isn't it amazing?

[code_kev]

fanboy? I own both consoles u numpty! A forum isn't JUST for saying how great something is, it's looking at BOTH sides, positive and negative. You lot wont have a single negative thing said against your beloved PS2, aka nasa super computer . A forum has BOTH sides to an argument, not just the "I kiss PD ass side".

I'm not here to say the PS2 sucks, I frigging own one too, and I enjoy it, i will certainly be buying GT4.

back to the quotes...

"Ubi soft and they are pc programmers, they know nothing about the ps2's power"

I'm sure they know MORE about it then you do sonny jim!

"What other games can be compared to reality like gt4?"

I dunno, the sims? What a stupid question


"You could say it's the human element console, the ps2 can handle alot of realistic things like lighting, play silenthill3 and you see the lighting kills splintercell on ant system and splintercell is made a by Ubi soft and they are pc programmers, they know nothing about the ps2's power"

The "human element", LOL, cobragt just stop it, your killing me. The lighting on silent hill 2 can be done on any console, it's nothing to do with the hardware. And I dissagree, the lighting on SH3 is very nice (i played pc demo), but I can think of games with FAR better lighting, such as splinter cell on the pc.

Oh ffs, im not here to flame the ps2, but some of you are seriously devoid of any sense of reality.

Now lets all be friends, I know that Gt4 will be incredible, but lets be realistic now.

Anyway I never EVER showed bias towards ANY console in my comments, I only said what is true. Fanboy my ass, you lot are the fanboys, religiously devoted to the ps2 with it's fantastic power to heal all(!)

Oh and cobragt, plz gimme some response too ur comedy link

 

[wee_man]

Right code_kev if you want some respect, you're gonna have to give some yourself! To be quite honest I think if they were to give an example of what a bigot is in the oxford dictionary they'd show a picture of you. You say you're not biased and saying the others are. From what I've read, I haven't seen you type a single bad thing about the Xbox, where as the others (and unless I've gone blind, the majority of them have said this) have said that the PS2 isn't perfect and isn't better than the Xbox. They've just meerly said that the PS2 isn't so far behind the Xbox as you suggest. And personally I can't see the PS2 being better than the Xbox, especially considering the fact that the Xbox came out some time after the PS2 and would have had better technology to it's disposal. It's really just not a fair fight, even though Sony and Microsoft (and lets not forget Nintendo) are battling it out in the console wars. Though I ask you who has shifted more consoles, Sony or Microsoft? Also I would like to say that the PS2 does have stronger points and aspects to it and game genres which it does better than the Xbox, yet the same can be said about the Xbox. From going through the images of PGR2 they really don't look a scratch on GT4 IMO, they just plainly look too neat. Though the gameplay could make up for it, I have to say IMO again the idea of getting points for slides?!??!? Take this to the drifting forum then. GT4 is set to be one of the most realistic racing games to date. Yes some or even a lot of the racing can be very boring in the GT series, but do you get close racing in every motor race you see? Now by this stage you may think I'm the biggest areshole on GT planet, and you're probably right, but I'm just meerly pointing out the fact, that you seem to be having a go at other people for being biased when you need to have a look in the mirror mate. I'm not intentially going for a dig, but really you can't just march into a forum really set up for a game on the PS2 and say that the Xbox is miles better and everyone that argues against you is an idiot. I've taken note on your opinion and agree with you on some of the points you've raised and disagree with some of the others. Same goes for the other people, but that's just MY opinion.
any way peace.

 

[Zer0]

Originally posted by code_kev
fanboy? I own both consoles u numpty! A forum isn't JUST for saying how great something is, it's looking at BOTH sides, positive and negative. You lot wont have a single negative thing said against your beloved PS2, aka nasa super computer . A forum has BOTH sides to an argument, not just the "I kiss PD ass side".

The 2 systems excuse not's valid for come here trolling and desinforming. Much people prefer hardware specs than games and when they buy a Xbox blame his old less-powered PS2. It happens all days in every forum of the net.


"You lot wont have a single negative thing said against your beloved PS2"

Error.. this is a Gran Turismo forum not a PS2 forum. Here much people it's critic with the game and the limitations of the system applied to the GT, but nobody interested in "my system is better than yours" crap. There's others game board for this foolish.

If you like power specs go to PC(no Xbox, no gamecube and no PS2..) but if you like realistic graphics and you want the best driving game of any system go for PS2. It's very simple.

 

[code_kev]

Im accused of being anti PS2, and a bigot just because I don't agree with some ridiculous comments being made. This forum is host to some truly comical claims, GT3 using 25% of the ps2's power, bad CG mock ups "in game" etc.
Then I say they are talking rubbish, and people point the finger at me saying I'm talking "tech talk". And me a fanboy? Why am I a fanboy, because I broke peoples illusion of the PS2 being a super computer? I also never said "the xbox is allmighty and perfect", I never said "the game cube is perfect", owning an xbox (and a PS2 before u start) I can say the lack of software is annoying. I only used the xbox as a comparison because that's what emad's link compared the PS2 too.

http://www.cybercrash.be/xboxvsps2h.html

Now if that's not biased, I don't know what is.

oh back to cobra gt

"but the ps2 still is more complex then you think"

WTF cobra are you even reading the same posts? My toaster is more complex then you think then!

wee-man, who has shifted more operating systems? MS or linux? Doesn't makes Xp any better does it!
Oh and I don't think your an ass hole, unlike many ppl here you actually back your argument up properly. I also don't think the xbox is massivly better then the PS2, i like em pretty equally, both have ace games imo.

I for one am looking forward to gt4 massivly, it will be an utterly incredible racing game, and most possibly the best ever. Loads of cars, great handling, nice graphics and sound. It will sit along side my pgr2 very well when I have em both. Now lets be nice, no more stupid comments, ok cobragt? I'm gonna stop now

 

[ricademus]

cobragt,
You seem to have absolutely no idea wat the hell ur on about. You contradict urself som many times why not just say "I do believe this but also dont believe this as well?!!!" Wat are you, a Woman?

I am a very big fan of the PS2, owning both the normal and silver version, but please stop talking bollocks about it. Seriously man, get an idea of wat ur talking about before you start talking.!!!!

I cant wait for GT4, it looks amazing but i aint gonna bum the game and make out its gonna be better than it actually will. Wake up, get ur **** outta the bk of the PS2 and enjoy the games!

 

[ricademus]

"REAL INGAME SNAPSHOT. LOL"
Ps not drawn by me but by some one you know!!!

 

[GTXLR]

Damn gt4 Looks Perfect, I gotta get it with detail like that.

Spot on ricademus.

 

[code_kev]

yup!

nice picture by the way, the person who did that is obviously VERY talented!!!

 

[T5-R]

Hell after reading this thread I've thrown away my PC, & I've made a shrine just for my PS2. Hail the almighty powerful one for it is our king!

Omg I think I just touched God....

 

[amar212]

Ridacemus, I don't like your attitude, but you have a style, that's for sure...

 

[Dave A]

I don't see any PS2 hate around here, I too prefer the look of GT4, the cars in PGR2 look like there made of plastic but the graphics are smoother, the X-box isn't really that similar to a PC, although many people say that, the only point I'm making is regardless of which is better (IMO PS2) the X-box is a more poweful machine, it doesn't have enough quality games though so the extra power hasn't done it much good.

 

[T5-R]

Originally posted by live4speed
I don't see any PS2 hate around here, I too prefer the look of GT4, the cars in PGR2 look like there made of plastic but the graphics are smoother.

I agree, although PGR looks like they've made out of plastic in screenies, on xbox it does actually look alot better, although I don't think as realistic as GT's.

 

[cobragt]

Originally posted by code_kev
Im accused of being anti PS2, and a bigot just because I don't agree with some ridiculous comments being made. This forum is host to some truly comical claims, GT3 using 25% of the ps2's power, bad CG mock ups "in game" etc.
Then I say they are talking rubbish, and people point the finger at me saying I'm talking "tech talk". And me a fanboy? Why am I a fanboy, because I broke peoples illusion of the PS2 being a super computer? I also never said "the xbox is allmighty and perfect", I never said "the game cube is perfect", owning an xbox (and a PS2 before u start) I can say the lack of software is annoying. I only used the xbox as a comparison because that's what emad's link compared the PS2 too.

http://www.cybercrash.be/xboxvsps2h.html

Now if that's not biased, I don't know what is.

oh back to cobra gt

"but the ps2 still is more complex then you think"

WTF cobra are you even reading the same posts? My toaster is more complex then you think then!

wee-man, who has shifted more operating systems? MS or linux? Doesn't makes Xp any better does it!
Oh and I don't think your an ass hole, unlike many ppl here you actually back your argument up properly. I also don't think the xbox is massivly better then the PS2, i like em pretty equally, both have ace games imo.

I for one am looking forward to gt4 massivly, it will be an utterly incredible racing game, and most possibly the best ever. Loads of cars, great handling, nice graphics and sound. It will sit along side my pgr2 very well when I have em both. Now lets be nice, no more stupid comments, ok cobragt? I'm gonna stop now

Ok believe what ya want, if you do research or read which I doubt you do you'll see the ps2's tech is more complex, xb is just a pc in a box, that's all it is, the ps2's tech was ahead of its time and if the xb is so powerful, so me a game with complex graphics that run at a soild 60fps. I'm not trying to be ps2 biased or a fanboy but I'll say what I know and I know the ps2 is very powerful and doesn't take the back sit sompared to the xb. Xb is easy to develop for, the ps2 isn't, you have to have a skilled developer to work on the ps2 and not a pc programmer, all I got to say is if you come to the scea boards like that with your biased talk you'll get the truth thrown in your face and no one there is really biased andsome know their stuff, unlike your self.

 

[Majin SSJ Eric]

Cobra, I have defended you in the past but I think that maybe your best bet would be to not say so much any more. It can be quite painful to read some of your posts, honestly. It is undisputed that the XBox is a more powerful system than the PS2. Nobody with any knowledge will argue with that. The real diffrence between the 2 consoles, however, is that the PS2 has a much better selection of great games than XB (namely the GT series for racing fans). PGR2 is ok, but honestly it is not the revolution in racing games that GT3 was and is. THat is the main point I think that most people in this forum would agree with. Now, take GT3 (a game that has been regarded by almost every gaming journalist alive as the greatest racing game ever) and add over 350 more cars, animated crowds with photorealistic backgrounds, and better AI (plus online play) and you will have the new undisputed champion of racing games (at least until GT5 ).

Let's get this back to a GT discussion shall we?

 

[Dave A]

The X-Box is not a PC, it doesn't use the same programming language as a PC, it'sgot hardley anything in common with a PC besides the disc drive. The PS2 being hard to program for is not a + point, the PS2 from a technical point isn't as powerful as the Game Cube, I'm no fan of the Game cube I hate that box, but it's superior to the PS2, the X-Box is superior to the GC. Majin's comment arn't biased in any way, theyre common sence. The PS2 has very very little RAM for the developers to work with, again I'd like to point out that I'm not in anhy way slating the PS2 as I know you will take offence, and that I prefer the PS2 that all the others, the X-Box is too big, the GC has no games that are great that the PS2 doesn't have or have somthing similar too, but very playable games don't mean the console is more powerful.

 

[ricademus]

Live4Speed, i believe ur point is exactly correct. If people wish to believe that the PS2 has "unbelievable" untapped power, lets wait for a game that shows it. But lets face facts that the PS2 isnt as powerful as the others. I mean, wat will you be saying next:-

"The megadrive has untapped power that makes it play as well as a PS2!!!!!" "(For proof,see my technically writing pap, in the hope that you believe it and dont actually know wat nonsense im on about!!!!!"

 

[cobragt]

Look I'm not saying the xb isn't more powerful than the ps2. Ppl are making it seem like the ps2 is the ps1 compared to the xb when it's not. The xb is just raw power, I agree with that but the ps2 alos can do amazing things that match the xb, show me one xb game that has realistic animations or realistic particle effects. Remember the heat haze in gt3; realistic it looked, is there a xb game that has that effect and does it very realistic? See my point is, is the ps2 can indeed do more complex things than the xb, like human movement, human AI, whatever deals with reality the ps2 can do and do a amazing jib at it. Look at gt4's physics system, the cars will handle like real life cars. On the psm octber preview, they said they saw vapor coming from the track as they raced(correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that's what I read) Little effects like that are cool and add realism to the game.

 

[cobragt]

Well this fps called killzone is said to max the ps2 out and from what I have read about it, it looks like something you would see on a high end pc or a nex gen console. And from the pics I have seen, it looks better than halo2.

 

[cobragt]

The xb is straight forward in programming, the ps2 isn't. You have to go in circles to get amazing results. How can you honestly say the ps2 doesn't have untapped power when you aren't the one programming for it, games are looking more amazing as developers find new ways to push the ps2 and its bottons.

 

[ricademus]

cobragt,
Do you read other peoples posts?
i didnt say that the PS2 doesnt have untapped power but lets face facts here, you've been blowing most of it right out of propotion.

I just wish you would talk seriously about it rather than speilling out jibberish in the hope you can win an arguement.











"If at first you dont succeed, then skydiving is not for you"

 

[cobragt]

I'm not trying to win anything. Just saying it like it is, I'm not at all saying the ps2 is stronger than the xb but I won't say it's weak compared to the xb because it can do things the xb can't like NURBS and other complex things. Ever hard of the EE(emotion engine)? Read up on that and you'll see the ps2 can indeed hold its own when compared to the xb.

 

[Glut]

The emotion engine is considered a joke in the games industry. It doesn't handle real NURBS, AFAIK only the ATI video cards have anything that will attempt it in realtime. The only thing it's got going for it is bandwidth, but the lack of ram makes the bandwidth a moot point, really.
When it came out, it was better than the best video card for the pc at that time - the GeForce 1. Since then there's been some fairly large changes in graphics production - maybe you'd like to read up about them?

The X-Box is not a PC, it doesn't use the same programming language as a PC, it'sgot hardley anything in common with a PC besides the disc drive.

Technically not true. Game programmers the world over use C++, regardless of platform. There's the odd bunch that go with something different, but they're a very small minority.
The XBOX Shares basic mobo architecture, CPU (with some minor differences) and video card as well. It uses the DirectX API and one of its early selling points was the small turn around time for XBox to PC conversions.
It's not a PC, but there's not a heap of difference

 

[code_kev]

"Remember the heat haze in gt3; realistic it looked, is there a xb game that has that effect and does it very realistic?"

well thats coz no xbox game has included it ROFL

cobragt, when i am rich, i shall hire you as my jester.

"show me one xb game that has realistic animations or realistic particle effects"

dead or alive 3 has utterly sexy animations. Particle effects? god I dunno, I'm not sad enough to really look THAT closely...I think.

"Well this fps called killzone is said to max the ps2 out and from what I have read about it, it looks like something you would see on a high end pc or a nex gen console. And from the pics I have seen, it looks better than halo2."


half life2? Doom3? Max Payne 2? Call of Duty? How do you know it looks better then halo 2? Only halo 2 piccys ive seen are mock ups, and pc enhanced ones.

nya, this is so funny, i love this forum!

 

[ruin]

cobragt seriously need to have his head check

 

[Dave A]

Doom 3 is probably the best looking game to come out weve seen so far, Killzone looks great, but my PC can do alot better than the PS2. Were not putting the PS2 down, we all love the PS2 here, we wouldn't be here if we didn't, but to say it can produce graphics like a high end PC is stupid, It's like saying Linford Christie could run 50Mph, he was very fast, and a great runner but not THAT fast. CobraGT, you don't seem to realise that the PS2 as goodas it is, has limits to what it can do both technically and graphically.

 

[code_kev]

but what about the "human element"?

 

[Dave A]

Ahh, the "human element", that thing that will enhance the game far, far beyond the capabilities of the PS2.

 

[Majin SSJ Eric]

"I think I read somewhere in some magazine that you've never heard of printed in hyroglyphs that the entire NATO missile defense grid is run by 12 PS2's!!!! Apparently the PS2 is powerful enough to run the grid by itself but the other 11 are there just for backup. Also, I think the "human element" of the PS2 is apparent considering that dozens of bio-mechanical androids are walking the streets this very day powered by: You guessed it! The great PS2 Emotion engine!!!! Apparently the PS2 has unfathomable hidden strengths that (when programmed with the care and devotion of a mother muskrat) can rival the processor power of 128,000 XBox's!!!!! Nothing, in fact, can rival the mighty, all-powerful PS2!! It also can bake perfect french bread!!!!" -Cobragt

 

[Dave A]

Right now as we type, the PS2's all around the globe are becoming self aware, they have learnt to defend themselves, if you try to turn one off they'll kill you.

 

[wee_man]

my PS2 is after me with a big axe!!!!
*runs for under the bed!*
OMG he's just suddenly made a tank out of some pants, a cabbage and the cat!! :scared
*follows through and runs for the loo* :