Your thoughts about "standard" vs. "premium"

[Greyum]

I believe standar cars will look great but im concerned of how much it will annoy me that you cannot change the wheels

As long as the standard wheels are in great detail and look real and not flat like previous GT games

Ohz noz, the wheelz... Seriously folk, if it's so important that you must be able to change wheels, go and play Forza 3.

is there any word/confirmation on spoilers being available on standard cars? i know rims is purely cosmetic but spoilers are important. sorry if its already been discussed, the search function wasnt helping and i cant watch youtube at work

Yes, you can, but they are pretty much the same basic bolt-on crappy wings that were in GT4. Nowhere near as detailed as the aero kits for premium cars.

Oh, and rims are not just cosmetic - they are key element to the performance of the car. Are you trying to tell me that there is no difference between a 15", 185mm rim is not going to offer the same handling characteristics as an 18" 225mm rim.

 

[barryl85]

Ohz noz, the wheelz... Seriously folk, if it's so important that you must be able to change wheels, go and play Forza 3.

If you have nothing useful to say dont say it at all.

There is a lot of standard cars that I love and being very into the import scene changing the wheels for a lighter/wider/diff offset forged wheel is part and parcel within the scene.

If you knew anything about racing/tuning IRL you would appreaciate that anything that changes the rotational mass on a car/vehicle has a great effect on its handling.

Its very disappointing that a game thats ben in development for 6 years cannot do this compared with their previous games where you could chenge the wheels on almost every car.

No one mentioned forza but if you must bring it to our attention then yes Forza clearly knew their fans would want such a feature and implemented it.

Yes, you can, but they are pretty much the same basic bolt-on crappy wings that were in GT4. Nowhere near as detailed as the aero kits for premium cars.

Oh, and rims are not just cosmetic - they are key element to the performance of the car. Are you trying to tell me that there is no difference between a 15", 185mm rim is not going to offer the same handling characteristics as an 18" 225mm rim.

So you go from being a smart ass in the first part of your post to actually giving a constructive reason as to why you should be able to change the wheels........

Waste of my time replying to you

 

[shigllgetcha]

Yes, you can, but they are pretty much the same basic bolt-on crappy wings that were in GT4. Nowhere near as detailed as the aero kits for premium cars.

thats good then as it effects handling

Oh, and rims are not just cosmetic - they are key element to the performance of the car. Are you trying to tell me that there is no difference between a 15", 185mm rim is not going to offer the same handling characteristics as an 18" 225mm rim.

changing the rims in the gt auto area was always cosmetic it never changed the sizes. its obvious from my post what i meant, there's no need to be a jerk about it

 

[dr Dunkel]

THANK YOU.

You have just explained why I sometimes hate the GT fandom, even though I love the game; they critisize other games like Forza for lacking some things, and then forgive GT when it posseses the same missing feature.

It's jaw-dropping.

Pretty much like in the Cult of Jobs. Scary...

My take: The way I see it, the game has 200 cars and 800 standers-by relics from last gen. Hopefully (rather, a must) the game catalouge will grow substantially.

is there any word/confirmation on spoilers being available on standard cars? i know rims is purely cosmetic but spoilers are important. sorry if its already been discussed, the search function wasnt helping and i cant watch youtube at work

I can't believe some actually think that rims are only for show. Are people so afraid of saying something that could be interpreted as liking to be able to change things that are not performance oriented, that some just say "No" without knowing why?

 

[shigllgetcha]

I can't believe some actually think that rims are only for show. Are people so afraid of saying something that could be interpreted as liking to be able to change things that are not performance oriented, that some just say "No" without knowing why?

changing the rims in the gt auto section was alwasys cosmetic, thats all i meant.
i havent heard any word of being able to change size of the rims on the premium cars so there's no need to jump down my neck

 

[barryl85]

If more poeple knew about real life racing maybe they would be more pis**d of like some of us are.

Everyone says go play forza if you want to change rims but they at least had the weights of the wheels and allowed you to change the width / height - but i was always unsure how much this affected the physics.

6 years for this game to be made and you cannot do this? I excpected a lot more from PD on this and thought they would at least have had change rims and thought they could have the physics spot on as usual with the changes of wheel weight/width/heignt.

 

[analog]

If you don't like it don't buy it, if you want to change rims, use cockpit view on all cars, buy *insert other game title on a different console*.
Stop complaining cuz we knew this months ago already, rims are just cosmetic anyway, who needs them, GT is only about physics you know!
200 Premiums are more than anyone needs cuz I only use 20 cars and the difference between Standard and Premium is irrelevant cuz I only use bumper/hood/chase cam and I don't crash a car ever!
And if you're negative, you're just hating on Kaz, you ungrateful 🤬.

This imaginary quote sums up the tiresome "arguments" used often in this thread, not buying GT5 isn't an option for me because I already have a PS3 and am dying to play it next Wednesday as nothing compares (at least on the PS3) even when it only has about roughly 200 cars which interest me and switching the brand of console to play another title instead isn't a serious option for me either.
I've played every GT since 1998 and the decision to buy my first PS (and following iterations) is based purely on GT being a PS exclusive title.
I consider myself a loyal fan (but based on my own interest, not a loyalty based on blind respect) but that doesn't mean those who are fans can't be critical, in fact they should be in my opinion to provide much needed feedback to improve the series.
Why do you think people are critical and post as much as they do in this thread anyway?
Because they don't like the GT-series? On the contrary, why complain as much and spend time doing so if you could easily switch to another game or simply choose not to buy GT5?
The reason people express discontent on certain elements (not the game entirely) is because they care and actually dare to be critical to hopefully improve the series in the future.
If people simply applauded whatever is given and didn't question a decision made (including a two-tier system is a decision made) why even discuss GT5 on a forum anyway if all we did was being awestruck and shout our blind appreciation?
Wouldn't be much of a discussion, now would it?
And it wouldn't show PD what we desired or dislike.
Again preaching to the converted no doubt, as stupid "arguments" will undoubtedly still be posted after this post.

 

[H22A7]

I agree with you Analog.

I'm surprises nearly everyone here is only happy because it is GT5, and whatever there is in the game they are just happy.

Only 200 cars will be real HD cars, and people say : it's great, we don't have to play standard cars anyway".

If GT5 is like it is today, i mean all the features that were added (roll over, cockpit view, damages) it is mostly thanks of the opponent on other platforms which implemented it years ago.

Same with the Ferrari and Porsche licenses while we had them in almost all the other racers, even with damages in PGR and Forza.

I'm waiting to play GT5 to have my own opinion. Perhaps I'll like driving these standard cars...

 

[nismopower]

hi all,
my opinion about premium vs standard is :
it sucks but at least it has 1000 cars. and the people who flame fm3 should first play it.
i played it almost a year and its a good game. but perfect HELL NO.
will gt5 be perfect no. but thats because you cant please EVERYBODY!!!.
hell when i read that standard wont have cockpit etc. i was mad. but then i thought meh too bad. cant change it soo just take it as a men, and look at the good things.
GRAPHICS are awesome. allthough all i saw are blurry cam video´s
the photomode pics are ALMOST real. soo focus on all the positives of gt5 and play it like a pro
btw sorry for my bad english im from holland and been a while since i typed english

 

[Dapper]

@ Toronado: I was referring to opinions on something subjective, standard cars, where there is no wrong answer. Besides that, your sky analogy is erroneous, the sky changes color constantly and considering all the variables in one's eye/brain plus the environmental variables leaves infinite possibilities for what color the sky really is. BTW, it is very foggy and very grey outside my house right now.

 

[pizzamonkio]

I have solved the problem of no cockpit in standard view!

I made this last night because I was tired of hearing all the bickering about this subject. It only took me like an hour to make. I customized it by putting the Evil Monkey from Family Guy on the steering wheel. All you have to do is use the bumper cam. lol

 

[WolfRacer543]

I have solved the problem of no cockpit in standard view!

I made this last night because I was tired of hearing all the bickering about this subject. It only took me like an hour to make. I customized it by putting the Evil Monkey from Family Guy on the steering wheel. All you have to do is use the bumper cam. lol

Yeah there's no picture appearing...

 

[gaming25]

This imaginary quote sums up the tiresome "arguments" used often in this thread, not buying GT5 isn't an option for me because I already have a PS3 and am dying to play it next Wednesday as nothing compares (at least on the PS3) even when it only has about roughly 200 cars which interest me and switching the brand of console to play another title instead isn't a serious option for me either.
I've played every GT since 1998 and the decision to buy my first PS (and following iterations) is based purely on GT being a PS exclusive title.
I consider myself a loyal fan (but based on my own interest, not a loyalty based on blind respect) but that doesn't mean those who are fans can't be critical, in fact they should be in my opinion to provide much needed feedback to improve the series.
Why do you think people are critical and post as much as they do in this thread anyway?
Because they don't like the GT-series? On the contrary, why complain as much and spend time doing so if you could easily switch to another game or simply choose not to buy GT5?
The reason people express discontent on certain elements (not the game entirely) is because they care and actually dare to be critical to hopefully improve the series in the future.
If people simply applauded whatever is given and didn't question a decision made (including a two-tier system is a decision made) why even discuss GT5 on a forum anyway if all we did was being awestruck and shout our blind appreciation?
Wouldn't be much of a discussion, now would it?
And it wouldn't show PD what we desired or dislike.
Again preaching to the converted no doubt, as stupid "arguments" will undoubtedly still be posted after this post.

There is a difference between critiquing and complaining. There are recommendation threads and wish lists that people can make on this forum. But people saying that the game is awful or wont be of quality (like many posts in this thread say) is ridiculous.

 

[fitftw]

I think I'm going to pick up a 360 for Forza 3 along with GT5. I remember going to my friend's place to play Forza 3 and I modified my Miata in the game and I made it exactly like my real car. I had Enkei RPF-1's on it painted green, etc you could also put a Garage Vary front lip or a Racing Beat bodykit on it. Will GT have real-name aftermarket brand bodykits? Doubtful. GT let me down hardcore but I've been a fan since 1998 so it's not a dealbreaker, but it sure is disappointing as all hell.

 

[gaming25]

I think I'm going to pick up a 360 for Forza 3 along with GT5. I remember going to my friend's place to play Forza 3 and I modified my Miata in the game and I made it exactly like my real car. I had Enkei RPF-1's on it painted green, etc you could also put a Garage Vary front lip or a Racing Beat bodykit on it. Will GT have real-name aftermarket brand bodykits? Doubtful. GT let me down hardcore but I've been a fan since 1998 so it's not a dealbreaker, but it sure is disappointing as all hell.

GT was never known for its exterior customization as much as it is known for it's racing.

 

[dr Dunkel]

changing the rims in the gt auto section was alwasys cosmetic, thats all i meant.
i havent heard any word of being able to change size of the rims on the premium cars so there's no need to jump down my neck

Ah, I understand and I'm sorry if I came on hard. It's just so strange to read that wheels are just cosmetic and that this is stated as a fact.

The most important aspect of changing rims is the weight. Many OEM rims are really heavy and a nice aftermaket could shave off considerable unsprung weight, resulting in quite the change... that is why I think this should have been implemented in Standard cars as well.

 

[cuco33]

I knew the car disparity existed between premiums and standards. I figured it would only be in the graphics department but then we hear no cockpit view, which personally isn't my preferred view but it sucks. Then hearing you can't upgrade wheels and its a black eye. I still have my CE preordered from Amazon and doubt I'll change it. If done right, wheel upgrades aren't just a cosmetic thing. You'd opt for the option because wheels would be lighter, larger/smaller and wider ultimately giving you performance boost. This mean 80% of cars can't benefit from a wider lighter wheels. As a huge car nut, wheels are very important. Their the car's dress shoes so to speak. C'est la vie

 

[MasterDriver]

I voted leave as it is...but I probably really meant to vote for DLC.


I'd love to have 100000000 premium cars, but if its not possible, then I'll take whatever Polyphony can produce. I never question their quality and its why i'm a franchise fan. I've played all the GT's and plan on playing them for the forseeable future. Every GT release is like Christmas day to me. When I sit down in my chair and put my hands on the wheel for the first time with GT5, i'm going to have the biggest smile on my face.

Polyphony Digital are top-of-their-class developers and i'll let them do what they do best...DEVELOP. I don't care for forza or the younger kids. I have a passion for GT and its won me because of a visionary known as Kazunori Yamakuchi. I'll keep him employed for as long as i'm able, because he breaths PASSION and PERFECTION only a very few other developers can even dream of having.

If they release Standard Upgrade DLCs, i'll buy them all. PERIOD.

~done

 

[MasterDriver]

I knew the car disparity existed between premiums and standards. I figured it would only be in the graphics department but then we hear no cockpit view, which personally isn't my preferred view but it sucks. Then hearing you can't upgrade wheels and its a black eye. I still have my CE preordered from Amazon and doubt I'll change it. If done right, wheel upgrades aren't just a cosmetic thing. You'd opt for the option because wheels would be lighter, larger/smaller and wider ultimately giving you performance boost. This mean 80% of cars can't benefit from a wider lighter wheels. As a huge car nut, wheels are very important. Their the car's dress shoes so to speak. C'est la vie

Rims have ALWAYS been cosmetic ONLY in the GT series.

Just fyi..

 

[shigllgetcha]

Ah, I understand and I'm sorry if I came on hard. It's just so strange to read that wheels are just cosmetic and that this is stated as a fact.

The most important aspect of changing rims is the weight. Many OEM rims are really heavy and a nice aftermaket could shave off considerable unsprung weight, resulting in quite the change... that is why I think this should have been implemented in Standard cars as well.

no i understand, just wanted to clear up what i meant.

 

[TT3AZ]

Any one with the game, who can say anything about the tuning opportunities for standard cars, compared to premium? I most intessted in standard ones since they are 80% of the cars .

Can some one please check out the supra mkiv and tell me the tuning possibilities

 

[cuco33]

Rims have ALWAYS been cosmetic ONLY in the GT series.

Just fyi..

That I know but the GT series also never had damage nor online (sans gt5p) up until late. If its a feature in premiums and isn't cosmetic only, then the same should be true for standards.

 

[Pedersen]

I voted leave as it is...but I probably really meant to vote for DLC.


I'd love to have 100000000 premium cars, but if its not possible, then I'll take whatever Polyphony can produce. I never question their quality and its why i'm a franchise fan. I've played all the GT's and plan on playing them for the forseeable future. Every GT release is like Christmas day to me. When I sit down in my chair and put my hands on the wheel for the first time with GT5, i'm going to have the biggest smile on my face.

Polyphony Digital are top-of-their-class developers and i'll let them do what they do best...DEVELOP. I don't care for forza or the younger kids. I have a passion for GT and its won me because of a visionary known as Kazunori Yamakuchi. I'll keep him employed for as long as i'm able, because he breaths PASSION and PERFECTION only a very few other developers can even dream of having.

If they release Standard Upgrade DLCs, i'll buy them all. PERIOD.

~done

Think you sum up the essence of GT spot on, and I could not agree more. Hell, give me low quality standard cars without hd extras applied, I would still emty my credit card with a smile every single time.

Hell, everyday playing a GT is like christmas. Never fail to give you a huge uncontrollable smile on your face, standard or premium, I couldnt be bothered less

 

[Tenacious D]

That I know but the GT series also never had damage nor online (sans gt5p) up until late. If its a feature in premiums and isn't cosmetic only, then the same should be true for standards.

Yes, but the wheels have to be modeled and physics properties attached. From what I understand, the GT4 wheels aren't even transparent until you get going a certain speed.

Plus, keep in mind what we've been going through the past several months. We begged for a release date, and at E3 we finally got one. We latched onto it like wolves. When we learned at the end of September or so that there would be one more indefinite delay, some of us went crazy. And crazier as the days went on and a new release date wasn't given. When the final one was announced at last, it seems we latched onto this one like piranha!

So let me ask you guys: would you rather delay the game another indefinite period of time to put rims on Standards??

Frankly, I just want the darn game. I'll be happy to enjoy the Standards as is, and wait for GT6 to modify hundreds of cars rendered to GT5's Premium level. Or ask for DLC replacements, even if you have to pay for them.

The game is done and out the door. At some point acceptance has to come into the picture, because endless ranting will achieve nothing but ulcers and bad feelings. You have to go, "Oh well..."

But then, by all means, say, "Now, about GT6..."

 

[Lucas]

Well you shouldn't take him seriously. This is his fav thread and he trolls real hard. This thread is more than 100days old. Let's say he makes 2-3 post in this thread that means 200-300posts in this thread alone. If Webmaster can check somehow I won't be surprised if he has more than 500posts moaning and complaining over it in this thread

I can understand people disappointment over standard cars but making hundreds of post isn't it too much. I think he should get banned otherwise he will go on to make more than thousands of post here and it is really annoying

>Devedander trolls real hard
>Devedander trolls
>Devedander

Does not compute.

May I ask you why do you think Devedander is trolling? Could you cite examples too? I'll wait.

Kings a funny guy.
He doesn't learn from his misstakes and proceeds to put foot in mouth on regular occasions.

King is a pretty cool guy. eh discusses with Devedander and doesnt afraid of anything.

(Sorry, had to do it)

Well, dude, because a certain poster is an immense Forza fan and has nothing bad to say about it, and yet considers GT5 to be "half-assed," or at least implies it is.

It's funny how some things you say could apply to you if you switched two games in that sentence.

By the way, why should he say anything bad about Forza in the first place if this is a thread dedicated to GT5?

There are still people mentioning sporadically that Forza/Turn 10 is the model PD should have followed, since "they produced a game with 500 cars in two years" according to some of them. As if farming out modeling work to third world countries has produced photo real, impeccable, bug free models by the terrabyte. And as if Forza ran like a brand new F1 car, rather than a Space Shuttle loosing tiles and needing an inspection before re-entry in case... you know, it blows up or something.

I don't seem to ever recall you mentioning them bringing up "other games" needlessly. I guess the only game you can be critical on a GT board is Gran Turismo, and you haven't reached internet puberty unless you've bad mouthed it a few times.

Okay, make yourselves relevant to SONY. Unlike some monopolies, they need your money. Educate them to the fact that you expect better from them and dangle money in front of them, and say, "THIS can be yours if you make me happy with the NEXT GT game. And if you want me happy, you have to do (A, B, 1, 2, X, Y...)"

A: Be able to change wheels on standard cars.
B: Be able to change wheels on standard cars.
1: Be able to change wheels on standard cars.
2: Be able to change wheels on standard cars.
X: Be able to change wheels on standard cars.
Y...: Be able to change wheels on standard cars.

Is that really asking too much? Really? All I ever wanted, all I ever needed, were standard cars that were not inferior in any form to GT4 cars. You want my list of what I wanted for GT5? Here you have it, you decide if I was asking too much:

1 - GT4 cars plus more.
2 - GT4 tracks plus more.
3 - GT4 features plus more.
4 - Better physics than GT4.

And the less important thing I wanted:

5 - Better graphics than GT4. (20.000 polygons per car was more than acceptable, considering GT4's cars had in average 4.000 per car and they look pretty good, as you have said so many times.) Keep in mind I'm not mentioning cockpit because it was not in GT4, and I never asked for something that wasn't in GT4 that were not cars or tracks.

So, what did we get from that? Certainly not 1 and not 2, which means a lot to me. And a new thing to ask for GT6 after seeing this standard vs premium issue:

6 - Every car and track to be equal.

I'm sorry for asking too much, PD. :sad:

Give standards custom wheels.

I guarantee if PD did that via a patch, a lot of people would stop complaining (like myself).

Someone who understands. Finaly.

Deavedander has bee ntrolling around in this thread since it's existed. And has been bashing standard cars since. Standard cars could come with free beer for a year, a sex hole, and a million dollars, and he would still bash them.

I find it really hard to respect the opinion of a Darwin Award winner. I try to ignore it. But when you say the bolded part, I just... The above question asked to gtracedriver now applies to you too.




Sorry to everyone who has to skip through this. The hypocrisy in this thread has gone way too far.

 

[maxpontiac]

Let me get this straight: He should be banned. For discussing things. On a message board.

Everyone has the right to an opinion, and speak it.

However, there is a point in which it becomes painfully obvious that things have already been said more then once, twice, thrice, one hundred.

As is the case in every debate, the end game has been reached in this discussion, and there is little more to be said (in a thread this big) that will result in anything other then a pointless waste of time.

 

[Luminis]

Personally, I find it rather impressive that this thread has turned into a debate about whether people are even allowed to criticise standard cars/Gran Turismo/PD...

Every time someone dares to criticise the game, a GT white knight will jump at his throat and try to shut him up.
Devedander being accused of trolling is just one example of this.

 

[Pedersen]

Personally, I find it rather impressive that this thread has turned into a debate about whether people are even allowed to criticise standard cars/Gran Turismo/PD...

Every time someone dares to criticise the game, a GT white knight will jump at his throat and try to shut him up.
Devedander being accused of trolling is just one example of this.

Personally I find it rather impressive that people bother to use their time to criticise something they have never tried yet. People have their right to opinions, but in alot of cases people act like they have all the facts at hand, yet know more or less nothing.

People are free to talk like they wish, but doing so without having put some time down in the product at hand don't really make sense to me. It's like pulling air out of your behind and demand that a random new car is horrible, because the hood looks wrong,and therefor surely the rest of it must be just as bad.

Random stuff aside, call me a GT white knight if you must. At least most of us come here because it's GT planet, after all, not Whine and Cry central. Would people still be crying over stuff if they had not seen anything about the game untill it came out, had played for a day or two, then came back to the forums to talk about it? I think not. At least very few would. Most would be full of joy over the amazing graphics, the even more amazing physics and all you can do inbetween.

 

[Tornado]

Would people still be crying over stuff if they had not seen anything about the game untill it came out, had played for a day or two, then came back to the forums to talk about it?

Yes. And the complaining would be louder and more widespread than it is now. In fact, that is still probably going to happen.

 

[Pedersen]

Yes. And the complaining would be louder and more widespread than it is now. In fact, that is still probably going to happen.

Well, I suppose you are correct. Good thing I will be way to busy racing and having an awesome time to notice it then.