A Dodge Viper on the Grand Canyon?

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oscarfulz thanks for the link. Nice video's there. Anyone know the title of that song playing in the Viper replay?
 
Originally posted by Hyperglide
That's pretty stupid considering the majority of Rally cars are FWD....

I'd like to see proof of this Viper rallying.
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Are those shots supposed to be from Prologue because the muscle car is not selectable and neither is the 350Z race car from that car selection screenshot, but you can race against it. Hmmmm....
 
Because you can, and at some point during the games life, you know you will.
 
Originally posted by live4speed
Because you can, and at some point during the games life, you know you will.
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Probaby not...I hate to even have to drive the damn viper on asphalt in the game with TC and ASm on. The car is a damn mess and I prefer other FR race cars (The Opel Astra to be more specific) over the viper. That being said the Viper race car is proably the only american car in the game I will drive.....

Now i can think of many other FR or Rear wheel drive cars I'd love to rally, but not that viper...
 
Originally posted by cerbman1
"Playstation 2 Official Magazine - UK"
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Cool, thanks. This is odd. Here in the U.S. the official magazine is OPM, Official Playstation Magazine, and all it had this month was a tiny article with few pictures. I just got it yesterday.

The next issue of PSM is promised to have something "hands on" of GT4. I should get it any day now. Your mag looks a lot like PSM.
 
You know, I'll share personal experience of GT2.

As the inexperienced or gutty racer would know, rear-drive cars are easy to spin out with either subpar driving skills, or little or no traction control. I think if you take this to the track, that's fine. But take a rear-drive car rallying, and you'll see that it is harder to work with. Personally, I raced the Lancia Stratos rally car in GT2. And when I wanted to slide the car out, it was okay. But when I wanted to slide HARD for tight turns, it was an all-too-familiar GT concept- sliding way out of control in tight turns. So while it may be cool to imagine that, in my view, the Viper is made to be a head-turner on the street and a dominator on the track. But a rally racer? Hell no. You need control off road. That is why four-wheel drive is almost always included in rally race cars. Four-wheel drive offers exceptional control off road. And if you raced the 3000GT or Skyline, they are almost impossible to spin out on road courses. Their only downfall? The 4WD adds extra weight to the car, but when you're off-road, do you really care? You need all the control and handling you can get off-road.

But again, ANY rear-drive car has no place in rally today. I mean, you can try, but 4WD is like a hot fashion trend, only this is a necessity. Of course when I mention fashion trends, I don't mean like girls in low-rise jeans and retro oxford sneakers (that I thought were bowling shoes at first).
 
The old rwd Lancia 037 actually beat the Audi Quattro and took the Group B WRC title that year, but then that was in 1983, 4wd has come along way since then, but rwd cars can be rallied succesfully and there still a coulpe of rallies out there where rwd cars stil compete, it's just that against todays 4wd machines they arn't as fast.
 
1983... the year I was born. Instead of hearing about the race, I was learning how to walk (then some months or years later, I broke the bars off of my baby crib and walk out like a Death Row inmate).

I think for a rally car, you're probably better able to make the car drift, and that's why that Trueno off of "Initial D" could drift out. It is a weird example I brought up, but I just wanted a rear-drive car to prove an example. Anyhow, RWD on anything but asphalt almost always leads to a spin. Maybe the rear drive helps to slide the car out, but it will take a driver with skill to steer it correctly if in the event of a loss of control.

I am no genius (ha!), but I think 4WD and FWD are the standard nowadays because you need control and traction in rallying conditions. FWD provides traction and is usually the most popular drivetrain in touring car. Now, I like to think of 4WD as a combination of rear-wheel drive drifting and front-wheel drive traction. As a drifting example, I can remember speedfreaking my Stage 4 Turbo Mitsu GTO around the place. I had a monster, and this monster could rally around like crazy. I even made Special Stage Route 11 look like a rally course than a street course. Of course, I tend to think that Trial Mountain SHOULD have been a rally course, but that's not the point.

Well, if you see a Dodge Viper rallying, be sure to kick yourself to make sure you're not dreaming.
 
So anyhow, Dodge Viper in rally. Not possible. Why?

too powerful
too heavy
too fragile to race with

And for God's sake, the car is in the $75,000-$100,000 range! Why take an expensive car and risk crashing? And even worse, in RALLY? Sure, it's just a game, but realistically speaking, keep the Viper to the strip and the road course.
 
As far as i can remember in GT2 & 3, you could take any car rallying as long as you bought dirt tyres for it.
 
Well I think it was most cars you could buy dirt tyres for in GT2/3, but not all.

I think PD think more along the lines of 'If you can stick Dirt Tyres on it, give the gamers a chance to rally it & see what its like (Aslong as the manufacturers don't mind)' rather than 'pfff that'd be a crap rally car, lets not give the gamers any freedom whatsoever'.

Personally I think its great to experiment with 'Non-Rally cars' to see how they'd do against the 'usual favourites'. Besides as 8400RPM & others said/implied, its simply for fun. :D
 
Originally posted by JohnBM01
So anyhow, Dodge Viper in rally. Not possible. Why?

too powerful
too heavy
too fragile to race with

And for God's sake, the car is in the $75,000-$100,000 range! Why take an expensive car and risk crashing? And even worse, in RALLY? Sure, it's just a game, but realistically speaking, keep the Viper to the strip and the road course.
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No, no and no, many raly cars have had power in exess of 450-500Bhp, GT allows you to convert road cars into race cars so a modded Viper is not as heavy, I'd love to know what makes you think the Viper is too fragile to rally? A Ford Focus RS WRC costs £350,000, makes the £60,000 Viper seem cheap, in real life ANY car can be modded to rally, why not do that in GT, Porsche rallied the 959 and older 911's, Ferrari rallied the Dino and a couple of others ect, supercars have been rallied.
 
Someone mentioned dirt tires for any car. In GT3, I even raced the Gillet Vertigo race car with dirt tires. I think I did alright tearing up Tahiti (not the maze).
 
Originally posted by JohnBM01
I think 4WD and FWD are the standard nowadays because you need control and traction in rallying conditions. FWD provides traction and is usually the most popular drivetrain in touring car.
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Front wheel drive is favoured because it saves space (no trans tunnel down the car). Since touring cars are based on standard saloons, they inherit the basic chassis structure and hence the drivetrain layout...
Front wheel drive has less traction than rear under acceleration (which is what drive is all about, yes?) because there is less weight on the front wheels, its just more difficult (near impossible) to spin it under power = safer for the average muppet driver on real roads
Fwd also saves weight marginally... most new rally cars are indeed Fwd, its just the elite WRC beasts that are 4wd, most cups/champs feature 'lowly' 1600cc NA 200 brake-horsey anorexic "hot-hatch" derivatives (eg renault clio et al)
Most rally cars were Rwd, the old opels and fords and such are great fun to watch, bloody scary to drive (cos most of em are worth a bit now) yet fun at the same time

4wd is for pansies anyway... Rwd live axle primitive diff and sod all weight is the way to go, that's a pure experience you actually have to control the car as well as drive the course; no point and squirt here, ladies...
 
:D Hope Y'all don't mind me stickin' my nose in here! IMO: WRC Drivers of any era are among the Very Best Drivers in the World, PERIOD! What they do in an automobile is truely Amazing.:eek: I must admit however that I'm partial to watching the RWD Cars in action. Their lack of grip seemed to make them a bit more "Spectacular" to view. It seems to me there was a lot more "pitching it sideways" before a sharp turn when RWD was the norm. Love to see old shots of two of my favorites the Lancia 037 & Stratos in action.
I've been a true Fan of the Lancia Stratos even before I got to drive a REAL one (One of 5 or 6 in the USA @ that time) many years ago. I'll be hosting a Stratos "Dirt Challenge" soon so those of you willing & able to test your Off Road Skills w/a MR configuration might want to stay in touch.
Check this thread: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/t1-37931.html for a "Warm-Up Race" being run by Mr P right now! We're having a "Ball" dealing w/No 4WD in a Clio @ Tahiti Maze & I for one have learned a lot. Hopefully I'll be able to transfer the knowledge to my trusty Stratos...UB57
:D
 
Originally posted by UB57
IMO: WRC Drivers of any era are among the Very Best Drivers in the World, PERIOD! What they do in an automobile is truely Amazing.:eek:
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I would have to agree with that statement,
I hope I didn't come across as poo-pooing the WRC drivers btw...
 
I bet it wont be that bad in gt4 driving the viper on off road courses. It will be a challenge getting it around the track but itll be enjoyable trying to swing a a v10 monster around a corner.
 
Just a footnote to the Lancia 037 winning the WRC title in 1983 - they had a lot of help from the Audi Quattros, which suffered every imaginable mechanical failure while leading, and let Lancia right back into the title hunt.
 
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That's odd that you can rally with a Viper. I remember in GT2, you could rally with the GT40, and that is mid-engine, rear-wheel drive.
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GT40s were used in rallying in the late 60's - mostly tarmac rallys. They usually clear-up in the 'classic' road rallys that they hold all over the world.
 
The most funny looking car I have seen at the grand canyon (and have driven) is the Ford GT. That thing is sooo hard to handle. I was shocked it was allowed out there. Well at least in GT4P it was. I even had several screenshots of jumping the Ford GT at Grand Canyon.
 

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