Your opinion on Racing Softs?

[smalldave]

I go by what somebody (I forget who) on this forum said a while back....

If on comfort softs you can take a corner at 80mph, it takes a certain skill to get as close to that corner speed as possible.
But also, on racing softs if you can take a corner at 110mph .... but most people only THINK the car can do 100mph .... it takes a cerain skill to eke out that extra 10mph.

I am never fussed if I am racing on low grip or very high grip tyres, I think they both have their own attractions - low grip is about pushing just enough to keep the car on track, and being precise with imputs .... high grip is about getting every ounce of performance and speed from each corner and really wringing a cars neck.

And that is just my £0.02 👍

 

[Lion-Face]

With all this talk of running formula 1 cars with comfort soft I got a brainwave and decided to host a room running an oval track and NASCAR cars with comfort soft. Quite good fun it turns out to be, really requires that "soft touch" Jeff Gorfon was talking about.

The idea isn't turning out to be that popular though... Have had a room up for quite a while with no-one joining

Well someone atleast joined and we ran a couple races which was really good fun. You can actually lose the rear with comfort softs and in the curves it gets really tense when you're running behind someone else. Must try this again sometime.

Yeah I've been doing a similar thing Tuesday nights running SuperGT cars on Comfort Soft tires with no aids. The racing is very tense and is more about driving proper lines and positioning your car well on the track. Making a pass is difficult and you can't just send one up the inside from an age back or rely on a big draft down the straight. Balancing your car through eau rouge to get a great exit down the straight is a highlight every lap in itself!

I have a couple of replays I should put up. The rooms are often quiet outside of some regular league runners but the racing is always good.

 

[MSTER232]

just drove the Pagani Zonda R online on Racing Soft tires... the car has NO REAR-END GRIP even in SECOND GEAR. I can't tackle any low-speed corner at optimum speed without spinning out of control, especially the Karussell at the Nordschleife.

I'm starting to hate the online physics. The Zonda R's rear-end grip was already unrealistically low at offline, online just made it worse.

Are you aware that proper throttle control can fix this?

 

[Skygrasper550]

Are you aware that proper throttle control can fix this?

I. KNOW. THAT. I have been struggling with the throttle control ever since the first time I raced with it online, but there is only so much a DS3 controller can do. And I'm not rich enough to buy a steering wheel + pedals + stick shift + cockpit.

My point is that it's a very hard car to drive, despite it being a race car and having racing slicks as standard issue tires. It's supposed to be the easiest Zonda to drive, a lot easier than a street-legal Zonda fresh from the showroom and fitted with racing slicks. I can't make consistent racing lines, especially on tracks with slow and tight corners, because if you punch the acceleration just a little over 5%, you are sure to spin out. Heck, I've even set it up for a 3km tunnel drag online at SSR7, and it still spins the rear tires even on 3rd gear. With Racing:Soft tires. 👎👎

Here. Watch this. This is what I mean. This is how a Zonda R should perform.



The lap the Stig made is absolutely clean. I should be able to do that in GT5 with absolute ease in a stock Zonda R, but no.

 

[OK8]

Yeah I've been doing a similar thing Tuesday nights running SuperGT cars on Comfort Soft tires with no aids. The racing is very tense and is more about driving proper lines and positioning your car well on the track. Making a pass is difficult and you can't just send one up the inside from an age back or rely on a big draft down the straight. Balancing your car through eau rouge to get a great exit down the straight is a highlight every lap in itself!

I have a couple of replays I should put up. The rooms are often quite outside of some regular league runners but the racing is always good.

Tuesday nights? Maybe I should join you (unless the timezones are a mess), sounds like fun. I raced GT500s in a league with racing hard and controlling the NSX with even those tyres was quite difficult at times so I can only imagine what it's like when everyone's running comfort softs.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I. KNOW. THAT. I have been struggling with the throttle control ever since the first time I raced with it online, but there is only so much a DS3 controller can do. And I'm not rich enough to buy a steering wheel + pedals + stick shift + cockpit.

My point is that it's a very hard car to drive, despite it being a race car and having racing slicks as standard issue tires. It's supposed to be the easiest Zonda to drive, a lot easier than a street-legal Zonda fresh from the showroom and fitted with racing slicks. I can't make consistent racing lines, especially on tracks with slow and tight corners, because if you punch the acceleration just a little over 5%, you are sure to spin out. Heck, I've even set it up for a 3km tunnel drag online at SSR7, and it still spins the rear tires even on 3rd gear. With Racing:Soft tires. 👎👎

Here. Watch this. This is what I mean. This is how a Zonda R should perform.

The lap the Stig made is absolutely clean. I should be able to do that in GT5 with absolute ease in a stock Zonda R, but no.

Even with the DFGT the Zonda R is a hard car to drive but managable. I've driven a few cars with the DS3 and use the R2 for throttle and it's better than the X button but it doesn't allow the real find throttle control you really need. And the DFGT while better is not what I'd call really fine control either, it seems to go from zero to 50% by moving the throttle pedal about 5 mm.

You're not alone man, most guys try that car once and give up, but if you hang with it you'll get a certain rythmn and it'll come to you. Try detuning the car a bit and working your way up and start out on flatter tracks like Road Course Indy.

Keep in mind that not only does the Stig have perfect throttle control but he also has the seat of his pants providing him with input as to what the car is doing, something we are missing. I raced karts for many years and can tell you, more than 50% of your feedback as to what was happening on the track came from your butt!!

 

[Lewis_Hamilton_]

I. KNOW. THAT. I have been struggling with the throttle control ever since the first time I raced with it online, but there is only so much a DS3 controller can do. And I'm not rich enough to buy a steering wheel + pedals + stick shift + cockpit.

........ I can't make consistent racing lines, especially on tracks with slow and tight corners, because if you punch the acceleration just a little over 5%, you are sure to spin out.


The lap the Stig made is absolutely clean. I should be able to do that in GT5 with absolute ease in a stock Zonda R, but no.

If you are having such problems with it, then you need to adjust your driving style and learn how to control the car. You have to remember that it has a lot of power and is very light weight, it is not just going to hook up and go, no car with that power to weight ratio will. They all require proper application of the throttle, brakes, steering input and balance.

I'm sure you know all of this already, however all of the above that you described is through driver error. And you do not need a wheel, pedals or cockpit setup to control this or other cars. Albeit they can provide an advantage, you can still be incredibly fast with a DS3 and wittle down that advantage with proper control.

 

[TomBrady]

Even with the DFGT the Zonda R is a hard car to drive but managable. I've driven a few cars with the DS3 and use the R2 for throttle and it's better than the X button but it doesn't allow the real find throttle control you really need. And the DFGT while better is not what I'd call really fine control either, it seems to go from zero to 50% by moving the throttle pedal about 5 mm.

You're not alone man, most guys try that car once and give up, but if you hang with it you'll get a certain rythmn and it'll come to you. Try detuning the car a bit and working your way up and start out on flatter tracks like Road Course Indy.

Keep in mind that not only does the Stig have perfect throttle control but he also has the seat of his pants providing him with input as to what the car is doing, something we are missing. I raced karts for many years and can tell you, more than 50% of your feedback as to what was happening on the track came from your butt!!

Using the right analog stick for throttle is even better and more precise than r2. Plus it's more comfortable to manually shift with r1/l1 that way.

On the zonda, well put. I was actually just about to say the same thing basically. The problem with the zonda r and mp4 12c in GT5 is not that they're tougher to drive in GT5 than in real life, it's that GT5 like any sim has a poor sense of speed (compared to real life), and up at the limit, both of these cars become tough to handle. It's easy to go to fast in GT5, and some cars handle it differently that others.

As with any high powered and light car, the Zonda R just requires precise throttle input, and you also gotta be careful of lift off oversteer. Otherwise, I think the Zonda R is as easy to drive as any car of it's type. I love it.

 

[Skygrasper550]

If you are having such problems with it, then you need to adjust your driving style and learn how to control the car. You have to remember that it has a lot of power and is very light weight, it is not just going to hook up and go, no car with that power to weight ratio will. They all require proper application of the throttle, brakes, steering input and balance.

I'm sure you know all of this already, however all of the above that you described is through driver error. And you do not need a wheel, pedals or cockpit setup to control this or other cars. Albeit they can provide an advantage, you can still be incredibly fast with a DS3 and whittle down that advantage with proper control.

yes I do. I've driven quite a lot with my Zonda R. I've gotten used to it offline and I have to say I got addicted to its handling (I was going 10+kph faster than usual on the sweepers ) I'm no pro but I am doing my best to control the car. Like the other players here who want to improve themselves, I get a feeling for the car. That's how you get better driving it.

Using the right analog stick for throttle is even better and more precise than r2. Plus it's more comfortable to manually shift with r1/l1 that way.

On the zonda, well put. I was actually just about to say the same thing basically. The problem with the zonda r and mp4 12c in GT5 is not that they're tougher to drive in GT5 than in real life, it's that GT5 like any sim has a poor sense of speed (compared to real life), and up at the limit, both of these cars become tough to handle. It's easy to go to fast in GT5, and some cars handle it differently that others.

As with any high powered and light car, the Zonda R just requires precise throttle input, and you also gotta be careful of lift off oversteer. Otherwise, I think the Zonda R is as easy to drive as any car of it's type. I love it.

Well I have R2 as my throttle button, it's easier for me. I've tuned it, there's a big improvement but it's still very wild.

 

[QB1o]

The lap the Stig made is absolutely clean. I should be able to do that in GT5 with absolute ease

of course you should!

 

[Traviizter]

So the overall trend here is that racing softs should be for racing cars, and not for everyday ones?

Edit: Didn't realise how old this thread became, sorry about the 'bump'.

 

[Johnnypenso]

No one should tell you, nor should you listen to anyone who tells you, how to enjoy the game. Do whatever you want to get the most of your GT5 experience. For some people that's throwing Racing Softs on a Honda Civic, for some it's the challenge of racing cars completely stock on the tires they came on. Neither one is right or wrong. It's all about finding out what you like to do and enjoying playing the game the way you want to.

 

[XEPEGTP]

Yes yes, fun is subjective.

But those who challenge themselves also have fun driving with more "real" and difficult settings, i would argue even more fun, because overcoming the challenge is the first victory, and taking a win, is a 2nd one.

I noticed, people that play "real" are "backwards compatible" and can enter a RS room and still have fun, people that always play within their limit, never attempting to further themselves and improve, take the easy way, these people are the most fickle, because instead of adjusting their style or whatever, they compain "oh but the AIDS ARE OFF boo boo" .

So in that way, someone who challenges themselves to become better (without assistance) can have fun even driving with full aids (of course nowhere near driving without) but the people who stagnate and use every possible assist and advantage, are woestruck when attempting to reach beyond what they believe is their own limits, and usually recoil, as if vanquished, never to try again, missing all the fun that can be had over the entire spectrum of "driving".

In short there is much more fun to be had, overall, when you push your limits, and strive to improve. Rather than let frustration make you believe you arent capable, because of a few mistakes.

 

[JDMKING13]

Yes yes, fun is subjective.

But those who challenge themselves also have fun driving with more "real" and difficult settings, i would argue even more fun, because overcoming the challenge is the first victory, and taking a win, is a 2nd one.

I noticed, people that play "real" are "backwards compatible" and can enter a RS room and still have fun, people that always play within their limit, never attempting to further themselves and improve, take the easy way, these people are the most fickle, because instead of adjusting their style or whatever, they compain "oh but the AIDS ARE OFF boo boo" .

So in that way, someone who challenges themselves to become better (without assistance) can have fun even driving with full aids (of course nowhere near driving without) but the people who stagnate and use every possible assist and advantage, are woestruck when attempting to reach beyond what they believe is their own limits, and usually recoil, as if vanquished, never to try again, missing all the fun that can be had over the entire spectrum of "driving".

Well said Gus. 👍

 

[trackripper123]

Personally I only use RS tyres when the car in question is very lairy to drive or has over 800-900Nm in torque which means it just spins the rear wheels...

 

[Johnnypenso]

Yes yes, fun is subjective.

But those who challenge themselves also have fun driving with more "real" and difficult settings, i would argue even more fun, because overcoming the challenge is the first victory, and taking a win, is a 2nd one.

I noticed, people that play "real" are "backwards compatible" and can enter a RS room and still have fun, people that always play within their limit, never attempting to further themselves and improve, take the easy way, these people are the most fickle, because instead of adjusting their style or whatever, they compain "oh but the AIDS ARE OFF boo boo" .

So in that way, someone who challenges themselves to become better (without assistance) can have fun even driving with full aids (of course nowhere near driving without) but the people who stagnate and use every possible assist and advantage, are woestruck when attempting to reach beyond what they believe is their own limits, and usually recoil, as if vanquished, never to try again, missing all the fun that can be had over the entire spectrum of "driving".

In short there is much more fun to be had, overall, when you push your limits, and strive to improve. Rather than let frustration make you believe you arent capable, because of a few mistakes.

Well said Gus. 👍

Well said, but also smacks of, "the way I enjoy the game is better than the way you enjoy the game and I'm having more fun that you are because I'm not using racing softs all the time"...or words to that effect. Some would call that elitist. What you guys that think this way often forget is, this is just a game. Not everyone has the inclination or more importantly the time, to practice and race and become proficient at all the little subtleties of racing with harder compound tires.

I have a couple of buddies that only play when they are at my house. They have PS3 but don't own the game. So when they are here they look forward to sitting in the cockpit and running around the track against AI's and racing. I always had them on RS tires and one day I put them on Sports Tires and they hated it. "Too hard to control" and "No fun" were their feelings. For them, and for many others, being in control of your car and being able to race without going off the track in the short amount of time they actually have to play the game, far outweighs some purist approach of using stock cars with stock tires and no aids.

It's ok to advocate for your way of playing the game, but you'll get much further by advocating the fun, the challenge, the feeling of accomplishment, the many more layers of the game to be found without aids and without using RS tires all the time. When you choose to use words and phrases like, fickle, stagnate, woestruck, recoil, vanquish and missing all the fun, you set yourself up as an elitist, someone who knows better than the poor schelps running around all the time on RS tires. That position isn't going to win you any friends and it sure isn't going to convince anyone to give up their white knuckle grip on their soft racing tires.

 

[JDMKING13]

Well said, but also smacks of, "the way I enjoy the game is better than the way you enjoy the game and I'm having more fun that you are because I'm not using racing softs all the time"...or words to that effect. Some would call that elitist. What you guys that think this way often forget is, this is just a game. Not everyone has the inclination or more importantly the time, to practice and race and become proficient at all the little subtleties of racing with harder compound tires.

I have a couple of buddies that only play when they are at my house. They have PS3 but don't own the game. So when they are here they look forward to sitting in the cockpit and running around the track against AI's and racing. I always had them on RS tires and one day I put them on Sports Tires and they hated it. "Too hard to control" and "No fun" were their feelings. For them, and for many others, being in control of your car and being able to race without going off the track in the short amount of time they actually have to play the game, far outweighs some purist approach of using stock cars with stock tires and no aids.

It's ok to advocate for your way of playing the game, but you'll get much further by advocating the fun, the challenge, the feeling of accomplishment, the many more layers of the game to be found without aids and without using RS tires all the time. When you choose to use words and phrases like, fickle, stagnate, woestruck, recoil, vanquish and missing all the fun, you set yourself up as an elitist, someone who knows better than the poor schelps running around all the time on RS tires. That position isn't going to win you any friends and it sure isn't going to convince anyone to give up their white knuckle grip on their soft racing tires.

WOW a tad bit on the offensive side are we? In no way was that meant to be disrespectful and I think Gus explained it perfect. In no way did he mean to make him seem better than others. 👎

 

[Johnnypenso]

WOW a tad bit on the offensive side are we? In no way was that meant to be disrespectful and I think Gus explained it perfect. In no way did he mean to make him seem better than others. 👎

I don't believe you can speak for Gus but I accept that he may not have intended to be disrespectful. I believe Gus is very enthusiastic about learning to drive in GT5 with as few assists as possible and I agree, I have more fun with GT5 that way myself. However, to me, Gus's post is the kind of thing that guys who regularly use RS tires read and say, "wow this guys really thinks he's King 🤬 same as that's how you are coming across by opening your comments suggesting I'm being offensive (defensive???) rather than directly addressing the points I made in my response.

 

[JDMKING13]

I don't believe you can speak for Gus but I accept that he may not have intended to be disrespectful. However, to me, that's exactly how it came across, same as that's how you are coming across by opening your comments suggesting I'm being offensive (defensive???) rather than directly addressing the points I made in my response.

Dude Gus is a good buddy of mine I race with him in GT5 everyday so trust me I know what he is saying, and again In now way did he make him self seem like and elitist. You like the ability to make your GT5 experience arcade which is not problem while others like the challenge of making the cars as closely as possible to their real life counterpart. You are taking this the wrong way dude, and it seemed very defensive look at how much you wrote before.

 

[908MatMut]

I use racing soft tires quite a bit myself, most for road racing on Nurburgring and Fuji GT.

 

[JDMKING13]

I use racing soft tires quite a bit myself, most for road racing on Nurburgring and Fuji GT.

And that's cool dude. Play your GT like you wanna play it.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Dude Gus is a good buddy of mine I race with him in GT5 everyday so trust me I know what he is saying, and again In now way did he make him self seem like and elitist. You like the ability to make your GT5 experience arcade which is not problem while others like the challenge of making the cars as closely as possible to their real life counterpart. You are taking this the wrong way dude, and it seemed very defensive look at how much you wrote before.

You might know Gus, but most everyone reading this does not know Gus and therefore does not know what is in his mind and can only read what he wrote and it looks elitist to me, in spite of his intent. And you are missing my point completely. I am not advocating making things Arcade like, I am advocating enjoying the game any way you see fit, and encouraging people to get further and further into the game by sharing the positive aspects of increasing the level of difficulty, rather than painting myself as an expert and telling everyone how to enjoy the game.

In fact, I race almost exclusively on street tires with no aids at all, including ABS, and I encourage everyone to move in that direction for the challenge and feeling of accomplishment that comes from getting a car around the track quickly without driving aids. But I also fully recognize and encourage drivers who enjoy the game with SRF on and RS tires. Many people, millions of them probably, who have bought and enjoy this game, don't have the time or inclination to go much beyond SRF and RS tires, but I hope they continue to play and enjoy the game, how they see fit.

 

[JDMKING13]

You might know Gus, but most everyone reading this does not know Gus and therefore does not know what is in his mind and can only read what he wrote and it looks elitist to me, in spite of his intent. And you are missing my point completely. I am not advocating making things Arcade like, I am advocating enjoying the game any way you see fit, and encouraging people to get further and further into the game by sharing the positive aspects of increasing the level of difficulty, rather than painting myself as an expert and telling everyone how to enjoy the game.

In fact, I race almost exclusively on street tires with no aids at all, including ABS, and I encourage everyone to move in that direction for the challenge and feeling of accomplishment that comes from getting a car around the track quickly without driving aids. But I also fully recognize and encourage drivers who enjoy the game with SRF on and RS tires. Many people, millions of them probably, who have bought and enjoy this game, don't have the time or inclination to go much beyond SRF and RS tires, but I hope they continue to play and enjoy the game, how they see fit.

Dude re read his post Gus was explaining what is fun to one person might not be fun for another. I have no desire to EVER use RS unless I am trying to get fast money. Like yourself I use no AIDS. Out of all the post in here I cant understand how you feel what Gus said was being elitist. I only use cockpit view because I feel it gives me more from GT5 then using other views. Does that make me an elitist? Maybe you are just taking this deeper than me it's all good. My bad if I came off like a tough guy.

 

[XEPEGTP]

Well said, but also smacks of, "the way I enjoy the game is better than the way you enjoy the game and I'm having more fun that you are because I'm not using racing softs all the time".

First off, let me just say, it has nothing to do with skill level, because i myself, am far far far from the most skilled, and i did not realise that a certain vocabulary makes you elitist, theyre just the right words to explain what i meant.

I was harping on the string that you plucked concerning Fun, but my goal was not to say "this is how to have fun and i do so more than you" but to open the minds of those who might not be inclined to PUSH themselves to explore other aspects of the game, and driving for fear of failure, or frustration. And pointing out that people who do play with little to no assists, can have FUN, playing with full assists , but not vice versa. ( i havent met a player yet who said, wow, i love sliding around uncontrollably because TCS is off)

If some people get offended by such a direct observation, that doesnt mean my intention was malicious or condescending. Its your interpretation, and i read your post and all i can differentiate between my stance and yours, is less objectionable, more sympathetic wording on your part. More "reader friendly" if you will, but we share the same point. Challenging yourself, WILL reap greater rewards, but cool if you dont.

Im not Elitist for one reason, i play with the entire spectrum of different drivers, super strict rooms, and fun rooms where we do stock races on RH to keep the pace up, cruise, trackdays , whatever, i dont always feel like busting my thumbs. In competitive races, of course you want the strictest rules, to ensure fairness.

Its not the ONLY way to play, but its a way that ensures that when you do exceed your limits, and even expectations, that it will be very satisfying.

Whereas always needing certain conditions to be met in order to have "fun" will greatly restrict you in the long run when attempting to have "fun".

Im not saying "you shouldnt use RS, or aids" or whatever, im pointing out that "IF you dont...heres what you get" .

 

[JBanton]

...they're great...



for flipping your 1200 over

 

[JackC8]

It's fun to take a car that already handles pretty well, put racing softs on it and have a truly supernatural experience lol. But it's not realistic, it's just kind of silly.

 

[TankAss95]

It's fun to take a car that already handles pretty well, put racing softs on it and have a truly supernatural experience lol. But it's not realistic, it's just kind of silly.

I do admit that I fall into the trap of putting racing softs on my favourite car to test how fast the thing can really go. I try to use lower grade tyres while doing a free run though - I feel guilty or noob-ish otherwise.

 

[MSTER232]

I do admit that I fall into the trap of putting racing softs on my favourite car to test how fast the thing can really go. I try to use lower grade tyres while doing a free run though - I feel guilty or noob-ish otherwise.

If you're going to use racing slicks on a normal car then you're supposed to tighten up the supension to avoid excessive body roll but many people forget to do so. And by the way, I've only used R3 tyres once.

 

[CSLACR]

I think RS tires don't have enough grip and/or wear out too quickly.
If they're truly softs racing tires, the wear is fine but the grip is too low. If they're a slightly harder compound with less grip, the wear should be dramatically improved. (Along with an even greater improvement in mediums and especially hards grip/wear.)

First off, let me just say, it has nothing to do with skill level, because i myself, am far far far from the most skilled, and i did not realise that a certain vocabulary makes you elitist, theyre just the right words to explain what i meant.

I was harping on the string that you plucked concerning Fun, but my goal was not to say "this is how to have fun and i do so more than you" but to open the minds of those who might not be inclined to PUSH themselves to explore other aspects of the game, and driving for fear of failure, or frustration. And pointing out that people who do play with little to no assists, can have FUN, playing with full assists , but not vice versa. ( i havent met a player yet who said, wow, i love sliding around uncontrollably because TCS is off)

If some people get offended by such a direct observation, that doesnt mean my intention was malicious or condescending. Its your interpretation, and i read your post and all i can differentiate between my stance and yours, is less objectionable, more sympathetic wording on your part. More "reader friendly" if you will, but we share the same point. Challenging yourself, WILL reap greater rewards, but cool if you dont.

Im not Elitist for one reason, i play with the entire spectrum of different drivers, super strict rooms, and fun rooms where we do stock races on RH to keep the pace up, cruise, trackdays , whatever, i dont always feel like busting my thumbs. In competitive races, of course you want the strictest rules, to ensure fairness.

Its not the ONLY way to play, but its a way that ensures that when you do exceed your limits, and even expectations, that it will be very satisfying.

Whereas always needing certain conditions to be met in order to have "fun" will greatly restrict you in the long run when attempting to have "fun".

Im not saying "you shouldnt use RS, or aids" or whatever, im pointing out that "IF you dont...heres what you get" .

I can't have fun with most assists on, or if the car isn't fast enough to require a high enough level of skill to push it's limits. Tires must also leave life in the drive, these are all a must for me.
I can deal with TCS and AS(Active Steering) since they're the least intrusive, but even TCS bothers me, and AS is slightly annoying, because the car doesn't respond as quickly.

I think your entire theory is based on one side of the fence's perspective. Some people can enjoy with or without aids, and some can't, both ways.

And your post is absolutely saying "my way of playing is better than yours". You list all the negatives you can think of for driving one way, and all the pros you can think of for your way, explaining how you believe it is better.
But I don't see a problem in that, if we don't explain and discuss ways we think are better, we can't really discuss the OP.

 

[Dodzzz]

Come on guys, this is only a game..
Some like to drive a panda with RS and all aids on, some like to drive a viper with comfort hard and all aids of.
No need to say: yo that's unrealistic you noob, I'm better than you (hahaha) because I play with more realistic settings (soon I'll become a real race driver)
What's so realistic about sitting in a living room with a toy wheel and a disc? we're all playing a game here.. so there's no need to disrespect each other.

Well I must admit I used to use cockpit view because I think it's the more realistic view and although it's harder and I don't really like the view I force myself to use that view, then after a while I realize geez a game should be fun, I'm not practicing to be a real race driver here, I'm just playing a game! then I switch back to my favorite view which is the bumper view (the standard car view)

But back on topic, my opinion on Racing Softs, it's not too grippy, what makes it very grippy in GT5 is the downforce I think? I have a feeling that the downforce is unrealistic.