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I will be there tonight too. Missed last week because I was sick. Also will miss the next two Mondays, or at least the 23th, because I'll going on holyday for my birthday.

On another thought - E3 went by and there was not a word from PD. No new GT for the PS4 and no new content for GT6. I was thinking of getting a PS4 when GT7 is announced, but it seems it is far into the future. There is Project CARS coming in November though and since my PC will not cut it, I'm thinking of getting it for the PS4 (and the console). Really hope that Logitech will announce support for the DFGT for PS4. There is a new official PS4/3 wheel from Trustmaster. It looks great and a good upgrade for DFGT users.

So what are your thoughts guys? Do you have a PS4? Are getting one? Are any of you interested in pCARS or are you waiting for GT7?
 
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I will be there tonight too. Missed last week because I was sick. Also will miss the next two Mondays, or at least the 23th, because I'll going on holyday for my birthday.

On another thought - E3 went by and there was not a word from PD. No new GT for the PS4 and no new content for GT6. I was thinking of getting a PS4 when GT7 is announced, but it seems it is far into the future. There is Project CARS coming in November though and since my PC will not cut it, I'm thinking of getting it for the PS4 (and the console). Really hope that Logitech will announce support for the DFGT for PS4. There is a new official PS4/3 wheel from Trustmaster. It looks great and a good upgrade for DFGT users.

So what are your thoughts guys? Do you have a PS4? Are getting one? Are any of you interested in pCARS or are you waiting for GT7?
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I bought a PS4 2 weeks ago, also bought a years subscription but ive not entered the code yet, im waiting for fifa in Sept and call off duty before i go online, ive just sold GTA 5 today on ebay and will be getting that for the ps4, i only bought it as it was £332 at amazon.

Project cars is something to look forward to if they get it right, im not bothered about driveclub as by all accounts the tracks are rally type tracks and you can only have 6 people in your club, im prepared to wait for gran turismo 7 as i bought the ps4 for the long haul,luckily i love fifa and call of duty as much as gran turismo :) the ps3 is still my main console, and gran turismo 6 is still my main game.
 
Wow, what a great races tonight!

The race at Autumn Ring in rain was crazy! Even at 0% of wetness, the car was sliding and was really understerring! That's good, did they patched the rain? ;)

"Did You weave a Yellow Flag? I didn't notice that, I thought you were just sliding because of rain" - this was hilarious, I laughed hard! :D Just imagine that :D

A battle for the lead in a Trial Mountain was perfect and very close! This track feels pretty tight, but it doesn't look like that, pretty hard for overtaking. @KingKlingeling and @LongbowX, thanks for a great race, and congratulations for @LongbowX for a victory! :cheers:

@DrAug had spun off in the beginning of the race, felt to 7th and recovered to 3rd. That was INSANE, you were really, really fast! Your hotlap was also insane. Bravo! 👍
 
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Note the 12 points victory for @kHamcio in race 2. I gave this penalty because of the corner cutting in the very last chicane, going uphill, as it was a place where, a few times, you had all 4 wheels off the track. But the rest of the times, the 2 wheels off the track were acceptable, hence the small penalty.
And because in the end both you and Longbow end up with 38 points! :D

Otherwise, the other penalty of the night was for me in race 1, as I nudged John off the track in lap 1 without waiting (for a reason unknown to myself, actually!! :grumpy:). So I'm going all the way down to last...
kHamcio, sorry for the little nudge in race 2, I only hit you once, I believe before you went off a bit too much, but I must have unsettled you, which is why I let you past me in the straight at the bottom (sorry also for putting myself in the way on the right hand side!!). If I hit someone else and didn't do anything about it, I apologise. But please let me know. It wasn't a great day of driving for me...

It was nice to see up to 10 people, thanks again for taking part!!

And to finish, I confirm that if France plays on a Monday evening (it can happen on the 30th if they finish 1st in their group, I believe), I won't. Because I'd rather not try to record on the Play TV while playing online and ruin everybody's evening. @watermelonpunch if you want to host the ZC and use the tracks and cars, let me know and I'll send you my magic spreadsheet which does everything...
 
France will finish first in the group with the mighty Benzema, i think France will actually win this world cup, they looked class...only the Germans can stop then, Brazil are over hyped, Argentina are awful in defence, i wont mention England.

Anyway....great racing tonight, even though i finished last :crazy: it was probobly one of the best nights racing i enjoyed, Watermelon..you did nothing wrong on lap 7, i think you crashed and i hit your crashed car, it definetlly wasnt your fault.....I actually led for 1 lap of the last race.....then finished last :D
 
It was some great racing today, extremely close. I already didn't think I had a chance at Autumn Ring, but it was especially tough when it would suddenly lose grip in the wet patches. I had more problems with oversteer than understeer, hah. Exciting though!

@WarriusZero Anyway, I wanted to ask about this:
WarriusZero
But the rest of the times, the 2 wheels off the track were acceptable, hence the small penalty.
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To me, in seems in contradiction with the rule book that says

Rule Book
More than 2 wheels off the track is off-track
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And then under "track boundaries" says:

Rule Book
all drivers should keep at least 2 wheels on the track and should always keep off the grass, gravel or sand
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To me, that means that any use of off the track (like at Eiger), any touching of the dirt/gravel at the inside is not allowed. Because you should "always" keep off of them. The "2 wheels on the track" part is just for kerbs (which are not part of the track).

I'm just seeking clarification on this, as it would affect how I race! I don't want any additional penalties or something obviously. :lol: Just for future reference.
 
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yeah , great races and the first hour in my new rig and with the new pedal:D just need a few more to get to my old pace :sly:
The car was awesome ,I didn't thought that , but only in dry conditions , I hope nobody watch my rain performance in the replay :lol:
about the Worldcup :odd:
i don't want to brag , but germany did "pretty" well against cr7 and his drones :D
but the holland game was also great , especially robben who said before the match :
no,no we don't want a revenge for that lost final ;)


see you all next week:gtpflag:
 
Great close racing, with MrWhite and Watermelon:D One of the best races ever, the last 2:tup:

Race 1 a complete nightmare, horrible, understeer, oversteer:yuck: I need to practice more in the rain, I'm rubbish, car was just totally different:irked:

Thanks for the penalty WarriusZero:tup:
 
LongbowX
It was some great racing today, extremely close. I already didn't think I had a chance at Autumn Ring, but it was especially tough when it would suddenly lose grip in the wet patches. I had more problems with oversteer than understeer, hah. Exciting though!

@WarriusZero Anyway, I wanted to ask about this:


To me, in seems in contradiction with the rule book that says



And then under "track boundaries" says:



To me, that means that any use of off the track (like at Eiger), any touching of the dirt/gravel at the inside is not allowed. Because you should "always" keep off of them. The "2 wheels on the track" part is just for kerbs (which are not part of the track).

I'm just seeking clarification on this, as it would affect how I race! I don't want any additional penalties or something obviously. :lol: Just for future reference.
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Good point, LongbowX, very good point.

I think as long as you keep 2 wheels on the track, i.e. on the correct side of the white lines (forget about Trial Mountain's exception), it is acceptable.

I've been spending more than an hour trying to figure out why I wrote "should always keep off the grass, gravel or sand" and how to fix it (this post keeps on evolving all the time). I think I had in mind a corner with, going from the inside to the outside, the white line, the kerb and the grass (and the wall...).

How much of the car is off track depends on the type of surface that is on the other side of the white lines. If it's tarmac or a kerb, then I'm happy for you to have just the 2 wheels on the track and most of the rest of the car off track. If it's grass or sand or dirt, then try to keep a bit more of the car on the correct side of the white lines. It's about keeping a balance about how much of the car is off track, what the surface is and how often you do it. I know, it's blurry... But in the end, if you have 2 wheels on the correct side of the white line, I can't really fault you.

Also Eiger is a narrow track, so I'll tend to be more lenient there.


To summarise, in the Rule book, the sentence:

As described in the Rules of Conduct, all drivers should keep at least 2 wheels on the track and should always keep off the grass, gravel or sand.
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...becomes:

As described in the Rules of Conduct, all drivers must keep at least 2 wheels on the track.
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Is this helpful?
 
Also, and separately, another word about the Gentleman's Yellow Flag (note the highlighted bits):

The Rule book says:



If the race leader believes the race would benefit from it, he is allowed to regroup the field by enforcing a yellow flag situation, and thus allowing for some closer racing. There are restrictions to the use of the Gentleman's Yellow Flag:
- it can only be used once per race
- it cannot be used in the first 2 laps or the last 2 laps of the race
- only the driver in the lead can call a yellow flag
- yellow flags are NOT compulsory and no comments should be made if no yellow flag has been waved
- you can only call a yellow flag when you're in a comfortable position to do so. You definitely cannot use it to save you from a difficult situation, for example if 2 or more drivers are fighting closely for the lead
- other drivers cannot request a yellow flag (they may sometimes discreetly suggest one. For example, if the leader is closely followed, the driver in 2nd place could weave from left to right to let him know that he would not oppose a yellow flag. The final decision remains the leader's choice)

Yellow Flag procedure:
- to signal a yellow flag, the leader of the race will significantly slow down, weaving from left to right as if warming cold tires and, if available, by announcing it via headset
- overtaking is prohibited while the yellow flag is being waved. If an overtake took place after the beginning of the yellow flag but before the involved driver(s) noticed it, common sense should prevail to determine who gets to be in front
- To save time, a lapped driver will not be given a chance to 'unlap' himself, but does not need to drop to the back either
- when ALL the drivers have had a chance to rejoin the pack, the leader will slowly increase his pace again, going back to racing speed by the end of the lap
- no driver is allowed to overtake until he crosses the finish line



So if it isn't clear enough, if the leader decides to use the GYF, he should then wait for everyone to catch up, stopping his car completely if necessary so we don't waste time. Once EVERYONE has rejoined, then we can restart slowly and go full speed when the next lap starts.


Still not sure what happened in race 1, anyway... :)
 
@WarriusZero

It's a bit helpful...but as you say, it's still a bit blurry (especially with the idea that it's okay to be more off when there's tarmac/kerb and less when there is grass... which is not in the rulebook and more a guideline). I personally actually liked the idea of avoiding the grass/gravel, etc all the time. Plus I think it makes it straightforward.

The other option that I like is two wheels on the tarmac at all times (without any consideration of surfaces on the inside/outside of corners). I think those are more transparent and clear for people to follow (and easier to enforce). That is only my opinion of course, I just want people to be clear on the rules. :lol:
 
I agree.

What I was doing is explaining what I had in mind (with all the grey area) and in the end what the black and white resulting rule was, which is the simpler and straight forward "keep at least 2 wheels on track".
 
The only thing about the GYF, is that when people are at the back. Which haven't been lapped, if they are quite a bit back. Takes time for them to get to the leading group. Not a problem on a small track, like Eiger, but some where longer.
 
just for my understanding :

- I call a yf by weaving ? check !

- slow down to regroup the grid , stop if necessary ? check !

-overtaking is prohibited until I open the race at the finish line , hearing the beep from the lap time counter ? check !

I think I got it :sly:
 
Well done @KingKlingeling .
And yes, @John Wells , the point is for everyone to get a chance to catch up. Hence the reminder.

Edit: added the following to the GYF procedure:

- if the last driver is quite far behind, the leader will stop completely to make sure that as little time as possible is spent regrouping the field
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Hey everyone was fishtailing how could I know? :dopey::p:dopey::O:rolleyes:

Can we have more than one alert in the text chat because it disappears and if you miss it it's gone?
Like at least to pop up the text chat again.

Bear in mind one cannot text and drive with a ds3.

And fantastic race at trial mtn... Always fun there it seems..
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The way the procedure is done, we shouldn't even need to post any message.
It should be clear enough, when you suddenly catch up with all the cars in front of you, that a GYF is happening.
Then everyone should also be expecting the race to restart when the next lap starts.

It's actually when you press Start to post a message that things get confusing, as unless you've stopped completely and put the handbrake on, the car will drive itself in a straight line, perhaps also overtaking cars if you're not the leader.


Also a note for anyone who finds him(her)self drifting away at the back, never give up, because a GYF may happen and put you back in contention and so you don't make the others wait even more...
 
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I feel like I am missing lots of fun not having been to these races.

Would like to join if I can and if you will have me. Lotsa familiar faces should know I try to be clean best I can :)

Edit: nm, found info in the first post:tup:
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Have you read all there was to read?
 
Cables are currently still a must, I'm afraid.
We've tried allowing WiFi set ups and it was not working (lag, flying cars...).

This is necessary for the enjoyment of all.
 

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