2009 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix

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Not the greatest race ever, more interesting than exciting. It's a shame Hamilton retired, it would have been good to see where he would've ended up. Cracking battle between Button and Webber at the end; all new drivers should be forced to watch that to see how close-quarters racing is done.

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I don't think I've ever seen a driver do doughnuts after winning, another 👍 to Vettle.

That was Webber doing the doughnuts.
 
Personally, I think Toyota's lineup for 2010 will be Kamui Kobayashi and Heikki Kovalainen Timo Glock.

There's no need for them to drop Glock. Glock is still relatively new to the F1 circus, and Toyota can get much speed out of him if they deliver a decent car enough. I'm quite convinced already that Kobayashi will have a race seat at Toyota next year. I'm also pretty sure Trulli will make his move to Lotus together with Gascoyne, and perhaps Takuma Sato.
 
Great race, easily one of the better of the year. That last lap was better than entire Grands Prix; it's a shame Button went right instead of left down at the bottom corner, though. I have no idea how Webber pulled up in time.

Webber was already well over to the left (inside) before the braking point, which he nailed perfectly. If Button went to the left as well he would have simply caused an accident.
 
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That was Webber doing the doughnuts.

My mistake, I just looked up and saw a Red Bull doing doughnuts, since Vettle won I assumed it to be him. What was Webber doing doughnuts for anyway?
 
Are you quoting the BBC or Jonathan Legard?

That would be Leggard sir

If this were the Cold War and I were a spymaster, I'd totally recruit Legard to work for me. The man is a sponge for any and all rumours, and he seems to believe them. So he'd be really obvious as a spy,a nd so the bad guys would concentrate on feeding him useless information. At the same time, I've got Brundle, Kravitz and Coulthard doing the actual legwork. After all, it was Legard who suggested Sato would go to Lotus, but anyone who puts their ear to the ground for a moment would know that's the first that has been said of it.

I don't know what is more worrying, you having Brundle/Kravitz/Coulthard working for you or Sato coming back.

If Sato comes back, hide behind the sofa moment

I don't think Toyota will feature the Japanese All-Stars next season. Nor do I think they're going to offer Kobayashi a race seat overnight. He's one of their development drivers, but he's under no obligation to compete until he signs a contract. If his management is any good, they'll be meeting-and-greeting up and down pit lane, establishing contacts. The top teams are locked out, the likes of Toro Rosso and Force India are too slow, and the only ones that really have an opening are Renault. They could be amenable, since they're putting Senna, di Grassi and a few other rookies through their paces (Petrov, for one, is rumoured). I'd say Koayashi is likely to show up in a Toyota next season, but if his management is competent, they'll be exploring every option just in case something comes up.

The only teams locked out so far as far as race seats are concerned is Ferrari, Red Bull and the new Campos outfit (not that I am considering them a big team), McLaren have an opening but they want Raikonnen, Brawn have openings but we think Button will be retained and Rosberg will go there so realistically, Renault are thew biggest team with an opening but are thye going to take this risk with him?

I seriously doubt Nakajima is going to go there. Toyota want to win races, and so hiring the only returning driver who failed to score a point in 2009 is just throwing good money after bad. Both are Toyota development drivers, but Toyota have staged a rare coup in finding Kobayashi; as was pointed out, he hasn't been too impressive in GP2 with DAMS (a midfield team at best), while Romain Grosjean was in a top-flight team with Barwa Addax and look how poorly he's doing. If Toyota have to choose between Nakajima or Kobayashi, choosing Kobayashi is a no-brainer. If they pick Nakajima, one has to wonder why they're even in Formula One, because they plainly don't know themselves.

Toyota have been saying they wanted to win races since they cam in but haven't. They could have done in 2005 if not for the tyre issue at Indy, we will never know and they could have done it this year in Bahrain but it never came through and Brawn won! It's mainly been, again, a year of what should have been with Toyota.

If they do have to choose betwen Kobi and Naka, yeah, they are gonna take Kobi any day of the week but Trulli has been there sonce the dawn of time practically and they haven't really gone forward any further.

Toyota are known to have shown interest in Raikkonen, who'll they'll only be abe to get if the McLaren agreement falls through (and I'm doubting it will make it if Kimi's only in it for the money) and they're willing to throw lots of currency at him. They're believed to be talking with Kovalainen, and I think they'll be able to get more out of him than McLaren did because Kovalainen will fit in better with them. Ever since Mark Webber broke his duck in Germany, Kovalainen has inherited the innviable title of Black Cat Magnet. He was looking very strong in practice, and if his gearbox had held on, he certainly would have looked good for the race. To his credit, he did finish ahead of Kimi Raikkonen. The other driver Toyota are said to be looking at is Sebastien Buemi. I like Buemi in that I see something similar to Kobayashi in him: untapped talent let down by lacklustre machinery. But if Toyota take Kobayashi, they won't sign Buemi. They're too inexpeirenced. If the Raikkonen deal with McLaren doesn't work out and he leaves the sport, I actually wouldn't mind seeing Buemi taking Kovalainen's place ... but it's highly unlkely.

But are Toyota willing to pay the money that Kimi wants?

They might be talking with Kovalinen but he promised so much and then failed to deliver, mainly due to the car that he has been in but mostly because of his own fault. It was the same at Renault and in the end, when he finally got his act together, Alonso threw the toys out of the pram.

Buemi is a talent but, and this is personal opinion again, I hink he will stay and Toro Rosso and take over Mark Webber's seat. He hasnt been bad in races, has been let down by the machinery but look at the last couple of races, he out qualified Vettel, Hamilton and Button in Brazil and did the same to Raikonnen in Abu Dhabi. He has great potential but He's RBR bound

Personally, I think Toyota's lineup for 2010 will be Kamui Kobayashi and Heikki Kovalainen.

As unlikely as it seems, it's the most likely

It's USF1.

Thank you sir

"Dirty Kate did it again!"

Think it's more to the fact that Hamilton has his problems

Great race, can't wait for next season.

Yeah, only 133 days to go :guilty::guilty::guilty:
 
Next year looks to be very promising - more cars, more drivers gunning for the championship. I myself will probably be going for Vettel assuming he has the car to mount a serious championship run. Being an American, my loyalty naturally lies with USF1 (or is it USGPE, i could never tell...), but again, that depends on what drivers they end up with. I think it'll be interesting to see how Lotus will do with the new Cosworth engine...
 
Another great race - I was willing Button to take Webber on the last lap - but great work by both of them to keep their cars intact.

Amusing discussion at the end of the race with Button and Webber - I know that if I was in a ending like that I'd be discussing it with the fellow driver!!

See you next year everyone!!

C.
 
But are Toyota willing to pay the money that Kimi wants?

Toyota have already turned down Kimi's money request, and Kimi says he never even stood still by the thought of driving for Toyota. Kovalainen at Toyota just doesn't make sense, at all. Kovalainen isn't better than either Glock or Trulli, and Kobayashi has already impressed me more during two races than Kovalainen has during the entire season. For Heikki's sake, I do hope he finds a place where he will be treated equally, but I just don't want to see him at Toyota. If Toyota signs up Heikki, they're going 1 step forward, 2 steps back.
 
For people more knowledgable than me in F1 history, when was the last time every team scored a point, let along 10 in a single season, also every team other than Toro Rosso had a Podium and a Fastest lap if I am right, I am pretty sure it has been a while since that has happened.
 
One note...

Kobayashi for WDC in 2010.

Thank you, that is all.
Maybe, could happen, he has sure impressed IMO, but WDC is a bit of a stretch, but if he progresses like he has in his two races than I wouldn't throw him out, kinda makes me wonder where Glock is going.
 
I think we should expand the points system so there are 16 point places available to make it more exciting next season.
 
You expand the points, and it'll help drivers who are inconsistent... somewhat... but the title race will still come down to the same two or three guys, however you score it.

Maybe, could happen, he has sure impressed IMO, but WDC is a bit of a stretch, but if he progresses like he has in his two races than I wouldn't throw him out, kinda makes me wonder where Glock is going.

Glock ain't going nowhere... Trulli... well... we'll see after this season... he is getting old.

Twas meant in jest, but I do believe Kobayashi would be a good wingman for Glock in the next two or three seasons... I'm just tickled pink that he's proven that last race wasn't a fluke and that yes... the boy can actually race the balls off a car and still bring it home in one piece.
 
Good race, great finish and a good ending to an amazing year. A great way to get our taste for the 2010 season too with some promise in Kobayashi who I don't think many would begrudge giving a race seat.

Shame for Hamilton, though he clearly wasn't going to win it anyway after the first pit stops in the end. Nice to have my prediction somewhat ring true too. McLaren secure 3rd place anyway.
A good and exciting drive from Button again, edge of the seat stuff at the end! Well done too to Webber for holding on and being able to stop the car so well!

Congragulations to Vettel on yet another win and he must surely be considered a regular contender now for wins and championships. Less mistakes next year and a similar performing car and its feasible for him to wrap it up. The thing that makes 2010 interesting though is the other driver line-ups and Vettel, Button and everyone else look to have an even bigger fight next season with other teams and cars.

Notable mentions for BMW Sauber on scoring good points on their finale race (yet another solid good drive from Heidfeld) and Sebastien Buemi on his point too.

Rookie of the year: Sebastien Buemi with Kobayashi a close second. Purely because we didn't get to see Kamui under a full season of pressure.
Driver of the year: Jenson Button - quite easy choice, dominating first half, consistent 2nd half. Scored points at all but one race, and without Grosjean it would have been points at all races probably. Most impressive overtaker too.
Team of the year: Force India - difficult choice but I think the turn of speed from this small team is more impressive than the Brawn story, Brawn's success was largely thanks to a year of immense spending on 3 different wind tunnel designs in 2008. Force India had far less resources and about the same preperation (they also had to redesign the car a little for a Mercedes late in development). Fisichella, Sutil and Liuzzi have impressed at some parts of the season and a fastest lap, podium, pole position and 13 points is pretty good from a team that was last with nothing last year.

I look forward to 2010 even more than I did for 2009 - because I know this time there will be even more variety and even more interesting drivers.

I think we should expand the points system so there are 16 point places available to make it more exciting next season.

Points down to only 6th worked fine in 1989 when we had 30 teams. Though with today's reliability I'd say maybe increase down to 10th or increase the podium points like the FOTA suggestion.
But honestly, like with Bernie's medal system, why fix what isn't broke? The current system works fine.
 
For people more knowledgable than me in F1 history, when was the last time every team scored a point, let along 10 in a single season, also every team other than Toro Rosso had a Podium and a Fastest lap if I am right, I am pretty sure it has been a while since that has happened.

The last time every team scored was in 2005. But only because the only team racing against Minardi and Jordan at Indianapolis was Ferrari. I don't think their ever has been a season where every team scored more than 10 points. And again, since Toro Rosso joined, not everyone has got a podium and fastest lap in one season, but possibly in the seasons before that.
 
Anyone else think that they're taking the ban on testing way too far? I mean come on, we have 4 months until the next season and they can't do anything on any track until February?
 
Anyone else think that they're taking the ban on testing way too far? I mean come on, we have 4 months until the next season and they can't do anything on any track until February?

No, it makes perfect sense, becuase it has saved costs. Unlimited testing like in the old days is just not sensible today.
Its also made the racing more unpredictable, increased the pressure on teams and therefore increased the excitement.

No longer do we go to test tracks like Catalunya and have boring races because they have done so many laps. (though Catalunya is still dull for the most part).
No longer do we have a standard order of cars mid-season, cars are being developed at every race with steps forward and backwards being made.

Imagine how boring this season would have been if Brawn had simply tested mid-season and solved their tyre temp issues? They wouldn't have had the fiasco of trying different upgrades too in practice sessions to solve it and they would have taken a more solid route. Granted, all teams would have done this and maybe the non-DDD teams would have caught up faster but overall I think less testing has been a vast improvement on the sport as a whole.

The only testing rules I'd change is for rookies.

Only because Hamilton reported issues with his rear brakes since the start of the race ;)

Yes but the point was even a wild prediction can happen. And I had a feeling he wouldn't win anyway, I don't know why and I obviously realise the data suggested otherwise before the race. Sadly the Buemi and Brawn predictions didn't happen, but ah well. Nice to see F1 isn't predictable like some might say it is.
 
Twas meant in jest, but I do believe Kobayashi would be a good wingman for Glock in the next two or three seasons... I'm just tickled pink that he's proven that last race wasn't a fluke and that yes... the boy can actually race the balls off a car and still bring it home in one piece.

I'm saying this with a straight face (partly because it's swollen; I had my wisdom teeth removed :ouch:); this kid will have the top teams looking after him instead of the other way around in about 2 years.
 
Keep the ban on in-season testing, but the season is over now, and they still aren't allowed to test until the first testing session in February. Why? We have 4 months, but they can only use 1?
 
Yes but the point was even a wild prediction can happen. And I had a feeling he wouldn't win anyway, I don't know why and I obviously realise the data suggested otherwise before the race. Sadly the Buemi and Brawn predictions didn't happen, but ah well. Nice to see F1 isn't predictable like some might say it is.

Who might say F1 is predictable? I think some us just go with the most reasonable choice...that's all. Putting your money on Brawn for the win was one hell of a long shot...and really just showing favoritism if anything, because what did they have in their arsenal to win the race? The only way they could have possibly won would have been due to luck and their competitors dropping out like flies...which didn't happen. So your wild prediction is wrong despite what you say. And mine was to.

Anyone feel sad there aren't anymore races to see Kobayashi fly? :lol:

<---- For his second ever race in F1 he was mighty impressive, consistent, and near flawless. How many rookies can say they passed the WDC of that year on track in their 2nd ever F1 race? As well as beating their veteran teammate from a worse starting position. I'm not going to hype him up (I'll let the results do the talking), but I think he definitely shows great potential...and I hope he manages to get a ride for Yota next year! 👍
 
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Anyone else think that they're taking the ban on testing way too far? I mean come on, we have 4 months until the next season and they can't do anything on any track until February?

How many more teams do you want to pull out?
 
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