Your opinion on Racing Softs?

[1241Penguin]

So the damage is realistic? Or sound? Or standard cars?

Without knowing exactly how PD models their tires, or physics, how can you say it is unreal?

Regardless of who makes what, a simulator is a simulator, and thusly, can only simulate. Saying its not real, or doesnt feel real, is like getting mad at optical illusions.

Silly.

No, the poor damage, sound, and Standard cars are only examples of PD's inability to do stuff correctly. These, in a sense, are problems that could've been avoided if PD just put a bit more effort in. On the other hand, PD obviously put the Racing Soft tires in intentionally.

 

[Mac K]

GT5 is also not real. Randy has billions of variables to contend with, such as death. Thankfully, the PS3 can't factor that many variables. Or death.

He said mimic, you'll probably be around 2 seconds faster anyways, as like you said GT5 doesn't kill you or anything like that, but I'd bet lap times would be pretty damn close. Adding racing softs you'd gain at least 10 seconds, which is what Bottoz is saying. Unrealistic.

 

[MOTORTRENDmitch]

They only work great on Group C cars. Putting them in street cars is rediculous and pointless.

For me:

Comfort Softs up to Sports Medium for street cars.

Racing Hard up to Racing Mediums for race cars.

Racing Softs for Group C cars.

With the addition of Drag Slicks (<-Race Softs).. I agree totally

 

[McClarenDesign]

No, the poor damage, sound, and Standard cars are only examples of PD's inability to do stuff correctly. These, in a sense, are problems that could've been avoided. On the other hand, PD obviously put the Racing Soft tires in intentionally.

That makes no sense. Wasnt everything included intentional?

 

[Mac K]

No, the poor damage, sound, and Standard cars are only examples of PD's inability to do stuff correctly. These, in a sense, are problems that could've been avoided if PD just put a bit more effort in. On the other hand, PD obviously put the Racing Soft tires in intentionally.

This isn't the thread for this discussion, and I know where this will end up.. I'm not trying to micro mod but I'd stop if I were you. The topic is our opinion on racing softs and I'd suggest we stick to it, just saying..

 

[yzfmike]

I myself like to go only up to Racing Hards, I really dont like RM or RS except on the x2010 or 2011. Sometimes i'll take the car for a spin as is.

 

[McClarenDesign]

I myself like to go only up to Racing Hards, I really dont like RM or RS except on the x2010 or 2011. Sometimes i'll take the car for a spin as is.

If you're spinning, you're doing it wrong.

Lol.

Rs makes sense for F1, FGT, and the X1. Having the option for other cars to use them is an added bonus.

 

[1241Penguin]

That makes no sense. Wasnt everything included intentional?

Sound: Inability to recreate sounds properly
Damage: Inability to recreate damage realistically
Standard cars: Inability to get things done on time

Racing Soft tires: Who knows why

This isn't the thread for this discussion, and I know where this will end up.. I'm not trying to micro mod but I'd stop if I were you. The topic is our opinion on racing softs and I'd suggest we stick to it, just saying..

Sorry.

Back on topic.

 

[PTK]

I've used up to Racing Mediums, but Softs are just too grippy for anything short of the X1.



Check this out: (Done on Comfort Soft tires)

That vid was sick.

 

[McClarenDesign]

That vid was sick.

Comfort softs, huh?

So thats realistic?

Indeed, sick vid. Eau Rouge had me.

 

[thechosenwonton]

Don't like em' - In GT5 Prologue, the tires you selected actually counted towards your performance points; I wish they would bring that back. So many rooms online are RS only, and while yes, you can push like mad on the things, it really takes away so much of the finesse that is required when actually driving very quick.

I personally like SH on most cars save full on race cars, but even on those, I would prefer RH or RM - RS are just unrealistically grippy.

 

[Traviizter]

Everyone was talking about F1 cars and what they should use. You mentioned Racing Hard, and I showed you that in reality, Comfort Soft tires suit the car more as the person who made the video (who I know personally) matched the pole time at the same track with the same car on those tires.

Just sayin'.

Fair enough; though I didn't outline at all, I'm not saying Racing Hards are absolutely perfect for a Formula 1 car. I was saying Racing Hards are more suited than Racing Softs by a country mile, and the point you make would imply that tuning is more important, or shall I say, more impacting (and therefore more realistic) than slick tires... would it not?

Don't like em' - In GT5 Prologue, the tires you selected actually counted towards your performance points; I wish they would bring that back.

I believe they did for a short while in GT5 as well, then PD removed it.

This isn't the thread for this discussion, and I know where this will end up.. I'm not trying to micro mod but I'd stop if I were you. The topic is our opinion on racing softs and I'd suggest we stick to it, just saying..

Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[kennylmao]

I love 'em. I put them on everything.

You're not alone on this.

 

[CorvetteConquer]

Racing softs make me racing hard.

 

[TomBrady]

Sorry if this was made before... >.>
But yeah, title; what's your opinion on Racing Softs?
I think they're quite unrealistic, but if people want to use them (in a somewhat realistic situation) go ahead, fine by me. However, I get annoyed when I see a road car with these slicks on - a Fiat Panda Super i.e. with Racing Softs - as if it's a touring car.
There's my opinion, what's yours?

I couldn't agree more. Frankly it's almost ruined online racing for me. I almost never try to find random rooms anymore because it's been so hard to find legitimate sim racers online.

I know some people use controllers and have made a habit of using them, but you people gotta realize it's not too much to expect you to play a SIMULATOR, realistically.

I know people who use controllers that are faster than me on any tires, so using a controller is not an excuse anyways.

Driving is more fun on realistic tires because you can be on the edge of grip more often. If you start to lose grip while using racing soft, you'd already be going so fast that it's very hard to recover, and may cause you to either spin out, or be afraid to push the limits of your car.

If you were using sports hard, losing grip happens at much slower speeds, so that way, you can play that delicate game of balancing on the edge of grip. It's MUCH more fun and with most cars it's more realistic.

I would also like to relay what PD has already said about the tires in this game, and that is that they're not to be taken literally. PD has said before that if you want to simulate real tires, you need to go down by a few grades. In my estimation, you want to use 1-2 grades lower tires to simulate a tire in GT5. Even super soft tires in real life just aren't even comparable to racing soft in gt5, not to mention you would only use those for qualifying. I've driven on medium compound slicks in real life, and the closest thing they could be compared to in Gt5 were sports soft. Racing soft tires make GT5 seem like it's not a simulator, and that just sucks in my opinion.

The tires are the reason why some PC sim gamers claim that GT5 is not realistic, but GT5 is only as realistic as you make it.

GT5s physics engine is actually very good on tarmac surfaces, especially when it comes to virtually replicating vehicle dynamics. Racing soft tires ruin the good physics this game has to offer

 

[TomBrady]

RS shouldn't be available in GT6, period. Also Racing tires in general should only be available for Racing cars (not tuned and others, no matter how good they are), sports for sports, super and hyper cars, and comforts for everything else.

THIS.
Honestly tire selection has ruined GT5 for me. I hate fighting with people about it, I hate having to look everywhere for a lobby I can tolerate.

A lot of sims, only have one tire for each car or car class. I wish GT5 had no add on tires at all. I'd rather it be like in iracing or netkar where you get what the cars come with and that's it. It makes for consistent and fun racing, and I wish PD would smarten up. they know this too, why do you think all the time trials will have racing cars on sports hard tires? it's because they know it's the best way to seperate drivers by skill and that's how it should be.

Zonda R on Nordschliefe with Sports hards is FUN

It really is. I love doing that. The recent time trial, 650pp on sports hard at Indy Road Course has been great fun for me as well.

As far as I'm concerned, people who use RS tires have no true respect for driving pleasure. Driving around a track with the car fully gripped to the road is not fun IMO. They should only be used for B-spec Bob and his inability to win races without having a huge advantage.

Stupid solution to a problem that shouldn't exist.

Totally agreed. People who use racing softs all the time are just lazy, and don't want a challenge. IF it were offline so be it, but the trend online is making even more people use them than in gt4 days I bet and it's not right.

PD had that perfect solution in GT5p, and with update 1.06. Then a week later the bastards changed it back. THE TIRES SHOULD AFFECT PP!!!! THAT WAY WE CAN USE WHATEVER WE WANT!!!!!

In a random online room, I use max grip tire available. Aside from that, I try to keep away from them. PD needs to bring PP back into effect for tires, so when someone runs Racing Hards or whatever else tire, they have a fighting chance, would make the racing more interesting.

Well online you have to use the best tires or you'll lose usually. I've got in the middle of the field while using weaker tires but I almost never win.

I completely agree about the tires affecting PP. I couldn't believe when they reversed patch 1.06 (that patch made tires affect PP). For that week that tires affected PP I was having the time of my life and then they RUINED IT. You have no idea how angry I was and still am.

 

[IceMan PJN]

In my view, they're only realistic when used as super qualifying tyres, or drag racing slicks.

Or racing tires, since real racing series use racing softs. F1, for example, has drivers using a softer and harder compound tire in every race, and they use the softer tire not just because the rules say that they must use them for at least some portion of the race but because they actually want to use them. For example, if they end up stopping for tires two or three times during the race, they will typically do as many of those stints on the softer tire, providing that they have sets to use, and then do just one stint on the harder compound, even though they have a few sets of harder tires to use if they wanted to.

Folks who don't follow motorsports seem to often think of soft racing tires as disposable qualifying tires but in actuality they also run a big part of the race, if not most of it, on the softest tire compound, and do so on purpose.

RS shouldn't be available in GT6, period.

Then it wouldn't be much of a driving simulator, now would it? After all, it doesn't just simulate driving a Prius or a Fusion, but also race cars, and race cars use racing soft tires. If we can't use the sorts of tires that the cars actually would run on, it isn't much of a simulation.

use the Racing Softs as crutches. don't call yourself the best racer if you use them all the time.

The same goes for stuff like the magic racing line aid, turning traction control to 1, or setting anti-lock brakes to 1. They pretend that by having them at 1 rather than 0 they're actually not using aids, but they are, and the magic race line basically figures out the driving for you. It's like paint-by-number, except drive-by-color.

 

[Bottoz]

... Adding racing softs you'd gain at least 10 seconds, which is what Bottoz is saying. Unrealistic.

Mac K gets it! 👍

 

[Traviizter]

Driving is more fun on realistic tires because you can be on the edge of grip more often. If you start to lose grip while using racing soft, you'd already be going so fast that it's very hard to recover, and may cause you to either spin out, or be afraid to push the limits of your car.
If you were using sports hard, losing grip happens at much slower speeds, so that way, you can play that delicate game of balancing on the edge of grip. It's MUCH more fun and with most cars it's more realistic.

Absolutely spot on.

Honestly tire selection has ruined GT5 for me. I hate fighting with people about it, I hate having to look everywhere for a lobby I can tolerate.

Happily I found a very good lobby today, had a real blast. You just gotta be lucky with it I guess.

 

[Ellis]

if I can use them I will use them. I don't mind otherwise but I put them on if I can

 

[eran0004]

I don't see the point in forbidding racing soft tires. Are they the best grip in the game? Yes. So once they're forbidden, surely the next step must be to forbid racing medium tires, because they will then be the best grip tires. And this will go on for ever until all that remains are comfort hard.

My advice? Chose the tires you prefer and find some friends who thinks the same as you do, then have some fun racing together.

 

[Traviizter]

I don't see the point in forbidding racing soft tires. Are they the best grip in the game? Yes. So once they're forbidden, surely the next step must be to forbid racing medium tires, because they will then be the best grip tires. And this will go on for ever until all that remains are comfort hard.

My advice? Chose the tires you prefer and find some friends who thinks the same as you do, then have some fun racing together.

No-one's said 'RACING SOFTS ARE GODLY, MUST BAN'. As I stated in my original post, if someone wants to use them somewhat realistically, go right on ahead.
However, my personal opinion (note, opinion =/= fact) is that Racing Softs on a road car is wrong and should not happen; it still does, that's life so what can I do.

 

[Olegonic]

I love 'em. I put them on everything.

No doubt.
If there was a railway road in the game you would definately use one.
I never used them

 

[Mr-McNUGGET]

Use them, love them, don't care what you think about it. True it's "the real racing sim" but it's still a game. If you want to take all the unrealistic parts out of the game, then the first time you bin it at the ring you would be dead. 65 bucks down the toilet.

Now I bet you'd want those rs tires then, huh?

 

[Gazzab247]

One of the most annoying things about this forum is this sort of question. So much elitism over tire choice and aids. In my opinion comfort tires seem completely unrealistic, just like crashing at 150 mph and carrying on like nothing happened. I have nothing against any tire choice and find it can be a great leveller online. Far too many people seem to know all there is to know about tire compounds, have you actually driven the same car on the same track with comparable tires? Probably not.
Rant over

 

[CorvetteConquer]

'Tis a game. Use what you like.

If you need to adapt to the regulations; do so. Race more. Bicker less.

 

[Gazzab247]

'Tis a game. Use what you like.

If you need to adapt to the regulations; do so. Race more. Bicker less.

This exactly

 

[KookiBirb]

They only work great on Group C cars. Putting them in street cars is rediculous and pointless.

For me:

Comfort Softs up to Sports Medium for street cars.

Racing Hard up to Racing Mediums for race cars.

Racing Softs for Group C cars.

This sums up my opinion on RS tires.
I just wish people online applied to this tire setup for their rooms more often.

 

[CodeRedR51]

I agree people can use what they want.

I can also agree that I'll never race against those people cause you won't catch me using them in my rooms and I won't join rooms where people are using them.

In fact, I gave my Miata series MORE power, and LESS tire. (we race on Sport Softs)

But, to each their own.

 

[Traviizter]

One of the most annoying things about this forum is this sort of question. So much elitism over tire choice and aids. In my opinion comfort tires seem completely unrealistic, just like crashing at 150 mph and carrying on like nothing happened. I have nothing against any tire choice and find it can be a great leveller online. Far too many people seem to know all there is to know about tire compounds, have you actually driven the same car on the same track with comparable tires? Probably not.
Rant over

Are you seriously trying to say I'm some kind of fanboy. It's an opinion, it's not fact. AS I STATED, I said if you want to use them, GO AHEAD. I then stated my opinion (read, OPINION) and said I despise when people use them on (weak or tuned) road cars.

Use them, love them, don't care what you think about it. True it's "the real racing sim" but it's still a game. If you want to take all the unrealistic parts out of the game, then the first time you bin it at the ring you would be dead. 65 bucks down the toilet.

Now I bet you'd want those rs tires then, huh?

No.

'Tis a game. Use what you like.

If you need to adapt to the regulations; do so. Race more. Bicker less.

No-one's bickering; an opinion isn't an argument.

To you three: Do what the hell you want! You paid for the damn game, play it how your bloody want, even if your experience is worse from it; I don't give a crap frankly. However, you cannot come in here and try and tell me that I'm attempting to force you to play the game a certain way, or start an argument with anyone regarding the use of Racing Softs. You've made your point, albeit rudely, now leave.