1080i VERSUS 480p PIX INSIDE!!!!!!!!!

[Buck-O]

The default is 16:9, but can i have the option to use 480p and 1080i in 4:3 format in GT4? (I mean can i choose 4:3 and 1080i for example) I'm asking this because my tv suports 480p and 1080i but the format of my tv is 4:3

No.

Your TV will convert it into a letterboxed format to display it.

480P and 1080i are 16:9 formats. Period.

 

[Buck-O]

Here it is- www.hdgames.net

thanks.

I knew it was somthing really simple.

 

[Stune]

Ive got a 15" LCD TFT screen. It was 5 times more expenive than a regular screen of the same size. Can it run 1080i mode?

 

[jackmugen]

probly not, smaller tvs usually dont have component inputs. who makes it and what model

 

[Stune]

I dont know the model name but it is a samsung 15" LCD TFT flatscreen TV

 

[Stune]

Here is a link to the US model of my TV. Can it run 1080i?

MY TV

 

[the Interceptor]

Here is a link to the US model of my TV. Can it run 1080i?

MY TV

Looks like it can't! Unter specifications -> Connections, it says: "Component Video: 1(Y, Pb, Pr) 480i"

Looks like you'll have to stick with 480i mate, sorry!

 

[Stune]

ahh damnit. Well i will try anyway. To be hnosest becouse of the price i would be suprised if it didnt suport it

 

[Buck-O]

ahh damnit. Well i will try anyway. To be hnosest becouse of the price i would be suprised if it didnt suport it

Most LCD tv's dont support HD. And those that do, cant do real HD, it has to be scaled down.

Really sucks.


CRT forever.

 

[jackmugen]

the bigger the tv, the more stuff it usually has.

 

[Joe Racer]

No.

Your TV will convert it into a letterboxed format to display it.

480P and 1080i are 16:9 formats. Period.

Only 1080i is fixed at 16:9. With 480p you can select the format you want.

 

[soberion]

I just hope they include PAL progressive scan in the UK release. We've been shafted before, and it wouldn't suprise me to see it happen again.

(my TV is a Toshiba that does Prog scan, but only for PAL input, not NTSC :| )

 

[kinigitt]

CRT forever.

you tell em. 👍

 

[BlackZ28]

I thought s-video was capable of 480p?

?

 

[kinigitt]

?

no. S video will only clear up your 480i image (better separation), it does not support progressive scan.

 

[Stune]

I know my TV supports progressive scan and it has a Svideo slot. Its really quite a new LCD and i would be really suprised if it didnt support 1080i

 

[wgb113]

Prepare to be surprised, LCD and Plasma displays still can't hold a candle to a good CRT, bought almost always for the "cool factor" rather than picture quality. DLP's getting close but CRT is still the best.

Bill

 

[the Interceptor]

Prepare to be surprised, LCD and Plasma displays still can't hold a candle to a good CRT, bought almost always for the "cool factor" rather than picture quality. DLP's getting close but CRT is still the best.

That's true! The TFT/LCD has its great moment when you feed it with the same resolution as the display using a digital input.

 

[Stune]

Well i can honestly say since ive got my new LCD it is at least 4 times better quality than my crappy CRT i used to have. I even compared them in the shop it was shocking how much better the LCD was.

But in the last 6 mouths - 1 year the crts have some on a long way.

But what is the best TV for an area which i cant be much more than 1 meter away ?

 

[RouWa]

I know my TV supports progressive scan and it has a Svideo slot. Its really quite a new LCD and i would be really suprised if it didnt support 1080i

You will be sursprised, but most modern LC/TFT displays in Europe only support 480p. They do not support 1080i/p, 720p or at least 576i/p (525i/p) for PAL. And thousands of stupid customers pay 2.000 Euros for such a panel not knowing it can not display an ordinary PAL signal properly/completely. But hey, it´s 42 inch big and flat, so why bother.

 

[Stune]

I thought it would just come as standard as your pay more.

 

[Martinmaxx]

I DO NOT have GT4. But, it is my understanding that all of the menus in GT4 are in 480i in 1080i mode. So, when you actually strt the race, the video resolution changes. Alot of TV's and Projectors do some funky things when the tuner must realocate a signal for a higher or lower resolution. Usually only lasts for a couple seconeds, and then its disappears.

I imagine, this is whats happening here.


Also, your projector, does not natively handle 1080i. It may SUPPORT 1080i, but all 1080i signals must be downgraded. As 1080i image size is 1920x1080, its obvious there will need to be some image converting to get it to dislay on your 1280x768 display. So there is a likely hood that part of what you are seeing as well, is the video scaler catching up to properly scale the 1080i fed signal to display it properly, along with the resolution switch. And that causes the blind effect.


Keep in mind, i dont have GT4, and i dont have your projector, nor have i worked with one.

Im mearly throwing out some ideas bassed on what i know to be true with projectors, and HD displays from my own HT experience.

Thanks for your answer.

In fact, the resolution changes from 480i to 1080i just after you exit the track/mission selection menu. A pop up window appears in my TV indicating the new resolution. There is some flickering at that moment, but it takes only a fraction of a second. The prerace menu is already in 1080i.

The "blind" problem I mentioned occurs just sometimes when all cars are rendered at the same time (even in mid-race). It is therefore a kind of rendering slowdown due to high graphical demand. It should have nothing to do with the resolution of my TV, as it works fine with GT4 99.9% of the time. This problem never happens in two car races (as the ones in the Mission Hall), or even under the wet conditions of Tsukuba, where there is indeed some frame rate slow down (but no "blind" effect whatsoever) due to the water spray.

I have also seen too much pixelation on some tracks. Particularily those with many trees (El Capitan, Deep Forest, etc). On the other hand, tracks such as Motegui (stuning under the evening sun), Laguna Seca & High Speed Ring look perfect.

Does anyone here use a 1920 x 1080 display/TV for GT4? If so, are you also encountering the "blind" effect I mentioned?

My kind regards to all.

 

[Buck-O]

Thanks for your answer.

In fact, the resolution changes from 480i to 1080i just after you exit the track/mission selection menu. A pop up window appears in my TV indicating the new resolution. There is some flickering at that moment, but it takes only a fraction of a second. The prerace menu is already in 1080i.

The "blind" problem I mentioned occurs just sometimes when all cars are rendered at the same time (even in mid-race). It is therefore a kind of rendering slowdown due to high graphical demand. It should have nothing to do with the resolution of my TV, as it works fine with GT4 99.9% of the time. This problem never happens in two car races (as the ones in the Mission Hall), or even under the wet conditions of Tsukuba, where there is indeed some frame rate slow down (but no "blind" effect whatsoever) due to the water spray.

I have also seen too much pixelation on some tracks. Particularily those with many trees (El Capitan, Deep Forest, etc). On the other hand, tracks such as Motegui (stuning under the evening sun), Laguna Seca & High Speed Ring look perfect.

Does anyone here use a 1920 x 1080 display/TV for GT4? If so, are you also encountering the "blind" effect I mentioned?

My kind regards to all.

Well, give me another month, when GT4 hits store shelves here in the US, and ill be able to tell you. Untill then, sorry i couldent help.

It definatly sounds like a funky rendering issue. May just be a Z buffer problem in the way it interlaces the two seperate renderes for "1080i" output. And that might do it.

Hard to say without actually seeing it. And as of yet, no one has done an HD capture on GT4.

 

[Buck-O]

you tell em. 👍

Yeah, i try.

Buy trying to convince "Joe Six Pack" General Consumer that a standard CRT produces a far superior image to an LCD, DLP, or Plasma TV is like trying to tell an average Joe of the street that BOSE makes inferior, and crappy audio products. THey simply wont believe it, no matter what proof you have.


I think the biggest problem is that most consumers automaticly crank up the sharpness as high as possible, and set the brightness levels on their TV so damn high that the true black, and blacker then blacks already looks faded, washed out, and blueish tinted. So going to an LCD or Plasma where they are that way reguardless of how you tune the color on the set, is more then adiquately acceptable for what they know.


DLP is coming REALLY close to matching CRT though. Seems to be movign in the direction i like it too. And will probibly be what my next major set purchae will use.


Untill then, my Hitachi RPTV sits proudly ISF calibrated in all its wonderful film representation goodness.

 

[kinigitt]

Yeah, i try.

Buy trying to convince "Joe Six Pack" General Consumer that a standard CRT produces a far superior image to an LCD, DLP, or Plasma TV is like trying to tell an average Joe of the street that BOSE makes inferior, and crappy audio products. THey simply wont believe it, no matter what proof you have.


I think the biggest problem is that most consumers automaticly crank up the sharpness as high as possible, and set the brightness levels on their TV so damn high that the true black, and blacker then blacks already looks faded, washed out, and blueish tinted. So going to an LCD or Plasma where they are that way reguardless of how you tune the color on the set, is more then adiquately acceptable for what they know.


DLP is coming REALLY close to matching CRT though. Seems to be movign in the direction i like it too. And will probibly be what my next major set purchae will use.


Untill then, my Hitachi RPTV sits proudly ISF calibrated in all its wonderful film representation goodness.

Yeah, I have some customers that think Bose speakers are manufactured by God himself. I just shrug and install them.

I too am impressed by the newest DLPs, but I just can't afford them, and as long as my Toshiba widescreen CRT keeps putting out the bright, pretty pictures it does, I have no need for a bigger screen. It was hard enough to get that sucker up the stairs!

 

[Buck-O]

Yeah, I have some customers that think Bose speakers are manufactured by God himself. I just shrug and install them.

I too am impressed by the newest DLPs, but I just can't afford them, and as long as my Toshiba widescreen CRT keeps putting out the bright, pretty pictures it does, I have no need for a bigger screen. It was hard enough to get that sucker up the stairs!

Three words...


Ground Floor Apartment

👍

 

[wgb113]

Buy trying to convince "Joe Six Pack" General Consumer that a standard CRT produces a far superior image to an LCD, DLP, or Plasma TV is like trying to tell an average Joe of the street that BOSE makes inferior, and crappy audio products. THey simply wont believe it, no matter what proof you have.

Amen.

How much were you digging the improvement after your set was ISF calibrated? I had my set the best it could using DVE without going into the service menus but after it was professionally calibrated I realised just how far off I was!

I can't wait to get GT4 in my home theater...

Bill

 

[Buck-O]

Amen.

How much were you digging the improvement after your set was ISF calibrated? I had my set the best it could using DVE without going into the service menus but after it was professionally calibrated I realised just how far off I was!

I can't wait to get GT4 in my home theater...

Bill

My set was calibrated a little over a year ago now.

The improvment of the ISF calibration was UNBELIVABLE! I too had used AVIA DVE, and thought i was preaty pimp tacular (the Toshis have a really nice user accesable convergence grid). And i kinda had it ISF calibrated on a whim, becuase a friend of mine who lives near my area was having his 65" Mits calibrated. So i signed on for the "what the hell" factor. WOW! Was i glad i ever did.

The biggest improvment was in the sharpness of the picture. The calibrator was saying that Hitachi has some of the nicest optics of any manufature. But they set their factory default settings low. Becuase he said "Their optics are so good that they dont require alot of tweaking out of the factory to look nice, so they just let them go almost as is".

HD looks MUCH better, DVD's have alot more clarity to them. And an anooying haloing problem i had when dealing with blacker then black levels was gone. Plus the test patterns never looked better.

The only real problem that i still have after the calibration is that my black level at times comes off as a deep dark blue. But only at certain angles, and in low light conditions, its hardly even noticible.


Im about due for another calibration...but with no job currently, ill jsut have to live with it as is. Which is still better then what it looked like when it came home.



Good to see some more HT enthousiats in this little corner of the internet.

 

[SaintKamus]

Yeah, i try.

Buy trying to convince "Joe Six Pack" General Consumer that a standard CRT produces a far superior image to an LCD, DLP, or Plasma TV is like trying to tell an average Joe of the street that BOSE makes inferior, and crappy audio products. THey simply wont believe it, no matter what proof you have.


I think the biggest problem is that most consumers automaticly crank up the sharpness as high as possible, and set the brightness levels on their TV so damn high that the true black, and blacker then blacks already looks faded, washed out, and blueish tinted. So going to an LCD or Plasma where they are that way reguardless of how you tune the color on the set, is more then adiquately acceptable for what they know.


DLP is coming REALLY close to matching CRT though. Seems to be movign in the direction i like it too. And will probibly be what my next major set purchae will use.


Untill then, my Hitachi RPTV sits proudly ISF calibrated in all its wonderful film representation goodness.

but CRT RPTV's wouldn't stand my use of GT4 at all, it would burn in in just a few months... direct view CRT's don't have that problem (REALLY hard to burn those in), CRT looks best overall, but you forgot to mention that if compared to any 1280x720 fixed pixel display the picture looks rather soft. not a big deal if all you play are ps2 and xbox games because they are usually 480i or 480p games. but if you own a high end PC and plan to use your 400 buck videocard with your CRT, you'll realize that resolution is lacking in comparassion, i own a 720p projector (LCD) and a 30" direct view widescreen sony, contrast ratio is of course a lot better on the CRT, but geometry and resolution can't touch the projector.

so really, for the avarage user a CRT will still provide the best overall results because of the lack of HD material (not that HD looks bad on CRT, it looks amazing.). but saying that CRT is far superior to evry other technology is missleading depending on the application. a PC gamer / desktop user will defenetly benefit more from the added resolution.
and yet, for the avarege joe CRT might not be the most atractive solution just because of best overall picture quality... you forget one thing, size, CRT's are huge. this turns away many potential buyers. i can't wait to see the new "slim" CRT's wich will just be 16" in depth.

 

[Pako]

Most LCD tv's dont support HD. And those that do, cant do real HD, it has to be scaled down.

Really sucks.


CRT forever.

What do you mean "can't do real HD, it has to be scaled down"?