Your thoughts about "standard" vs. "premium"

[JDMKING13]

It depends but since you can change the TCS from on/off ,if you play with TCS obviously the car will not kick its tail out,You shouldn't keep making false statements.

1st of all who the hell drives with TCS on i'm mad you played me like that I did not want to do this but I will take a video for you its not a false claim its the truth the back end of AWD cars in FM3 do not break out under hard acceleration. If I pull the E brake i can break out the rear end but thats only it. I will post up two videos GT5P and FM3 for you. 👍

King send me a friend request. Spagetti69. I'll race you up Fuji, you'll get your back end out then.

No prob man I got you 👍 We will see.

 

[Spagetti69]

Use the Suzuka hairpin, there available on both games.

 

[ferr.ox96]

Just for you to know, this, in my opinion, pointless thread could very possibly be the thread with the most traffic in GTP over the last years. It represents 2,7% of all GT5's forum traffic and 0,5% of all GT series forums in GTP (since they were first launched in 2001/2002). 0,5%! That may not sound like a lot, but for 1,392,144 posts, it's too much. What I cannot believe is how have you been discussing this "Standard Vs. Premium debate", for so long, and even over any delays or major announcements.

 

[Akira AC]

1st of all who the hell drives with TCS on i'm mad you played me like that I did not want to do this but I will take a video for you its not a false claim its the truth the back end of AWD cars in FM3 do not break out under hard acceleration. If I pull the E brake i can break out the rear end but thats only it. I will post up two videos GT5P and FM3 for you. 👍

If this is for real then use the EVO X,also the R34,the Audi R8 and the Subaru Impreza STI(the 2006 model is in both games I think),in the Suzuka hairpin,also in the rally di positano on FM3,at full tilt see what happens .

 

[JDMKING13]

I think it's cause he's from Jersey. Have you not seen Jersey SHore.
It's all legit, yo.

Hmm I dont know where your going with david but 1st I wanna let you know your pretty lame those fools are from Staten Island. Im from Jersey
not the same place David. 👎

It's also pretty funny the above quote, and then reading you announce GT5 as the end all racing game before we have a chance to put it in our PS3.
It's all hilarious.

From what I saw with everything with GT5 IMO it is the best racing game on a console and I bet I am not the only one who feels this way. Once again David you show me your character. 👎 I also played the Demo which was a great experience.

 

[Spagetti69]

Just for you to know, this, in my opinion, pointless thread could very possibly be the thread with the most traffic in GTP over the last years. It represents 2,7% of all GT5's forum traffic and 0,5% of all GT series forums in GTP (since they were first launched in 2001/2002). 0,5%! That may not sound like a lot, but for 1,392,144 posts, it's too much. What I cannot believe is how have you been discussing this "Standard Vs. Premium debate", for so long, and even over any delays or major announcements.

I am fluent in over six million forms of communication.

The chances of successfully navigating an asteroid field is 678000 to 1.

 

[JDMKING13]

If this is for real then use the EVO X,also the R34,the Audi R8 and the Subaru Impreza STI(the 2006 model is in both games I think),in the Suzuka hairpin,also in the rally di positano on FM3,at full tilt see what happens .

My brother is bringing my Xbox right now It will be up in the next hour cant wait to show you this. I will use the Mnes GT-R. Its a powerful car that should have no problem with the rear end breaking loose.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

FM3 fan are realest when it comes to FM3 its a very few on FM.net that keep it real.

I can replace FM3 with GT, and FM.net with GTP, and the statement is equally true. There are members on both sides of the divide, on both sites. Hell, on all gaming sites. In all communities world wide. If people are fans of something, they are far more likely to let bias cloud their judgment and be subjective.

No I have the game go take a Evo/ Mines GT-R and hit up MT Fujima gas it hard through all turns and see if the EVO/GTR back swings as it does in GT5P. It doesn't it stay glued to the ground as it did in FM1.

Er... the Mines stays pretty glued to the road in Prologue unless it's on crap tires. Nevermind that Prologue still hasn't fixed the low-speed physics problems that plague GT since the PS2 days (though, to be fair, the TT demo seems to have fixed it).

From what I saw with everything with GT5 IMO it is the best racing game on a console and I bet I am not the only one who feels this way.

JDM, I like you, I like your always-positive attitude, but... so what? A bunch of people having a hunch about an unreleased game being great doesn't make it any more likely. People can argue and talk trash about other released racing games all they want, but the big difference between FM3 and GT5 so far is that only one is a known quantity.

Not wanting to play faux-mod, but we're veering off-topic and inching dangerously close to some personal attacks in the last page or so. Can we get back on course? I've seen a lot more criticisms about the Standards since the delay was announced; in the official delay thread, in the comments on the News page, in the General thread. It looks like there are more than a few of us who do find their inclusion a disappointment (even though, again, I know I'll end up using some of them).

 

[Spagetti69]

Audi r8 is is prologue too isn't it? Use that bad boy please.


This is getting silly by the way.
Your brothers not travelling 50 miles or something is he?

 

[Devedander]

WOW again have you ever visit the FM.net before I don't think so.

Wait, do you mean the official forza forums or one of the other ones?

This is to funny, Because I can get over something which most Adults have to have this characteristic in life I'm in denial damn. I wonder what it makes you, but i cant get all into that dont wanna get into trouble with the mods.

Not it's funny that you are so good at rationilzing that you seem to fool even yourself.

Trust me folks who know you understand this

I'm nothing if not reliable!

Damn I saw that coming.

Probably saw it comming years away

Dev do you have FM3? I do so im pretty sure I have accepted the sorry physics in the game and the short comings. I have had everyone so please stop trying to play that corny game with me man. I still say FM3 is a fun game that I have enjoyed with my buddies.

Niope... I ended up mostly playing a borrowed copy a while back but my Gold expired and I like online play so I switched mostly to PS3 (I got one in anticipation of GT5 09 Xmas) and between GT5P, other racing games and MW2/BFBC2 haven't had any reason to plug in the 360 for a while now. Actually gobbled up a few days with the old Xbox and Rallisport Challenge... there's a game that needs a next gen sequal.

But in short I never had to "accept" the physics in any of the Forzas. I always simply took them as being different than GT. Neither is perfect and both are very playable. Just like the physics in Dirt, NFS etc are all different. And all their quirks bother me just as much now as ever.

See I don't have any allegiance or devotion to any of the games or their manufacturers... I don't feel the need to defend their shortcomings or rationlize them. I don't feel the need to come up with some "average" feeling of all the componenets... if I love the crashing I love the crashing and if I hate the steering I hate the steering etc etc etc... it's not like I can't have more than one opinion about a games parts so I never have to say "well the crashing is great but the sound is horrible so the game is average and the sound isn't so important because the crashing is so much better...

I always feel the sound is horrible and the crashing is great or whatever the case may be.

@ dave Little man that is some funny stuff man.

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[JDMKING13]

I can replace FM3 with GT, and FM.net with GTP, and the statement is equally true. There are members on both sides of the divide, on both sites. Hell, on all gaming sites. In all communities world wide. If people are fans of something, they are far more likely to let bias cloud their judgment and be subjective.

Thats all I'm saying. Dev trying to make it seem the FM.net is different than GTP in that they don't worship their product i'm glad i'm not the only one who sees it the same with both forums.

Er... the Mines stays pretty glued to the road in Prologue unless it's on crap tires. Nevermind that Prologue still hasn't fixed the low-speed physics problems that plague GT since the PS2 days (though, to be fair, the TT demo seems to have fixed it).

Hmm Slip only with R tires I feel that the Mines GT-r stays glued to the road S tires different story especially when turning and hitting the gas the rear slides out every time 👍

JDM, I like you, I like your always-positive attitude, but... so what? A bunch of people having a hunch about an unreleased game being great doesn't make it any more likely. People can argue and talk trash about other released racing games all they want, but the big difference between FM3 and GT5 so far is that only one is a known quantity.

Slip I think you are a real, cool dude, yes i try to stay positive but i'm still wish we had 1000 premiums cars with all cockpits but we don't. crying and whining isn't going to change anything. I was explaining to Dave why I feel GT5 is going to be the best racer for any console so I don't know what the problem there. Its not like i'm making this stuff up. You see the information just as I do, only difference is that I played the GT5 Demo so i have a better influence.

Not wanting to play faux-mod, but we're veering off-topic and inching dangerously close to some personal attacks in the last page or so. Can we get back on course? I've seen a lot more criticisms about the Standards since the delay was announced; in the official delay thread, in the comments on the News page, in the General thread. It looks like there are more than a few of us who do find their inclusion a disappointment (even though, again, I know I'll end up using some of them).

No prob man I was never the type to come at anybody sideways, But i'm tight at Dave for that yo statement it defiantly has me feeling a certain way.

 

[Luminis]

To butt in on this a little...

WOW again have you ever visit the FM.net before I don't think so.

I'm a regular over at FM.net and really, half of the threads over there are locked because they were complaints in one way or another. Ever since the Forza Ultimate Collection, aka. the scam, has been anounced, FM.net has been flooded with complaints on various topics.
You've gotta respect the mods for closing them down that fast, though

No I have the game go take a Evo/ Mines GT-R and hit up MT Fujima gas it hard through all turns and see if the EVO/GTR back swings as it does in GT5P. It doesn't it stay glued to the ground as it did in FM1.

Depending on the settings on your diff, it won't kick out at all, that's true. It'll just understeer straight into the next wall... Send more torque to the rear and it will kick out. Not as much as a RWD car, but it will.

What kills the AWD cars is how AWD impacts the PI system

 

[Instrumental]

I kind of like that there are standard and premium. It gives me a sense of reward to obtain a premium car and thus is another motivation in the game. That being said, having DLC afterwards would work well.

 

[Spagetti69]

I kind of like that there are standard and premium. It gives me a sense of reward to obtain a premium car and thus is another motivation in the game. That being said, having DLC afterwards would work well.

This is a spoof post right, I guess not and your untitled to your opinion.

I think I'm jealous of guys like you in a way. Always seeing the positives.

Glad you like the two tier system. It worked out well for you.

 

[Devedander]

I'm a regular over at FM.net and really, half of the threads over there are locked because they were complaints in one way or another. Ever since the Forza Ultimate Collection, aka. the scam, has been anounced, FM.net has been flooded with complaints on various topics.
You've gotta respect the mods for closing them down that fast, though

That's what I am talking about... I think they are a bit heavy handed with the closing down negative threads over there and if you essentially close down/kick out all the negative voices, you end up with overly positive.

But reality is I don't think FM fans in general have every just been ready to gloss over the issues... they are no hardcore sonic fans to be sure, but they don't just bend over and love it either.

But i'm tight at Dave for that yo statement it defiantly has me feeling a certain way.

What yo comment?

This is a spoof post right, I guess not and your untitled to your opinion.

I think I'm jealous of guys like you in a way. Always seeing the positives.

Glad you like the two tier system. It worked out well for you.

Sometimes it really is good to always be able to see the positive... even I can do it when it counts...

For instance once my girlfriend told me she was cheating on me with my friends... gutted... but then I found out between all of them I was the biggest!

Gotta keep seeing the positive right!

 

[Akira AC]

For instance once my girlfriend told me she was cheating on me with my friends... gutted... but then I found out between all of them I was the biggest!

Gotta keep seeing the positive right!

That is a good one 👍 ,I been checking the FM forums and you guys are right,they block faster that what they can post,which is a shame in a community forum, where the community cannot communicate,in any case the intentions of this threads have a meaning,and they shouldn't be closed.

 

[JDMKING13]

That's what I am talking about... I think they are a bit heavy handed with the closing down negative threads over there and if you essentially close down/kick out all the negative voices, you end up with overly positive.

But reality is I don't think FM fans in general have every just been ready to gloss over the issues... they are no hardcore sonic fans to be sure, but they don't just bend over and love it either.

Aw c'mon on your going to use the Forza Ultimate collection thread anybody would be upset at that. Them boys over there are getting screwed just as when we got the delay news. The best GT fan was pissed about that. Im talking about when the game 1st surface.

What yo comment?

Dont worry about man it all good nothing dealing with you.

Sometimes it really is good to always be able to see the positive... even I can do it when it counts...

For instance once my girlfriend told me she was cheating on me with my friends... gutted... but then I found out between all of them I was the biggest!

Gotta keep seeing the positive right!

Apparently you where not the biggest just my observation.

 

[Spagetti69]

Please dont say the ex was.

 

[Devedander]

Aw c'mon on your going to use the Forza Ultimate collection thread anybody would be upset at that. Them boys over there are getting screwed just as when we got the delay news. The best GT fan was pissed about that. Im talking about when the game 1st surface.

I don't recall exactly what you are talking about, and I am sure there were periods of over excitement and exuberance that were uncalled for here and there, but I can safely say that there have always been people who were unhappy about unfixied issues in FM3 and haven't given up the battle yet.

Dont worry about man it all good nothing dealing with you.

Oops, due to my SN I get called Dave a lot so I thought you were talking about something I said.

Apparently you where not the biggest just my observation.

Why are you observing me!

Please dont say the ex was.

Not that there would be anything wrong with that!

 

[Khaddar]

That is a good one 👍 ,I been checking the FM forums and you guys are right,they block faster that what they can post,which is a shame in a community forum, where the community cannot communicate,in any case the intentions of this threads have a meaning,and they shouldn't be closed.

There's a stickied thread in the main forum for discussion of the FUC issues, in theory for both positive and negative opinions on it (although last time I looked at it there'd been about 3 positive posts in 63 pages). Posts in there aren't being deleted or edited except for profanity, just as posts here are edited for profanity.

There's really no benefit in allowing hundreds of threads venting the same opinions to clog up a forum, as there are still half a dozen other FM.net members who might like to discuss other things

 

[JDMKING13]

Why are you observing me!



Not that there would be anything wrong with that!

D thats funny It was fun arguing with you as always we haven't in a while, I know you must keep the balance right on the Planet. 👍

 

[Akira AC]

BTW I was checking and it seems that the so competitive forza ultimate collection and stig garage is not a DLC,Its a full game that you have to pay,you cant have it as DLC,so there are rumours that this version of the game will be held,anyway I'm thinking in shifting over NFS shift or R-factor at least they don't delay or held back anything(I just want to drive the SLS which is fortunately premium).

 

[Spagetti69]

Of course it will come out as dlc eventually. Same as the ltd edition status and cars.
It's all about the money, honey.

 

[Akira AC]

Of course it will come out as dlc eventually. Same as the ltd edition status and cars.
It's all about the money, honey.

I don't get M$ marketing strategy,they betray fans by making them buy the game again (60$ in US),the same with just 10+ cars and some videos from Topgear.com ,against GT5(but not coming out yet) at the same price with TG test track and everything,so in conclusion you can have an Xbox and a PS3 but the only thing that wont let you down is PC,there is an awful lot of cars and tracks to choose from,I really thinking in going PC.

 

[Devedander]

BTW I was checking and it seems that the so competitive forza ultimate collection and stig garage is not a DLC,Its a full game that you have to pay,you cant have it as DLC,so there are rumours that this version of the game will be held,anyway I'm thinking in shifting over NFS shift or R-factor at least they don't delay or held back anything(I just want to drive the SLS which is fortunately premium).

OT here but I am sure this will all become DLC in a few weeks/months.

T10 is just making a stab at the market trying to sell a few more copies and steal some thunder from GT5. Releasing as DLC does not generate any new sales as that just means people who already own the game will buy the DLC. Also considering you can pick up used copies for cheap, many people would probably opt to buy the used copy and some DLC which means no money for T10.

By selling it as a non DLC exclusive they get money for the sales and potentially steal some GT5 sales or even confuse some people out of GT5 sales (grandma I want that game with race cars and top gear stig guy).

This little refresh to the Forza name nets them some sales and market now, maybe even gets a few existing owners to buy a new copy like a sucker and in a few months, the content hits DLC because that's basically free money.

Basically it's a wise business decision and a money grab.

I don't get M$ marketing strategy,they betray fans by making them buy the game again (60$ in US),the same with just 10+ cars and some videos from Topgear.com ,against GT5(but not coming out yet) at the same price with TG test track and everything,so in conclusion you can have an Xbox and a PS3 but the only thing that wont let you down is PC,there is an awful lot of cars and tracks to choose from,I really thinking in going PC.

Sadly most companies betray their fans... why? Because in this market with lots of options and things changing fast, devoties are fewer and further between than at any time and the hardcore need to realize something: By defintion the hardcore are the minority and no business panders to the minority.

It sounds good to say you need to reward your hardcore fans, but honestly almost any business would sell out their hardcore fans possible future purchases for money in the pocket now.

After all, as long as your game is decent, there will always be a hardcore. They might not be the same guys as last year, but that's the beauty of a fan base... it's dynamic and regenerative.

 

[II IVORBIGUN II]

Posts in there aren't being deleted or edited except for profanity, just as posts here are edited for profanity.

Sorry but thats rubbish.

My posts are now moderated on FM.net after replying to someone asking advice about a wheel. I replied and said "don't buy the MS wheel as its crap".

I can think of many members who are either banned or moderated and the reason for this was for posting frequent negative comments about FM3. Obviously someone asked the Mods to move or delete negative comments because they feared this would hurt the sales of FM3.

Sadly most companies betray their fans... why? Because in this market with lots of options and things changing fast, devoties are fewer and further between than at any time and the hardcore need to realize something: By defintion the hardcore are the minority and no business panders to the minority.

It sounds good to say you need to reward your hardcore fans, but honestly almost any business would sell out their hardcore fans possible future purchases for money in the pocket now.

After all, as long as your game is decent, there will always be a hardcore. They might not be the same guys as last year, but that's the beauty of a fan base... it's dynamic and regenerative.

I disagree.
What keeps franchises going is the loyal hardcore fanbase.

Now I believe FM3 sold 2.8 million copies. I can confidently say that FM4 will not sell as many copies due to upsetting its loyal fanbase.

 

[VXR]

Or they find it gets tiring, seeing the same old tripe brought up again and again. And even more so because you keep whining about it on here as well. The Forza 'community' is so painfully emo these days.

 

[JDMKING13]

Videos uploading now you will see the difference between the games GT5P Mines GT-R rear can actually swing out when mashing the throttle around turns while FM Mines GT-R stick to the ground with just understeer no oversteer I saw a clip of the mines GT-R on Best Motoring video and the rear slides out with no problem.

 

[II IVORBIGUN II]

Or they find it gets tiring, seeing the same old tripe brought up again and again. And even more so because you keep whining about it on here as well. The Forza 'community' is so painfully emo these days.

What are you on about? I was talking about giving someone advice about a wheel and never mentioned the other problems that FM3 has. My opinion is the MS wheel is cheap plastic crap that I had the misfortune of wasting my money on.

 

[VXR]

Videos uploading now you will see the difference between the games GT5P Mines GT-R rear can actually swing out when mashing the throttle around turns while FM Mines GT-R stick to the ground with just understeer no oversteer I saw a clip of the mines GT-R on Best Motoring video and the rear slides out with no problem.

The Audi R8 will power-over on FM3 through Suzuka's hairpin, but only if you clip the rubbing strip on turn-in. It does however break traction from lowish revs in second if you unsettle the car and then apply power. Considering the RWD cars are pretty spot-on, it's a shame the 4WD cars have been botched.