You two are missing what im saying. I was giving a reference to how it would have been if Hamilton had not tried to overtake at Bus stop and instead planned to overtake at La Source. He would have been in a much worse position.
I'm not missing what you are saying at all, I simply saying its not relivent to the situation. He did try to overtake and as such the position he
may have been in,
if he hadn't has no bearing on this at all. I've also asked now repeatedly for someone to cite the exact FIA sporting regulation that states he must return to a certain distance behind the other car on returning to P2. I already know why I have't got an answer, simply because it does not exist. Nothing at all in the regulations lays this out in specific terms.
On the ideal overtaking senario for La Source, he would have been farther behind and slower. This is important because it means he was in a position to overtake at La Source because he cut the chicane, had he not, he would have been further back (not much overtaking ever happens at La Source even with fast cars passing slower ones).
Simple question.
After Bus Stop and before La Source who was the car in front and who was going faster?
If he had not bailed for cutting the chicane but slammed on the brakes to take the corner, he may have hit Kimi or if not, lost multiple seconds and would not have had an opportunity to overtake at all for several corners. So that becomes irrelevant, unless you want to tell me that bailing on his move and cutting a chicane should give him the right to attack from an improved position at the next corner?
Its your suposition that it gave him an improved position, I would argue that LH ended up back in P2 and moving at a slower speed. People have argued that 6 kph is not a great deal slower, and I disagree, even on a short straight it makes a big difference to who can potentially get to the next corner first.
In my opinion KR did not expect LH to fight back for the next corner and as such left it too late to defend his position.
He cut a chicane, cheated the course. Not his fault, but he shouldnt take advantage of that. His shortcut put him into a better position to overtake. Thats his infraction.
Again not a single damn thing in the rules states exactly what you must do in a situation like this, nor do I agree that it put him into a better position than he was before the corner. As the entered Bus Stop LH was level with KR's rear tyres at the very least, when they left it he was behind and going slower.
Had he dropped back further and attacked later, there would be no question or opportunity to punish him.
How much further back? How was he to measure it?
It may seem harsh (and I wouldnt have taken away his win, a grid penalty for the next race would have been sufficient), but as Fasj made a point of, if you let him get away with it, other drivers will try the same, so something had to be done.
Utter and complete nonsense of the highest order. Have we seen a spate of cars being released in front of others in the pit lane? Massa was released into the path of a car that had priority and the penatly was a fine of a few thousand Euros. That has not set a precident and you have zero proof that this would .
Secondly the penatly handed to LH was not the only option to the stewards, yet they gave the same penalty that would 'normally' have been given had a corner or chicane been cut, position gained and not returned at all. If anything the precendent being set here is that even attempting to follow the sporting regulations is pointless as the penalty you get will be exactly the same as ignoring it.
A repremand or fine would have been at most a more appropriate penalty, if any was warranted at all (and I don't agree it was).
Regards
Scaff
But to be honest, I could clearly see that most of the penalty are given because of the way Hamilton drives. (except the one in Malaysia) You know, he just seems to overdrive it at times and had paid the price. Well compared to Kimi, Massa and Heikki, I think none of them drive as aggressive as the way Hamilton does. I mean he always lock up his brakes when he drives and always tries to push himself even when he could have backed off a bit, but I was kinda wondering if his driving style is the cause of the penalties........
plus there was 2or so laps left when it happend.but nothing was done about what went on
