YSSMAN's Infinite Crisis: Blackest Night (Post #816)

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YSS, I couldn't wait until spring. I couldn't even wait until I had enough money for this one.
 
Unfortunately I'm broke for now, nursing a computer bill and a car repair bill that isn't drying up fast enough. Hopefully I can write the computer off with taxes as a "school expensive" (it was), and furthermore, get my money back for tuition costs. That way I can pay both of those off, save up a lil' bit of money, stick a "FOR SALE" sign in the Vee-Dub, and line a Miata up for purchase.

...I'm actually looking forward to finding one somewhere out of state so I can fly out and pick it up (hopefully Florida, I can visit family!). Then I can have the experience of driving it back, make a pitstop in Hogback, and head-home.
 
Well, YSS, If anyone bugs you about the MX-5, tell them to follow you on a winding road and see what happens...

I mean, it is one of the most popular SCCA race cars for a reason, right?

Keef, I sense much sarcasm in your posts...what would you rather him get, an S2000? Bit out of the price range...
and every 17 year old Import fan has a Civic or Integra... It takes a real man to buy a Miata...to use it for it's intended purpose.

I also believe that it takes a real man to buy an Integra and keep it bone stock and drive it like a sane person ;) I'm probably in the minority with that, and I love my Integra to pieces. It's one of the few I've ever seen that are unmolested and in great condition with ~10k a year on it. I know what you mean about having lots of young "import fans" getting a hold of them and managing to dent every single panel on the car and putting an obnoxious wing on them. It's a shame, really.
 
That is true, and good on you for keeping your car the way it is. I guess I'd be okay with one, but I'd still wish the drive wheels were out back. I kind of resent Honda for only making four RWD (FR and MR) cars in their entire history.

In order
S500/600/800
NSX
Beat
S2000
 
Bah! Honda has a personality as a company. Sportiness is apparent in every car they make, and when you cars them as good as them it doesn't really matter what wheels make it go.
 
Quite right, its part of the reason why I love the Prelude (pretty much any generation) so much. Its a wonderful car to drive, even if it is FWD, handling like its on rails no matter what.

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We had a nasty snowstorm today, several inches in the matter of an hour or two. As we speak, its still snowing rather hard, and its not something I particularly like. Good case for the Subaru choice, I assume, but I'd still rather have the Miata on personality alone.

Odd really, I see there is a Forester for sale across the street. I'll give it a look tomorrow to see how much they want for it just-in-case.
 
Perhaps it's an omen, but I saw my first Baja actually in person yesterday at Meijer. I still say it's a cool car, even my mom commented on it and I didn't even have to point it out like I usually do when I see cars I like :P
 
The Baja is really funky. Was it available in manual? Would be great as a starter car.... 💡
 
YSSMAN, you might need to reconsider your Miata idea. I was reading the Dear Dave editorial in the January issue of Sport Compact Car in which a reader asked about how to "mildly" tune his Forester. Dave loves Foresters. He told a story about one of his driving experiences in them which encompassed boring trafficy highway use, offroad abuse, and windy backroad driving and he said he just loves the car in general. I'll write up the article later since I can't find it on SCC's site.
 
Dear Dave
I did a day-after-Christmas drive from San Fransisco to LA in a Forester XT and my life has never been the same since. The day started dreary, staring down the barrel of a 400-mile traffic jam but, about 75 miles in, the Forester opened up a whole new world.
Interstate 5 is a straight, featureless four-lane hell stretching across the vast, arid plains east of San Fransisco, made incomprehensibly worse by thousands of restless, angry vacationers brake-checking each other. After 10 miles of this, I was ready to shoot myself. After 50, I was ready to shoot everyone else.
At mile 75, I got off at the only exit for 15 miles in either direction. There were no paved roads here, only a quartet of packed gas stations with lines of pee-wee dancing kids. Unable to face to crowds and unwilling to rejoin the southbound conga-line of rage, I pointed to Forester west and mashed the gas. Destination be damned, I needed out.
The road devolved into a pair of tire tracks skirting the edge of a dirt farm. The Forester devoured the rutted trail at 70mph. When I finally came to a fence, I turned left, on the logic that south is the direction of LA, and at least I could get lost in the right direction.
I did get lost. Fantastically lost. The roads went from dry dirt- to potholed pavement, to deep mud and snow. I stumbled upon New Idria, and abandoned mining town that once survived by digging lead and asbestos out of the ground and poisoning the world with it. I passed slack-jawed ATV riders whose sense of isolation was shattered by the sight of a suburban brat-fetcher powersliding past them in axle-deep mud. The stress of Holiday traffic was forgotten, replaced with an unparalleled sense of freedom and invincibility.
When the dirt ended, I found myself on Highway 25, not only one of the best roads in California, but also decidedly in the right direction to get me home. Here, the very same vehicle that just carried me through the slickest and thickest stuff nature can concoct out of mere dirt and water turned into a sports car. A tall, boxy, kinda sloppy sports car, but pretty capable nonetheless. I attacked the road with triple-digit pace, burling the big wagon into lurid drifts and leaving four skidmarks out of every corner. There is no other car, I'm convinced, that combines back-road joy and off-road agility so effectively.

[snip]

He loves it. But it's ugly. It's an all-round good car, but it's just as boring as it is good. The Miata isn't good at anything besides what it's good at, and because of that it's never boring. The Forester is mature (boring) and the Miata isn't (not boring).

So?
 
Its still a tough call, I'll have to drive both back-to-back. If I can get the VW running properly, I may drive it a bit longer, but I want a new car for the summertime. Particularly a Miata if everything works out.

I hate how its so nice here for seven or eight months and just terrible for the next five or six. These past two days have been a pretty good case against the Miata, no matter how good the snowtires on it may end up being...
 
Today there was patchy ice all over the roads even though they were salted. I'm guessing that means it was below 20 degrees. Also, a 20mph wind. And yes, the Miata will be worthless in 3 inches of snow. I nearly got stuck trying to get the Si home yesterday as it was snowing, and there was less than 2 inches down.
 
Official Update of YSSMAN's "Infinite Crisis"

As if Christmas Day, 2007​

So, I've been doing some thinking and things are a bit tough. With near-certainty, I'm hoping to have a new car by the end of the school year, but of course there are still plenty of variables that may in fact derail that plan completely.

So, an updated list of requirements:

- Must be no more than $10,000 USD (give or take $2,500 depending)
- Looking for $300 or less collective car payment + insurance payment
- Fun-to-drive is first and foremost
- Cheap
- Fuel-friendly
- Reliable (should be higher?)

...The biggest wildcard, living in Michigan, as always is the snow...

The top two cars (thus far) have been such:

- The Subaru Forester (pre-2003?): Moderately reliable, pretty well-built, but falls short on the fuel economy and fun-to-drive factor. Insurance isn't nearly as cheap as I'd expect either, which is unfortunate. They're pretty easy to find in Michigan, which is a bonus, but I'm unsure of pre-2002 updated models. Getting into that year range gets very expensive.

- The Mazda Miata (NA & NB): For the most part, the Mazda meets every criteria. They're really cheap to buy (I've found nice, low-mileage NA models for less than $7000), really cheap to insure (less than my Jetta), cheap to fuel, cheap to fix, and overall don't require much fixing in the first place. Thing is, we've got this thing called snow, and we occasionally get a lot of it. As much as eight inches in a few hours the other night... That causes problems. BIG PROBLEMS.

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Recent developments:

The $10K cap and the preferred $300 monthly fee, for the most part, is all that I can afford. At most. That would pretty much eliminate any kind of long-distance travel (unless I get a raise at work), and most other "non-important" things as well.

That being said, two new vehicles have recently landed in my lap:

- 2002 Honda Civic Si Hatchback: After seeing one on the highway yesterday, it got me thinking... I really don't "hate" Hondas all that much, I love the hatchback body style, and they certainly aren't that slow either. They seem to be cheap-ish to run, cost the same to insure as my car, and can be had for $9000 or less these days... That is, if you can find one unmolested.

- 1995-1998 BMW E36 328: This is Doug's suggestion, as discussed in private. The price is certainly low, and the insurance rates actually aren't that bad either. Thing is, replacement parts scare the living hell out of me, and they not being of newer generations, I'm even less knowledgeable of the cars themselves. Snow is still an issue with the RWD models, but good tires can fix that. I have no idea what gas would be like either...

- 1999-2001 BMW E46 323: I've already been yelled at for this one, but it seems like a logical step forward. See above for similar reasonings.

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My mood changes from time-to-time, and that is unfortunate. The cars seem to be a bit consistent, and I'm still weighing my options. I just wish the damn snow wasn't this much of a problem....
 
Today there was patchy ice all over the roads even though they were salted. I'm guessing that means it was below 20 degrees. Also, a 20mph wind. And yes, the Miata will be worthless in 3 inches of snow. I nearly got stuck trying to get the Si home yesterday as it was snowing, and there was less than 2 inches down.
You fail at snow. I purposely drive my car into 6 inch deep snow to see if it would get stuck. It didn't.

But yeah, a Miata will be worthless in the snow over 4 inches. But, get a nice set of summer tires and wheels, 15x7 +30, and get a set of nice snow tires on the stockers for the winter. Miatas in a snowy parking lot are made of win.
 
I figured a set of blizzacks would be fine, but after the two big storms, I've got no idea how well it would do. Even our big "Yank Tank" (1999 Pontiac Grand Prix) was having issues the other day during our big storm... Thats with the big 3800 hanging off the front end, new Goodyears, and traction control...
 
Heres the crippler: The nearest MINI dealer is nearly three hours away, and the local BMW dealer "won't service MINI Coopers, we aren't certified to do so..."

I'd love to have one, but that is a major deal-breaker...
 
I’ve got a fix for your Miata conundrum – move to a state with proper weather. :p

I’m confused about one thing (since I’ve never really experienced your sort of weather) – how is driving a Miata with snow tires any different than driving a BMW sedan with snow tires? Shouldn’t they be sort of equally good/bad in the snow?
 
I'd personally assume that the greater amount of weight, larger wheelbase and width, along with the greater ride height... Not to mention traction control on normal models... Would greatly increase the overall driveability of the cars in winter.

Then again, I may have a complete lack of understanding when it comes to a comparative situation such as that!
 
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Just to name a few in your area. Some may meet all of the requirements, and some may meet SOME of the requirements. All are ones I'd buy with my own money.
 
YSSMAN
2002 Honda Civic Si Hatchback: ...can be had for $9000 or less these days... That is, if you can find one unmolested.
Eh...go ahead. It seems to me that the majority of "Honda guys" have a deep dislike for the EP. We just don't like them. I never even bothered looking for their prices, but I guess I'll believe the $9000 thing if you say so. But then, there must be something about the previous gen (EK) Si, because it's hard to find them for under $9000.

If you're even going to consider this whole "newer is better and shinier, and shinier gets more chicks" and Civics at the same time, it's not going to fly. I actually feel insulted when people tell me I have the "last good Civic", as Fred did, because it's pitiful that the new models just...aren't. So really, if you're going to buy a Focus, buy an SVT, not an Si.
 
I'm really not a "Honda Guy," so I guess it wouldn't matter all that much to me. Personally speaking, I do prefer the EK Civic myself, but that being said, I did like the way the EP Si looked too... I've seen some really nice ones with Type-R conversions, but alas, that would presumably be the exact opposite that I'd do to it.

I'd pretty much be looking at the EP because its newer, with fewer miles, has the more modern crap packaged in (I hear over 35 MPG can be had in the city), and seems to be available for a reasonable price. Very true that the SVT Focus is right around that same range, and if the Civic Si is that "cheap" to insure, I can't imagine the SVT being that much either.

Gah. I wish I had money now, I can't wait until April or May to know whether or not I can do this completely.

Doug and I found a wonderful E39 BMW 540i last night, just south of here in Indianapolis for $10K. Gunmetal gray, stick, wood grain interior, navigation, rear parking sensors... It was a nice one. Odd too that it costs the same to insure (okay, $10 more a month) than my Jetta...
 
Heres the crippler: The nearest MINI dealer is nearly three hours away, and the local BMW dealer "won't service MINI Coopers, we aren't certified to do so..."

I'd love to have one, but that is a major deal-breaker...

Your BMW dealer fails then, but a family friend of ours who owns a dealership in the Grand Rapids area has told us that he is planning on a Mini dealer over there.

It's this guy:
http://www.thesharpecollection.com/

I don't understand why they won't service Mini's though, the oil, filters, etc. are all BMW certified parts. I don't know how far the Sharpe dealership is from your house (I can't imagine to far), but it would be worth calling them.
 
Oh yeah, I'm at Sharpe every once in a while. Its a 10 minute drive from my house. These are the same guys who said they were getting a MINI dealer all the way back IN 2000, promising to have one by 2002. They're usually nice to talk to, but man, they haven't done a good job of getting around to grabbing the MINI license.

Personally speaking, I'm still scratching my head as to why MINI hasn't dumped one into the lap of really any of the dealer networks around here. We've arguably got more money than most of the Detroit area here on the West side of the State, and it isn't as though the lakeshore folks wouldn't make the 20-30 minute drive to Grand Rapids to buy a car...

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Meh, maybe they've changed the rules, I don't know. The last time I had asked around about the MINI I was told I had to go to Chicago or Detroit to get it serviced, or go to the "unlicensed" import dealer that my boss's father-in-law owns to do anything else. He actually gets a lot of business that way, apparently hes the one who services most of the local Ferrari and Lamborghini models as well...
 
<SNIP>I found a wonderful E39 BMW 540i last night, just south of here in Indianapolis for $10K. Gunmetal gray, stick, wood grain interior, navigation, rear parking sensors... <SNIP>

If you're worried what parts prices on a Bimmer will run you, I'd stick with the E36 or E46. The V8 E39s aren't exactly cheap to run. Check into what a clutch kit runs for an 540i and compare it against a 328i and you'll see what I mean.


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YSS, do you like any of those vehicles in the links even remotely? There were some good ones in there. :p
 
You say that you like Preluedes a lot, so why not consider one? You could easily find a low mileage 5th gen (97-01) that fits the price range that you are interested in.
 
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