Your thoughts about "standard" vs. "premium"

[dylansan]

Strittan, are you seriously saying that PD could remove 800 cars from the game, and you would find that better than leaving them in?

You don't want to drive the Lancia Stratos? Or the Classic Mini? Or the C1 Corvette? Or the VW Nardo? Or the classic Alfa Romeos? I could go on and on.

The point is why wouldn't anyone be excited to drive these cars with new realistic physics, great graphics, new tracks, day/night transitions and all the other new features? Why wouldn't anyone be excited to drive a classic Alfa Romeo against the new 8C? (assuming they let us, which honestly I think they will) These are all things you can't do in any other GT game, and it just wouldn't be as good a game if you took all that away.

 

[Luminis]

They should give us less? For nothing? The standard cars aren't that bad. Just think of GT5 having 200 cars, with the standard cars as gravy. That's better than not having the option to have 800 cars

See, one of the points is this: If you can't choose whether you want the standards or not (which would require them to be seperated from the premiums in one way or another), it's not an option anymore. If they're truly optional (like, you can choose whether to 'enable' them or not), those who care about quantity can have them and those who care about quality won't be bothered by them.

REAL gamers/enthusiasts just want to play the game.

REAL gamers/enthusiasts just care about quality instead of quantity.

Yay for pointless generalisations.

 

[JDMKING13]

Strittan, are you seriously saying that PD could remove 800 cars from the game, and you would find that better than leaving them in?

You don't want to drive the Lancia Stratos? Or the Classic Mini? Or the C1 Corvette? Or the VW Nardo? Or the classic Alfa Romeos? I could go on and on.

The point is why wouldn't anyone be excited to drive these cars with new realistic physics, great graphics, new tracks, day/night transitions and all the other new features? Why wouldn't anyone be excited to drive a classic Alfa Romeo against the new 8C? (assuming they let us, which honestly I think they will) These are all things you can't do in any other GT game, and it just wouldn't be as good a game if you took all that away.

Ding Ding Ding 👍

 

[Forgetful]

Coulda, shoulda, woulda, Iwanna, whaaaaa

At some point you have to accept the reality, and either get over it, or move along... or go in to competition with PD.

 

[Spagetti69]

I remember when 1000 cars of the same quality was a bragging right over other games which merely had 400 cars.

 

[witham]

Strittan, are you seriously saying that PD could remove 800 cars from the game, and you would find that better than leaving them in?

You don't want to drive the Lancia Stratos? Or the Classic Mini? Or the C1 Corvette? Or the VW Nardo? Or the classic Alfa Romeos? I could go on and on.

The point is why wouldn't anyone be excited to drive these cars with new realistic physics, great graphics, new tracks, day/night transitions and all the other new features? Why wouldn't anyone be excited to drive a classic Alfa Romeo against the new 8C? (assuming they let us, which honestly I think they will) These are all things you can't do in any other GT game, and it just wouldn't be as good a game if you took all that away.

I absolutely with you don't take this the wrong way (or you can if you want) Strittan you are talking a load of rubish if you don't wnat the 800 standard cars just don't buy them or look at them. simple!!!!

 

[analog]

I could care less about how the cars are modeled or anything like that.
I just want to play the game.
REAL gamers/enthusiasts just want to play the game.

So by that logic I'm not a "real gamer" which is something I can live with quite happily thank you very much.
As for not being an enthusiast, what exactly constitutes being a "real" enthusiast in your world anyway?
Caring for and appreciating a cars appearance ( even in a game as it's supposed to be truthfully replicated ) is quite an accepted form of behaviour amongst car enthusiasts of all kind.
Only caring for the appearance is a bit ignorant or shallow perhaps to be called a true enthusiast, but in a game the graphics do not only make for great eye-candy but also form part of the info to be processed whilst playing and the immersion and enjoyment it provides as an accurate portrayal of the real thing.
REAL gaming enthusiast want an all encompassing experience, not just focus on one or two things......

 

[Spagetti69]

The graphics I don't care about.

800 missing cockpits is a major letdown from Kaz, who told us to expect perfection.

Just don't get on with other views, so yes I will miss driving the stratos and other classics Pd run out of time with.

 

[GTXLR]

Two versions of GT5: 💡

GT5 Premium only version

GT5 Premium and standard Version

Which will you buy??

 

[yellowclone]

I for one, welcome standard cars. Maybe it should have been marketed differently, saying we will get 200, complete down to the last bolt/wire, and then as a bonus, we are getting 800 nicely remastered cars from previous GT games, rather than say 1000 cars from the get go, and turn out to be split the way they are. Having said that, I think the standard cars will look great with the new lighting along with other things they have given them to bring them up to above GT4 cars. The new physics are also welcome to drive our old cars with, along with some new tracks. I love some of the GT4 cars, and if standard is the only way to get them in GT5, I welcome them.

Imagine how much fun it would be with 16, completely stock, VW Beetle's at the "ring", at night, online with your friends or members from here. To me that is what this game is all about. Sure it is fun running all out in a Bagatti on a city street, but I feel it is also fun being in all equally matched slower cars racing side by side with friends. That is what makes GT so much fun. Who cares how many threads the seat belt has in a Enzo, I sure don't, and that is not why I am excited about GT5. I actually think they have over exaggerated things like that. For instance, look at a close up picture of the Challenger. You can see the stitching in the seat, which is fine and all, but you can not see that stitching in real life when you are outside of the car. They over exaggerated that effect to make it look like more detail. However, to make it look more life-like, you should not be able to see the stitching on the seats, unless you were in the car looking around. I am not complaining about the premium cars at all, but they are not perfect either, so why gripe about a few jaggies, or painted on shutlines on the standards, when all I care about is racing and having fun with BOTH types of cars.

 

[analog]

The graphics I don't care about.

800 missing cockpits is a major letdown from Kaz, who told us to expect perfection.

Just don't get on with other views, so yes I will miss driving the stratos and other classics Pd run out of time with.

Couldn't agree more, sub-par graphics wouldn't bother me as much if I was at least able to watch them from cockpit view.👍

 

[Forgetful]

I remember when 1000 cars of the same quality was a bragging right over other games which merely had 400 cars.

So now it's just the far more complex physics calculations, 16 cars on track, free online, day to night transition, how much its graphics hold up during gameplay, the quality of those 200 premium cars, the quality of the track models... have you seen their de-forested Nürburgring?

 

[Spagetti69]

Two versions of GT5: 💡

GT5 Premium only version

GT5 Premium and standard Version

Which will you buy??

actually there's only one version, that's the unfinished one.

 

[JDMKING13]

The graphics I don't care about.

800 missing cockpits is a major letdown from Kaz, who told us to expect perfection.

Just don't get on with other views, so yes I will miss driving the stratos and other classics Pd run out of time with.

Yeah I still wont believe it until i see someone driving a standard car or when i play the game and don't see it. I love cockpit view so much and with out them i will be very sad, however I still understand GT5 will be the best racing game on any console. I will enjoy this game for years. 👍

 

[Strittan]

Strittan, are you seriously saying that PD could remove 800 cars from the game, and you would find that better than leaving them in?

You don't want to drive the Lancia Stratos? Or the Classic Mini? Or the C1 Corvette? Or the VW Nardo? Or the classic Alfa Romeos? I could go on and on.

The point is why wouldn't anyone be excited to drive these cars with new realistic physics, great graphics, new tracks, day/night transitions and all the other new features? Why wouldn't anyone be excited to drive a classic Alfa Romeo against the new 8C? (assuming they let us, which honestly I think they will) These are all things you can't do in any other GT game, and it just wouldn't be as good a game if you took all that away.

Now whose opinion is not respected?

No, I do not want to drive those cars unless they'll be featured as premiums. What I like the most about GT has always been the graphics and with GT5 they have replicated 200 cars perfectly. I am and has always been a hardcore car enthusiast, and that's why I like the premium cars, because it's as close to the real cars as we've ever seen in a game. If physics and close online races was all I cared about I would concentrate on iRacing and rFactor.

I love physics as well of course, and if GT was an arcade game but only with amazing graphics I wouldn't like it. It's the combination of all aspects that makes the game incredible, but graphics are ranked higher in my opiion than in other's.

I'll only use the premium cars and you won't, end of duscussion....................

 

[dylansan]

You're only limiting yourself that way. If you were a car enthusiast you would want to drive the most accurate form of the Lancia Stratos there was, which is the GT5 standard version.

What you like most about GT is the graphics? There you go. You're not a car enthusiast. If you were, you would have said "What I like most about GT has always been the cars and driving them"

You say it's the combination of all aspects that makes the game incredible, but you're forgetting the most important aspect in a racing game: the cars.

I respect your opinion, and this is just mine, but I really think you're missing the point of the GT series.

 

[Griffith500]

I'm having a hard time making my mind up about whether the standard cars will entertain me as much as the premium cars (i.e. whether their inclusion will make me so very happy indeed.)

I think this is because we still don't know a lot about the (presumably) new customisation features. If tuning / parts modification is the same as GT4, there won't be a problem. But, if they introduce a new, more fine-grained system I would be quite disappointed if it did not extend to the standard cars.

Again, how disappointed I'll be, in reality, I won't know until I start playing the game.
But, as we all know, disappointment is only the disappointee's fault, due to poor management of expectation...

Just to be a pedant: the most important part of a racing game is the racing. It could be cars, cows or custard creams - it's still the racing that matters.

 

[opladener]

Perfection is part of the problem, I think.
I guess they originally wanted to make all cars premium, but became over-obsessed with the detail. Then they noticed they ran out of time because of various reasons (GT PSP being one of them, it was originally scheduled AFTER GT5 but Sony wanted to push PSP:GO sales).

What they have now is a foul compromise. Including the GT4 models surely has taken time, too. Making them work with the new physics engine etc. If they had left them out, that time could have been use to make more premium cars.

To me its not 200 vs. 200 +800 - its more like 200+800 vs maybe 4 or 500.
I know what I would choose

 

[Lucas]

Even if I'm the only one with this opinion, I will always I think PD made a big mistake by including to completely different types of cars.

You are not the only one. The game would feel more complete to me should it have only 200 (Premium) cars instead of 200P + 800S.

That doesn't mean that I wouldn't drive the standard cars, though.

 

[Strittan]

You're only limiting yourself that way. If you were a car enthusiast you would want to drive the most accurate form of the Lancia Stratos there was, which is the GT5 standard version.

What you like most about GT is the graphics? There you go. You're not a car enthusiast. If you were, you would have said "What I like most about GT has always been the cars and driving them"

You say it's the combination of all aspects that makes the game incredible, but you're forgetting the most important aspect in a racing game: the cars.

I respect your opinion, and this is just mine, but I really think you're missing the point of the GT series.

Dude, you can call me whatever you want, but don't tell me I'm not a car enthusiast.

Just because I'm a hardcore car enthusiast it doesn't mean I like all types of cars, especially not the Lancia Stratos (LMAO). I happen to be into classic american cars, hot rods, customs and muscle cars and have been as long as I can remember... Luckily for me the '69 Camaro (which is my all time real life favorite car), '71 Challenger and '69 Corvette are featured as premiums.

 

[Dan Hill]

For me its a shame but not too dissappointing as I always have an outside view.

 

[analog]

I love some of the GT4 cars, and if standard is the only way to get them in GT5, I welcome them.

You must not confuse the type of cars which are Premium or Standard with the actual cars we'd all ( presumably ) like to drive.
I think it's safe to say the car collection of GT4 isn't discussed here, it's the fact the majority of those cars I really loved in GT4 being Standard possibly not offering the same experience ( read cockpit view mostly in my opinion ) as the Premium cars do.
I also had enormous fun driving humble cars like the Beetle, 2CV, etc. in GT4 but I expected to play them again on the next level after 5 years, not merely graphically retouched, playing them online and running on a new physics engine, etc. ( come on, that's the very least we might expect on this gen ).

 

[JDMKING13]

You are not the only one. The game would feel more complete to me should it have only 200 (Premium) cars instead of 200P + 800S.

That doesn't mean that I wouldn't drive the standard cars, though.

This really confuses me

 

[Akira AC]

BTW the whole argument about premiums standard has driven us to a nonsense of post,in this case I might have found something rather interesting:

Well a member did a video of standard vs premiums a couple of days ago,if you want check it out:


now I want you to look at 1:30 ,there is a clear comparison of standards vs premiums right,now here is the thing since we are watching videos the claims of low res models doesn't apply,why?


The video is most likely ripped or with lower resolution that the premiums and trailers,there is no way to confirm this unless you look at the track and other elements,it clear that a close up in a low res video will look pixelated,and since mayor assumptions of quality are based on this,there is no base point to claim that GT5 standard are direct portraits from GT4,all assumption and criticism are based on one minute of video, which is not enough to judge the quality of these cars.

 

[Spagetti69]

I know what your saying analog.
Will we have to wait for next gen to play this gen?

Where does it end?

 

[Strittan]

This really confuses me

Why is that? He simply means that if we only had premium cars it would be more like it was one complete game as it's supposed to be. Now it's like "What the hell, throw those GT4 cars in there as well.." which makes it a mix between two games instead of one complete game. Hard to explain for those not sharing the opinion though...

 

[analog]

I know what your saying analog.
Will we have to wait for next gen to play this gen?

Where does it end?

I think that Kaz, when releasing the first title on the PS4, proudly announces the car models were more suitable for the PS5.
And then we all go, oops he did it again, and then start comparing real life cars to the ones in game and start complaining the real cars actually look worse as they don't show the insane amount of visible detail apparant in the 20 Ultra-Premium cars he managed to create in 15 years time.........

 

[JDMKING13]

i think that kaz, when releasing the first title on the ps4, proudly announces the car models were more suitable for the ps5.
And then we all go, oops he did it again, and then start comparing real life cars to the ones in game and start complaining the real cars actually look worse as they don't show the insane amount of visible detail apparant in the 20 ultra-premium cars he managed to create in 15 years time.........

wow....

 

[Forgetful]

"What the hell, throw those GT4 cars in there as well.."

You say that like it's a bad thing.

which makes it a mix between two games instead of one complete game. Hard to explain for those not sharing the opinion though...

Which makes it two games in one! What a brilliant idea... Give everyone the GT4 they really always wanted, with full online and improved physics, on a graphics processor that can handle the graphics (GT4 was limited by the PS2s capabilities), and then a full new game, with 200 new cars. Last time GT moved to a new console (GT3) they showed up with less than 200 cars, total, and GT3 was the best selling GT of all time.

It's not what PD did, it's how you interpret it.

 

[Spagetti69]

Gonna be along time playing catch up.

If you need a new driveway paved. Don't ask Kaz.