Your thoughts about "standard" vs. "premium"

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What would you have rather had PD do about "premium" vs. "standard" cars

  • Keep everthing the same

    Votes: 324 19.1%

  • Release the game later with all the cars "premium"

    Votes: 213 12.6%

  • Not do "premium" cars at all but focus on other features i.e. dynamic weather

    Votes: 134 7.9%

  • DLC packs after the release

    Votes: 844 49.8%

  • Wished PD didn't get are hopes up, lol

    Votes: 180 10.6%
  • Total voters
    1,695
Shinu
The difference between most of you and me that GT5 will be my first (cant find GT4 in my country) FULL GT (exept GTpsp) and I'm used to PC sims .

In conclusion My expectations are lower then yours, and I will be seeing everything with fresh eyes (as if GT5 was a new franchise). I think you people should try to do that too, you would be happier.
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Dude..it might be easier for us if we didnt play GTPrologue. but we did for over two years.and when PD took forever,there was solace in thinking they too forever because of interior modeling of the then rumored 850cars..
 
I don't want to quote the whole post again, so let me just say...

@Devedander: a very well thought out post that sheds some light on the events which lead up to the current discussion (which can not be advanced without more new information anyway). 👍
 
I see a serious waste of time in this thread. I don't know what you all wish to achieve with the same handful of people going over and over then over the facts stating the same points on every page. But its your lives i guess, spend them as you wish, I am off the beach to mix with some chicks, both standard and premium, have fun.
 
shadynader
I see a serious waste of time in this thread. I don't know what you all wish to achieve with the same handful of people going over and over then over the facts stating the same points on every page. But its your lives i guess, spend them as you wish, I am off the beach to mix with some chicks, both standard and premium, have fun.
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And as long as they stick with the AUP then they can carry on going over and over it for as long as they like.

Please don't spam threads in this manner, as that is against the AUP. If you don't like the content of a thread and the discussions don't interest you, then its quite simple, don't post in it.

All your comment here is likely to do is start and argument and the forums are busy enough thesedays without the staff having to do with things like this.


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Devedander
You mean like over here at the official GT website where they standard cars section has a picture of them and then a video showing them?

http://us.gran-turismo.com/us/news/d5247.html
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Yes I have seen those pictures and video. I dont think the cars look that bad. I think those standard cars look a lot better than they did in GT4 but its not good enough for some people. Some people want all 1000 cars to be premium but want the game yesterday. You cant have everything your own way (that goes to everybody thats complaining)

Im not going to argue over this anymore , because its pointless.
 
steve30x
Yes I have seen those pictures and video. I dont think the cars look that bad. I think those standard cars look a lot better than they did in GT4 but its not good enough for some people. Some people want all 1000 cars to be premium but want the game yesterday. You cant have everything your own way (that goes to everybody thats complaining)

Im not going to argue over this anymore , because its pointless.
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What you fail to realize is it was expected. Read yet another Devedander's wall-o'-text in case you haven't already. This one is quite a good explanation on why some people are happy with the standard cars and others outraged.
 
Ive read that post already. I realize some people thought all cars were going to be much , much higher quality , but the standard cars shown dont look that bad. I think the standard cars shown look much better than they did in GT4 which I am happy with even if theyre not as good as they are in prologue.
 
kingcars
Oh. Wow. Seriously? People are still clinging to the hope that the standard cars video and all the proof surrounding it is all a lie? This is a hopeless quest.

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(lol @ typo)

There are gonna be a lot of disappointed people come release day.



Hmmm...it's odd how those comparisons are actually true though, isn't it? Oh wait, the standard cars video is a fake. I forgot, my bad. Standard cars are actually 200,000 poly models from Prologue.
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:lol:

First of all the standard video looked really good to me. Not as good as E3 trailer or for that matter other trailer released by Sony of GT5. Secondly since you like to round in circles it is ok ;) I am sure the final product will look great. There was already some comparison between standard models and other racing games. It looks pretty good to me even from the video grab screenshot
 
RedSuinit
Oh, wow, you mean people are still complaining about getting 800 extra car models just because they have less polygons? Oh, wait, that's right, because the 200 premium models aren't far more detailed than anything seen in a racing game to date, and most games in this genre COME with AT LEAST 200 vehicles in the first place! Right?
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You don't read my posts, do you? I've said MANY times that the NUMBER of cars does not bother me. I would have been happy with just 200 premiums. Or I would have been even happier if this were the case:

Devedander
Had PD started off or at least early on come along and said "For whatever reason (timing - desire -feasability) we will be releasing GT5 with 200+ ultra high detail incredible cars" that would have been the expectation.

Then later on had PD then said "GT5 is coming along great, we will relase soon, and guess what... we will be including a bonus... all the cars from GT4 will be ported in and will look even better than GT4 with GT5s new lighting engine and will work with GT5's awesome new physics engine AND as an ADDED bonus - they get mechanical damaged and even limited visible damage!" the response would have been legitimately much different!

We would have been absolutely WOWED... we just got 400% more cars in GT5 as a bonus!
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But of course, you like to forget/ignore that in my posts and just take horrible pot shots at me that actually have nothing to do with my argument.

@devedander: Great post 👍
 
That 'standard' car trailer could look nicer for our eyes if they was a HD ver of it online.I downloaded it,playd it on my tv and my bro thought it was GT4 on.... :( ,I dont mind the models that much,just that the interior isnt there...so,its basically 'Vision Gran Turismo' for 800 cars and 200 GT5 cars.anyone know if that video can be found native 720p?
 
KilzoneStrife
That 'standard' car trailer could look nicer for our eyes if they was a HD ver of it online.I downloaded it,playd it on my tv and my bro thought it was GT4 on.... :( ,I dont mind the models that much,just that the interior isnt there...so,its basically 'Vision Gran Turismo' for 800 cars and 200 GT5 cars.anyone know if that video can be found native 720p?
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Here is the HD video of standard cars ;)
http://cdn2.gran-turismo.com/jp/common/data2/movie/20100616_e3/gt5_standardcars.mov
 
August 18, GamesCom, held in Cologne, Germany: Gran Turismo 5 has been announced! Here is the latest information on the game design:

■ models included
1,000 vehicles
170 Premium new models (full interior modeling, the interior corresponds to vehicle damage)
830 kinds of standard model (some are from Gran Turismo 4 that have been carried over to GT5) [Read: Cars we have seen in GT4 before ]

■ Courses
60 courses confirmed with 20 or more to be revealed

■ physical simulation of vehicles
Physics system simulation is brand new
Represented is full fall in vehicles [possibly rollover]
Damage representation (reproduced in full by real-time collision deformation)
faithfully reproducing the behavior of electric cars, i.e. Prius, Insight, hybrid cars and the latest Tesla model

■ Arcade Mode
Single Race
2 player battle

■ GT Mode
World Map
My Garage
Car Dealer
Tuning Shop (parts, tires)
Car Washes/Oil Change
Race Championship (Series system, point system)
License Test

■ Online
Open Lobby
Text / Voice Chat
Private rooms
Online Photo Album
Online Replay Album
YouTube replay output

■ Photo Mode
Photo Drive (Circuit)
Photo stage (Stage Photo mode only)

■ Gran Turismo TV
Video output to a PSP or PSP Go®
Progressive Download
Improved user interface
Continuous Play for videos

■ Museums
The Gran Turismo 5 Prologue version, + more information at TGS

■ Sound
Custom soundtracks (Use songs from your PS3 hard-drive)
Dolby Digital 5.1 and 7.1

■ User Interface
The Gran Turismo 5 Prologue, and the same design concept. The icons change color
Able to track the movement of Cockpit Camera interface (confirmed in full 3-D. The camera can be fully manipulated and you can opt to have your head tracked by the PSEye)

Im saying D they did give us this information i don't know how many took this though. Also they cant give us everything, if you compare this list of info to what we know now we got more info Ex standard card have damage and mechanical damage.

This is from Amar The Winds have Started to Scream and their Words are even Clearer thread many people in this thread posted their feelings on the standard car issue way back, but now for some reason its all new :lol: If you go to that thread around page 70 to 90 it has the same arguments as this thread. :lol:

paulpg87
I friend of mine that knows japanese translated it in italian for me ( i asked to traslate only cars part) and it understood this :
1000 cars (all with cockpit and maybe damage), 170 (with damages also in cockpit) 830 (with cockpit and esterior damage, not damage in cockpit and seen since gt4). the 170 are premium dont' know what stand for maybe pay for it.
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CobraNZ on the issue last year
Cobra_NZ
Well I'm very disillusioned.:( I woke up this morning and first watched the PS3 Slim video. I was literally punching the air and clapping. I was saying to myself "Way to go Sony, you guys finally did it!". There I was thinking Sony will now win the console war. I was awaiting the big GT5 to really close the deal with me, but... Then I realized there is no GT5 trailer. Then I read the GT5 confirmed features, albeit the translation of it. Now I'm quite sad to be honest. Here are the things that spell "FAIL" to me about GT5:

-No confirmation of livery editor (paint editor, decals, vinyls, window tinting, carbon fibre parts, etc)
-No confirmation of external tuning parts (removal of existing or adding of after market exhausts, body kits, wings, canards, etc)

I don't want a car designed by PD, I want my very own, I am an individual.

-Possibility of No interior for all cars or No damage for all cars (translation makes things a bit unclear but either way it would be a massive disappointment, should both of these statements be misread it may make me forgive all the other shortcomings:tup:)
-No confirmation of ability to roll cars over as a result on an accident (possibility does not quite cut it after seeing some of the latest games simulate that in spectacular fashion)
-No confirmation of drag racing (as boring and simple as it may be it's just fun and no driving game should be without this type of competition)

I want the full GT5 package, in now way am I prepared to wait for DLC or GT6 to get what I want, not after how long I've been waiting for GT5. To be honest I've been waiting for these features since GT2, so that's over a decade. No more, I'll settle for Forza Motorsport 3.

-Confirmation of NASCAR and WRC licensed competitions (if indeed those are the only licensed ones)
-No confirmation of Porsche, Maserati, McLaren manufacturers (I'm referring to the McLaren F1 model)

Why not the Japan, Europe or US, GT and Super GT competitions? Why not F1, F2000 or many other open-wheel competitions? Why not many of the single model competitions around the world?Why not IndyCar? Even that competition is more interesting and fun to play than NASCAR. If they do confirm they have plans to release these competitions as free, or not, DLC, I may forgive this bad choice of licensed competition. As for missing out on Porsche, Maserati, and the McLaren F1, well I don't need to emphasise just how disappointing that would be.

There are of course many things about GT5 that will make it a fantastic game and I do see the GT5 being a popular game. I've been a GT fan all my life, and in my heart I want it to be the better driving game. But there are a fair few shortcomings at the moment. I understand other GT fans will try to be positive, or forgive or indeed lie to themselves that there's more there it's just that PD are holding back. But I like to work with facts not delusion...

EDIT: As for GTM, Why? GTM would not win the console war, GT5 would! The time and publicity wasted on GTM was a very bad idea. GT5 should have come first, then GTM.
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RedSuinit
You mean you and others do the exact same thing that you attack other people for doing?

Moving on is one thing, attacking another user for a certain behavior and then doing it to someone else when it fits your agenda is poor form, and unacceptable.
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I meant we know that when an argument reaches a certain point, it's time to let it go.
If you find is unacceptable, use that little REPORT button and it will be taken care of.
 
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kingcars
You don't read my posts, do you? I've said MANY times that the NUMBER of cars does not bother me. I would have been happy with just 200 premiums. Or I would have been even happier if this were the case:



But of course, you like to forget/ignore that in my posts and just take horrible pot shots at me that actually have nothing to do with my argument.

@devedander: Great post 👍
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Lol, sorry, it was a sarcastic remark in response to a sarcastic remark. I was just messing around. But JDM just made us all look somewhat silly. It looks like it was explained to us a long time ago, and people missed it continuing to sew wild fantasies, creating over-exaggerated expectations.
 
RedSuinit
Good post. Not much I can say to that. I guess as a realist I knew that there was no way all 1000 cars were going to look that good, so I am not really THAT surprised, and MY expectations haven't been let down. However, I do understand your point, and it is a legitimate one.
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Oddly as one of the biggest realists around here the thought never even crossed my mind... I just figured that's what was taking PD this long...

I guess for me it's like seeing a great deal on a steak at the store "July 4 weekend sale, NY Steak $1.99/lb!". Now I think, that's a sweet price and what deal for the holiday bbq!

Then I get there, and it turns out they have somehow cut it so there is a huge bone taking up 70% of the package of meat... now I say "that sucks, I am paying for mostly bone, that price is not very good since it's mostly bone!" and some one says to me "well you can't have everything! Of COURSE for $1.99/lb it's gonna be mostly bone!".

In my book, you advertise meat in a way that everyone advertises meat and you normally do and then you stick a huge bone in it, you can't really argue that it obviously was going to have a huge bone, because the implication was very much that it didn't, it was just a smokin deal!

Shinu
Yes, and for dents you need higher poly count. Tessellate at very least. Dents/deformation is usually done by moving polys, and if you don't have enough of them in a specific area, it will look weird.
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Somewhat OT, do we know standards will have real dents or will they just have drawn on textures of dents?

steve30x
Yes I have seen those pictures and video. I dont think the cars look that bad.
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"That bad" isn't a very precise term so it's hard to argue, but most of us are just saying they don't look as good as we were led to believe they would.

JDMKING13
August 18, GamesCom, held in Cologne, Germany:

170 Premium new models (full interior modeling, the interior corresponds to vehicle damage)

830 kinds of standard model (some are from Gran Turismo 4 that have been carried over to GT5) [Read: Cars we have seen in GT4 before ]


Im saying D they did give us this information i don't know how many took this though. Also they cant give us everything, if you compare this list of info to what we know now we got more info Ex standard card have damage and mechanical damage.
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I saw that too, and that's one of those times when I think reasonable implication says that if a large dichotomy in visual quality was going to exist, it would be mentioned more specifically or else you really aren't "telling". I mean look at what we have now and there are still those that hold out that the cars will be somehow upped to Gt5p quality by release. It's pretty obvious (especially to a company like PD who have been through this game a few times) that THAT line at GC isn't really telling us what it turns out to be.

I think the part that says "read: cars we have seen in GT4 before" was not in the official statement but rather a paraphrase to sort of clarify why it was there and suggest that THAT is why it's mentioned, NOT anything about visual quality.

In hindsite it's easy to put the pieces together and see through the wool, just like in hindsite it's easy to see what amars winds were saying, but again, what I was saying is, in reality, within reason, PD didn't act sufficiently to set expectationts.

Basically, now we see it and say "yeah they said it right there" but be honest with yourself, back then when you saw that, considering what PD had showed up until then and how conspicuosly absent any detailed info on this rather huge news was present, wouldn't you say that's not "really" telling us standards will look lower quality but more like "only some cars will have damage and interiors - read all cars will look the same from outside until they are damaged at least"?

Basically I am saying that was somewhat of a lie of omission and we were not really (reasonably) told until now.

That and also GC last year was very late in the game, when I say early on, it would have had to be pretty far back in the game to really be effective.
 
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Devedander
Oddly as one of the biggest realists around here the thought never even crossed my mind... I just figured that's what was taking PD this long...

I guess for me it's like seeing a great deal on a steak at the store "July 4 weekend sale, NY Steak $1.99/lb!". Now I think, that's a sweet price and what deal for the holiday bbq!

Then I get there, and it turns out they have somehow cut it so there is a huge bone taking up 70% of the package of meat... now I say "that sucks, I am paying for mostly bone, that price is not very good since it's mostly bone!" and some one says to me "well you can't have everything! Of COURSE for $1.99/lb it's gonna be mostly bone!".

In my book, you advertise meat in a way that everyone advertises meat and you normally do and then you stick a huge bone in it, you can't really argue that it obviously was going to have a huge bone, because the implication was very much that it didn't, it was just a smokin deal!



Somewhat OT, do we know standards will have real dents or will they just have drawn on textures of dents?



"That bad" isn't a very precise term so it's hard to argue, but most of us are just saying they don't look as good as we were led to believe they would.



I saw that too, and that's one of those times when I think reasonable implication says that if a large dichotomy in visual quality was going to exist, it would be mentioned more specifically or else you really aren't "telling". I mean look at what we have now and there are still those that hold out that the cars will be somehow upped to Gt5p quality by release. It's pretty obvious (especially to a company like PD who have been through this game a few times) that THAT line at GC isn't really telling us what it turns out to be.

I think the part that says "read: cars we have seen in GT4 before" was not in the official statement but rather a paraphrase to sort of clarify why it was there and suggest that THAT is why it's mentioned, NOT anything about visual quality.

In hindsite it's easy to put the pieces together and see through the wool, just like in hindsite it's easy to see what amars winds were saying, but again, what I was saying is, in reality, within reason, PD didn't act sufficiently to set expectationts.

Basically, now we see it and say "yeah they said it right there" but be honest with yourself, back then when you saw that, considering what PD had showed up until then and how conspicuosly absent any detailed info on this rather huge news was present, wouldn't you say that's not "really" telling us standards will look lower quality but more like "only some cars will have damage and interiors - read all cars will look the same from outside until they are damaged at least"?

Basically I am saying that was somewhat of a lie of omission and we were not really (reasonably) told until now.

That and also GC last year was very late in the game, when I say early on, it would have had to be pretty far back in the game to really be effective.
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How fast can you type?
 
To be honest most of the time, the cars are so small on the screen in Prologue, I don't even see all the details!
The only time you see anything is in photomode all zoomed in
 
Devedander
Somewhat OT, do we know standards will have real dents or will they just have drawn on textures of dents?
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Probably no dents, since is in the official GT site, damage won't be necessarily enabled for all races, so I presume when you're racing in a mixed grid ( Standard and Premium ), the damage is limited to scratches only mode, and this probably due to the lack of deformation in Standard models. Nothing confirmed, just speculating.
 

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