isn't it amazing?

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Have a look at this picture of the New York City Circuit, isn't it amazing how good it looks? Could this be the maximum of what the PS2 can deliver?

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Interesting that the track ends with a "God Bless You"... :)

I can't tell what the Italian right before the onroad flag says, though. The last word translates to "fun", if I'm correct, but I can't make out anything else... the picture is too small. Is there a higher resolution render?
 
Originally posted by Dirkiyo
Another example from DayBoy2K1's site !!!GTadvance
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Hold on I just went on his site, and the latest bit of news he has a list of cars which are going to be included in the game. One of the cars in the list is and i quote
BMW McLaren F1 GTR Fina (1997)
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If he's got that the McLaren will be in GT4 from a reliable resource I am going o give him a big kiss!!!!:eek:
 
Originally posted by wee_man

If he's got that the McLaren will be in GT4 from a reliable resource I am going o give him a big kiss!!!!:eek:
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The McLaren is confirmed, but it could be removed before the game's release, just like the Nomad Diablo from GT3.
 
Originally posted by Dirkiyo
Could this be the maximum of what the PS2 can deliver?
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they probably just barely hit the limit through their physics engine. the graphics were made better by better textures and reduced polygons.

the ps2 is theoretically capable of handling xbox equivilant gfx due to the sheer processing power in it. people complain that it's a 300mhz chip, but they don't realize that it's a 128 bit architecture. 64 bit architecture for pc, if the software is designed for it, will allow 64 bit proccessors to operate twice as fast as 32 bit counterparts. 128 bit is double 64 bit. the issue with ps2 is that nobody has learned all of it's perks. for example, the processor can be used for calculations or to act as additional power to the gpu. this allows ps2 to handle x-box gfx at the expense of calculations. It seems here that PD has found the perfect balance of gfx quality with minimal stressby reducing polygons and increasing texture details. what do u think?
in depth console comparison...
http://www.cybercrash.be/xboxvsps2h.html

all i can say is i wish i could do 3d animation this well...i'm still working on a p-51 Mustang D in 3d studio. that started a year ago (yea yea, i'm lazy...very lazy)
 
because gran turismo always has a variation of old cars an new cars... heh, they do have the new NSX-R or whatever its called (2003)
 
emad, that link you postes is PURE twodle! I'm sure your a little ps2 fanboy, I'm sure you think the ps2 can outperform EVERYTHING ever. Well, sorry but it can't. The ps2, technically seems to be pretty sad and weak. Now don't get me wrong, I like the games on the ps2, but the xbox and gamecube both, in terms of graphically and audio power utterly decimate it. The link says

"But Sony's research team has developed a 'Performance Analyzer' that shows that Gran Turismo 3 doesn't even use 25% of the PS2's power"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA /me dies laughing

YOU RETARD, and if thats the case why doesn't gt4 looks 75% better? :P

"If we compare top-quality XBox games like Halo and Dead or Alive 3 with top-quality PS2 games like Metal Gear Solid 2 and Final Fantasy X, we see that the graphical quality is slightly better on the PS2. "

Ok, compare burnout 2 on the ps2 and xbox...

Correct me if im wrong but isnt mgs2 on the xbox anyway?

I'm not console fanboy, but I feel the need to step in and say something to stop this daftness!! Oh one more thing ;)

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox/driving/projectgothamracing2/screens.html?page=85

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox/driving/projectgothamracing2/screens.html?page=81

yes yes...ps2 games look better. Oh and I do think GT4 will be a better game overall, but it's never gonna look that sexy!
 
PS2 was the first one out, it's the weakest consol of the major 3 from a technical point, the X-box is the strongest by quite a margin but the PS2 has it's user fan base which is much larger than Nintendo and Microsofts so alot of the games industry is biased towards the PS2, theres no way that GT4 will look as smooth as PGR2 on X-Box, but I have no doubt that GT4 wil be a much much better game.
 
I wouldn't say MUCH MUCH better, the first pgr is superb, even better then gt3 in my op (lets be honest, gt3 wasn't as good as it should have been). It was more fun, while gt3 just got boring doing 200 lap races :P. Least on PGR you could show off heheh and get rewarded for it...hmmm thats what I'd like, gt4 cars, pgr2 graphics, and a kudos system! YES!!!
 
I prefer seriouse racing like in GT, not drifting to score points, don't get me wrong, I think PGR is a good game and I'm sure PGR2 will be better but I prefer the GT games.
 
I prefer gt4's graphics, I like realism, I hate how CG pgr2 looks, nothing compared to gt4.
 
Originally posted by live4speed
PS2 was the first one out, it's the weakest consol of the major 3 from a technical point, the X-box is the strongest by quite a margin but the PS2 has it's user fan base which is much larger than Nintendo and Microsofts so alot of the games industry is biased towards the PS2, theres no way that GT4 will look as smooth as PGR2 on X-Box, but I have no doubt that GT4 wil be a much much better game.
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Who care about how smooth it will look, gt4 over all looks way more realistic. And if you check out the scea boards and say the ps2 is the weakest you're get the truth thrown in your face, tru that xb is the strongest but it's not all that stonger than the ps2. The ps2 is better at real life games, show me a xb game that has complex graphics(graphics that copy life) and runs at a solid 60fps. Not even halo2 which indeed uses the xb's power runs at 60fps. But if you want to technical truth of each console and their pros, go here sign up and look for a guy named Zelgadis, he knows alot about hardware and according to him, the xb isn't all that powerful compared to the ps2.
 
Please not another lame x-fan/PS2-hate discussion here..

Only some points:

Those PGR2 images are touched up or doctored, look at some real in-game caps or vids and see the poor car lighting, downgraded IQ, and the overall fake/PC-ish look..

Technically sexy, but fake and dull visually.

btw yes PGR2 possible one of the best driving and graphics game for other system, but this is not the place.


"YOU RETARD, and if thats the case why doesn't gt4 looks 75% better? :P"

You don't understand.. not 75% better(same system resources) but now much better optimization it's possible: more complex AI + better physics + more resolution textures + more objects in the background + more complex cities/circuits + animated crowds and pit lane + more/better effects, etc..

All of this it's a fact and come to GT4.


"I'm not console fanboy"

Umm.. sure?
 
Originally posted by code_kev
emad, that link you postes is PURE twodle! I'm sure your a little ps2 fanboy, I'm sure you think the ps2 can outperform EVERYTHING ever. Well, sorry but it can't. The ps2, technically seems to be pretty sad and weak. Now don't get me wrong, I like the games on the ps2, but the xbox and gamecube both, in terms of graphically and audio power utterly decimate it. The link says

"But Sony's research team has developed a 'Performance Analyzer' that shows that Gran Turismo 3 doesn't even use 25% of the PS2's power"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA /me dies laughing

YOU RETARD, and if thats the case why doesn't gt4 looks 75% better? :P

"If we compare top-quality XBox games like Halo and Dead or Alive 3 with top-quality PS2 games like Metal Gear Solid 2 and Final Fantasy X, we see that the graphical quality is slightly better on the PS2. "

Ok, compare burnout 2 on the ps2 and xbox...

Correct me if im wrong but isnt mgs2 on the xbox anyway?

I'm not console fanboy, but I feel the need to step in and say something to stop this daftness!! Oh one more thing ;)

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox/driving/projectgothamracing2/screens.html?page=85

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox/driving/projectgothamracing2/screens.html?page=81

yes yes...ps2 games look better. Oh and I do think GT4 will be a better game overall, but it's never gonna look that sexy!
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GT4 still looks better than any game I have seen so far, show me a game on par with gt4's photo realistic graphics, looks like you know nothing about hardware but you spit out stuff you have heard ppl say. There's a reason why ports on the xb look better than the ps2, xb is just like a pc in a box. Most developers are pc programmers and damn good that so they know pc tech. PS2 on the other hand is more complex, a developer has to take their time with the ps2 and you would know that if you knew hardware, I don't know hardware myself but I have read this from alot of hardware nutts. MGS2 on the xb suxs ass, slow downs, fame rate drops to 10, sad. I have played mgs2 on the xb and ps2 version is the better one in graphics and frame rate. Stop listening to what other say and read up on info on each console and you'll see that the ps2 is better than anyone has thought and gt4 will look as good as it wants and it looks better and more realistic than any game I have seen thus far.
 
GT4 will be better than Pgr2...dont argue with me.
 
Can't argue with that, gt4 has the cars, the tracks, the realistic graphics, the new handling system for the cars to make them feel like the real deal. Can't go wrong with gt4.
 
Originally posted by Zer0
Please not another lame x-fan/PS2-hate discussion here..

Only some points:

Those PGR2 images are touched up or doctored, look at some real in-game caps or vids and see the poor car lighting, downgraded IQ, and the overall fake/PC-ish look..

Technically sexy, but fake and dull visually.

btw yes PGR2 possible one of the best driving and graphics game for other system, but this is not the place.


"YOU RETARD, and if thats the case why doesn't gt4 looks 75% better? :P"

You don't understand.. not 75% better(same system resources) but now much better optimization it's possible: more complex AI + better physics + more resolution textures + more objects in the background + more complex cities/circuits + animated crowds and pit lane + more/better effects, etc..

All of this it's a fact and come to GT4.


"I'm not console fanboy"

Umm.. sure?
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I agree with that, so much more is being put in gt4 than gt3.
 
Let's get this straight right now. No racing game in existence is close to as good as even GT3, much less GT4! Make no mistake, the PS2 may be lacking in graphical power, but the GT series is far and away the greatest racing series ever conceived. I have never played a racing game that "feels" quite like GT. IMO, GT2 is a better game than PGR2, even with the sorry PSOne graphics! The eye candy is nice, but it is the actual driving that is important; something every other racing game is inferior to GT at simulating.
 
OMFG you guys are dumb!!!! Lets get quoting!!!

cobragt first!!!

"PS2 on the other hand is more complex, a developer has to take their time with the ps2 and you would know that if you knew hardware"

Hmm didn't the saturn have that problem too :P. What you mean is the PS2 is stupid to code for then, how can that be good?!?!

And cobragt, MR contradiction!!!

"looks like you know nothing about hardware but you spit out stuff you have heard ppl say"

HHAHAHA what are you doing then?

" I don't know hardware myself but I have read this from alot of hardware nutts"

"Stop listening to what other say and read up on info on each console and you'll see that the ps2"

Huh, you just told me to stop listenining to other ppl??!?!

Huh, lets be honest, those "tech reports" and done by people who think the ps2 is so powerfull nasa use it!

"MGS2 on the xb suxs ass, slow downs, fame rate drops to 10, sad"

bad conversion then you muppet

"GT4 still looks better than any game I have seen so far"

buy a pc and shove it all on full aa and max detail :P

"I hate how CG pgr2 looks"

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/t-32441.html "real in game shots"

"Look at the guy in the blue pants, notice his foot sinking into the ground, that's not the work of CG"

Cobra, get some glasses u fricking muppet! HAHAHAHAH /me dies laughing

And GT4 doesn't? FFS cobragt, your so damn stupid it hurts, I love you, post me some good replys so I can have a good laugh at your bad links, your stupid comments, and your manic devotion to the PS2.

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"Those PGR2 images are touched up or doctored, look at some real in-game caps or vids and see the poor car lighting, downgraded IQ, and the overall fake/PC-ish look.."

HAHAH and those GT4 ones arnt!!!! Come on, the ones I posted are real shots, many of these are GT4 shots are blatantly running on a pc with full AA and A filtering! Nothing like Gt4 on a pc eh :P

I'm not biased, im giving alot of you a REALITY check. It's like people pretending the PS2 is better then a PC :P
 
God who cares the differences between the PS2's and Xbox's hardware, this forum is about the discussion of the GT series not someplace where fanboys can come and debate the power of the consoles. GT4 is going to be the best racing game ever conceived, better than anything the Xbox can put out, now I am not saying the Xbox isn't more powerful than the PS2 but the fact is the GT series balances great graphics with outstandingly realistic car handling.

No one really cares how much more powerful the Xbox is over the PS2, as long as GT4 is a great game.
 
Mr code, please remember that you're in a GranTurismo forum, which is a PS2 game of course so even if you're right, (and you're not) people won't give a **** about your opinions, especially when you're insulting them.

You can go play PGR now. Buh Bye... :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by code_kev
OMFG you guys are dumb!!!! Lets get quoting!!!

cobragt first!!!

"PS2 on the other hand is more complex, a developer has to take their time with the ps2 and you would know that if you knew hardware"

Hmm didn't the saturn have that problem too :P. What you mean is the PS2 is stupid to code for then, how can that be good?!?!

And cobragt, MR contradiction!!!

"looks like you know nothing about hardware but you spit out stuff you have heard ppl say"

HHAHAHA what are you doing then?

" I don't know hardware myself but I have read this from alot of hardware nutts"

"Stop listening to what other say and read up on info on each console and you'll see that the ps2"

Huh, you just told me to stop listenining to other ppl??!?!

Huh, lets be honest, those "tech reports" and done by people who think the ps2 is so powerfull nasa use it!

"MGS2 on the xb suxs ass, slow downs, fame rate drops to 10, sad"

bad conversion then you muppet

"GT4 still looks better than any game I have seen so far"

buy a pc and shove it all on full aa and max detail :P

"I hate how CG pgr2 looks"

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/t-32441.html "real in game shots"

"Look at the guy in the blue pants, notice his foot sinking into the ground, that's not the work of CG"

Cobra, get some glasses u fricking muppet! HAHAHAHAH /me dies laughing

And GT4 doesn't? FFS cobragt, your so damn stupid it hurts, I love you, post me some good replys so I can have a good laugh at your bad links, your stupid comments, and your manic devotion to the PS2.

More quotes!

"Those PGR2 images are touched up or doctored, look at some real in-game caps or vids and see the poor car lighting, downgraded IQ, and the overall fake/PC-ish look.."

HAHAH and those GT4 ones arnt!!!! Come on, the ones I posted are real shots, many of these are GT4 shots are blatantly running on a pc with full AA and A filtering! Nothing like Gt4 on a pc eh :P

I'm not biased, im giving alot of you a REALITY check. It's like people pretending the PS2 is better then a PC :P
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No said the ps2 is better than the pc, everyone knows the pc would kill a console in graphics but the ps2 still is more complex then you think. You could say it's the human element console, the ps2 can handle alot of realistic things like lighting, play silenthill3 and you see the lighting kills splintercell on ant system and splintercell is made a by Ubi soft and they are pc programmers, they know nothing about the ps2's power. This really isn't the right place to discusse, I don't care how smooth a game looks, that's doesn't mean it will look real, gt4 looks very realistic and that's why I think it looks the best iout of all other games. What other games can be compared to reality like gt4? GT4 might not look as smooth as the pics but still, gt4 will have the photorealistic look non the less.
 
Originally posted by code_kev
More quotes!

"Those PGR2 images are touched up or doctored, look at some real in-game caps or vids and see the poor car lighting, downgraded IQ, and the overall fake/PC-ish look.."

HAHAH and those GT4 ones arnt!!!! Come on, the ones I posted are real shots, many of these are GT4 shots are blatantly running on a pc with full AA and A filtering! Nothing like Gt4 on a pc eh :P

I'm not biased, im giving alot of you a REALITY check. It's like people pretending the PS2 is better then a PC :P
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I didn't say that any of these pics were in-game.. I speak only of real in-game images of both games.


"HAHAH and those GT4 ones arnt!!!! Come on, the ones I posted are real shots, many of these are GT4 shots are blatantly running on a pc with full AA and A filtering! Nothing like Gt4 on a pc eh :P"

Except the pit-lane image(a touched up 3D simulation in maya) none of these images were generated on a pc.. these caps are oversampled images taked of the SDK and *tranfered* to a pc. Later on the pc are reduced with photoshop for obtain more detail and a crisp look. You're a disinformed fanboy, not any development soft or pc dev emulator can render a real single PS2 3D frame within the help of this external hard(SDK, a PS2 hard with more dev and conectivity features).

PS2 better than the pc? who said that except you?
 

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