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Chris Harris probably would disagree..
Chris Harris probably would disagree..
Chris Harris probably would disagree..
They're comparing apples to oranges, is it really that hard to see?
Actually, the Trophy version includes the Cup chassis.Then, why didn't they make it good journalism by using a car that has similar performance figures instead of similar price? I mean, only option missing from that Megane was Cup chassis, otherwise it's fully built for track work..
Scion has softer springs up front. So, which car is "softer" needs to be quantified by part and speed of the corner.It also has softer springs at the back, and as you say - less aggressive damping. Subaru itself has said the car isn't set up as aggressively as the Toyota - i.e. it's a softer setup. Early tests seem to suggest the 86 is happier to go sideways than the Subaru.
The words they usually use is "set-up for stability".
EVO article might be informative for people in the UK, where what they tested costs the same. It's just says that FRS/BRZ is overpriced there. Still, testing an automatic seems like an unprofessional move by EVO.
Nope, does not imply that to me. Depends on the corner.And what does that imply to you?... To me it implies a car not set up to rotate as easily.
Sooo, they should've tested it against Atom or '13 Boxster, and would've still remained relevant?Ignore price for a second. It's irrelevant. The article was about fun.
And there's nothing "unprofessional" about it if they had no control over it. It would have been considerably more "unprofessional" - as journalists - to accept the handful of hours they would have got with the car in the south of France and based a verdict on that, rather than borrowing it for considerably longer and testing it more thoroughly.
Price is never irrelevant.
Like I said, I need a roof, so MX5 is out. 370z is way more dough. So again, zero relevant info in that article. Someone who's in the market in the UK might disagree.
Why would Ford bother before it is clear that these could make a significant dent in Mustang sales?But value for money is something that is more black and white, and in that sense, those two don't hold up as well. Unfortunately, I have yet to see a publication challenge Toyota and Subaru on that subject.
Hell, I'm surprised that Ford hasn't said something about it...
Nope, does not imply that to me. Depends on the corner.
It's just says that FRS/BRZ is overpriced there.
Price is never irrelevant.
Like I said, I need a roof, so MX5 is out.
Since when has one single journalist's opinion been any better than any other journalist?
And that's why the video I posted means so much when they put it up against the '13 Mustang V6 Track Pack. The Ford is cheaper, more powerful, and faster around the Streets of Willow... But it just isn't as much fun to drive as the BRZ.
Nope, does not imply that to me. Depends on the corner.
Sooo, they should've tested it against Atom or '13 Boxster, and would've still remained relevant?
Like I said, I need a roof, so MX5 is out. 370z is way more dough. So again, zero relevant info in that article. Someone who's in the market in the UK might disagree.
So, like I said: sad and unprofessional of EVO.
And there's nothing "unprofessional" about it if they had no control over it. It would have been considerably more "unprofessional" - as journalists - to accept the handful of hours they would have got with the car in the south of France and based a verdict on that, rather than borrowing it for considerably longer and testing it more thoroughly.
"Fun" is of course, objective.
Was the driver trying to upset the car on purpose in that video? It might've been me, but I barely saw him clipping any apex's at all through all the high speed corners. I just can't take the man's opinion all too seriously when he drives the car for one single lap, throws it all over the place in a way too aggressive manner and then concluding he doesn't like it.
You Europeans and your flappy paddles. You never cease to amaze me.
How much drifting can one expect to do with only 200hp, though?
Doubt it. Insulation would show up as extra weight, which there isn't any sign of. It's just the mic, or possibly different 'noise tube' tuning.The Subaru is a lot quieter inside than the Toyota/Scion, probably as part of its more mature and more pricey image.
It's not so much drifting as just having a car that's happy to go sideways without much effort. It seems the Subaru (though not necessarily the Toyota) isn't as happy to do that, though again the auto 'box may be a factor.
It's a car that's supposed to teach people the basics of car control, but if you have to really be moving some to get it to go sideways then you introduce a whole lot more risk into the equation. For a lot of people, this'll be their first RWD car.
EVO's full review seemed to suggest that the MX5 is happier going sideways (with less power).
I'm reserving judgement until I've seen them do a full review of the Toyota with a manual gearbox, but I'm not about to start accusing them of "bias" or whatever just because they've been disappointed by a car that everyone else is swooning over. They do tend to know what they're talking about...