting in a living room with a toy wheel and a disc? we're all playing a game here.. so there's no need to disrespect each other.

But back on topic, my opinion on Racing Softs, it's not too grippy, what makes it very grippy in GT5 is the downforce I think? I have a feeling that the downforce is unrealistic.

Good points.

I too start wondering about the "realism" when the tire compound has a tiny effect on lap times in a FGT (a lap of the Nordschleife on CH vs. RS is only about 10 seconds different) but huge on say the #99 NASCAR Fusion (CH vs. RS - almost 2 minutes).

It was pretty hilarious on Top Gear recently when James May tried to make the point that worse tires or cars are "more fun" because you're at the limit of grip more often and at slower speeds. Interesting thought, but it didn't sound so good when you say it out loud. Yes, full throttle all the time with seemingly limitless grip and aero can get boring, but it's also very tedious to be constantly fighting for grip because the car and/or tires won't stick to the road. As things are, I'd prefer RS and just drive faster - but maybe if GT6 fixes the speed sensation then you won't notice if they also reduce the RS grip to more realistic levels... as long as the racing experience were still properly terrifying.

 

[Corpsey]

FGT has so much downforce.. those kinds of cars rely heavily on that downforce to work properly.

 

[TomBrady]

Well said, but also smacks of, "the way I enjoy the game is better than the way you enjoy the game and I'm having more fun that you are because I'm not using racing softs all the time"...or words to that effect. Some would call that elitist. What you guys that think this way often forget is, this is just a game. Not everyone has the inclination or more importantly the time, to practice and race and become proficient at all the little subtleties of racing with harder compound tires.

I have a couple of buddies that only play when they are at my house. They have PS3 but don't own the game. So when they are here they look forward to sitting in the cockpit and running around the track against AI's and racing. I always had them on RS tires and one day I put them on Sports Tires and they hated it. "Too hard to control" and "No fun" were their feelings. For them, and for many others, being in control of your car and being able to race without going off the track in the short amount of time they actually have to play the game, far outweighs some purist approach of using stock cars with stock tires and no aids.

It's ok to advocate for your way of playing the game, but you'll get much further by advocating the fun, the challenge, the feeling of accomplishment, the many more layers of the game to be found without aids and without using RS tires all the time. When you choose to use words and phrases like, fickle, stagnate, woestruck, recoil, vanquish and missing all the fun, you set yourself up as an elitist, someone who knows better than the poor schelps running around all the time on RS tires. That position isn't going to win you any friends and it sure isn't going to convince anyone to give up their white knuckle grip on their soft racing tires.

I do the opposite. When I have friends try GT5, I simply give them an easy car to drive, but I make them use the tires that came with the car, and I shut off all aids except driving line, and active steering.

I've never had one person complain. In fact, everybody absolutely loves it! Even my dad loved it, he was getting way into, and all my life, my dad has literally always hated video games. You could never get him to play a game for even 2 seconds, but he absolutely loves GT5.

The only reason your friends complained, is because you changed things up on them.

If you set the sim up to be realistic, and tell them to drive it like it was a real car, literally, they'll actually have more fun if you make it easy for them.

If you give them racing softs, and turn all aids on, they might have fun, but it's only because it'll practically be like NFS to them, and I don't think that's a good thing, because GT5 is not NFS

 

[JDMKING13]

I do the opposite. When I have friends try GT5, I simply give them an easy car to drive, but I make them use the tires that came with the car, and I shut off all aids except driving line, and active steering.

I've never had one person complain. In fact, everybody absolutely loves it! Even my dad loved it, he was getting way into, and all my life, my dad has literally always hated video games. You could never get him to play a game for even 2 seconds, but he absolutely loves GT5.

The only reason your friends complained, is because you changed things up on them.

If you set the sim up to be realistic, and tell them to drive it like it was a real car, literally, they'll actually have more fun if you make it easy for them.

If you give them racing softs, and turn all aids on, they might have fun, but it's only because it'll practically be like NFS to them, and I don't think that's a good thing, because GT5 is not NFS

Same Thing I do with my friends and family! You are on a roll man.

 

[TomBrady]

I don't think you could be more wrong.

So even if the GT500 cars ran similar times on just one or two tracks, they are not a considerable representation of the rest of the game, they are actually about 2% of the car list, and you've only shown 1-2 tracks where your example MAY work.

It has been shown, proven and throughly discussed that pretty much any stock car on their stock tires are proportionately quicker around a circuit than their real life counterparts, which to me, completely moots any of the points you've been trying to make.

I fail to see how if most cars are too quick on stock tires (which can be racing hards), let only after sticking some high powered race cars on RS tires, makes your 2% representative accurate.

Totally agreed. That's just one example, and we don't have the stats of the car. They change all the time, not to mention, it's easier to drive cars at the limit in real life than it is in the game.

I don't need lap time comparison to prove to me that RS tires are unrealistically grippy. I've driven on REAL soft slick tires, real experience trumps lap times all day.

REAL soft slicks, don't even have as much grip as racing hard in this sim (in most cases).

I think the problem is, is that any tire in GT5, whether it's sports hard or racing hard, is the same exact tire on every car.

What I mean is, if you take 2 different cars, and use the same GT5 tire on both, say sports hard for example, to me, it feels like the exact same tire. I really don't think they take into account the different dimensions, each tire on each car will have because if you think about it, GT5 should literally have at least 9000 unique tires in the game (1000 cars, 9 tire compound for each). Not to mention the cars that have different rear/front tires.

Personally, I don't think they modelled 9000 different tires, I think they took the easy way out and just made the tires identical on every car for the most part. I could be wrong, but that's just how it feels to me.