2009 Italian Grand Prix

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Top speeds in F1, since the introduction of wings, is mainly down to aerodynamic efficiency. This is why you'll get "lesser" teams at the top of the speed charts as they need to run less downforce in order to try and keep up.
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Agreed, most tracks show the cars at the top of the timesheets, are not top of the speed trap sheets.

Also some info on KERS.
The devices, with batteries and associated equipment, will weigh around 35kg.
Teams currently use around 60-70kg of ballast, which they place wherever best suits the dynamics of the car on a given track. But wherever they place it, it is always very low down in order to keep the centre of gravity as low as possible.
With KERS devices using up around half the current ballast, the centre of gravity height will increase and there will be less flexibility in where the weight is situated within the wheelbase.[UNQUOTE]

A definate disavantage, when quick change of direrction is required.
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sejtur
I respect your opinion, and I think I misunderstood you. You said that the car was heavier if it has KERS. You know that's not true, you just formulated what you wanted to say wrong. You probably wanted say that KERS cars have more weight distributed to the back than non-KERS cars. English is not your first language so I can imagine expressing your thoughts in English doesn't always go well, same goes for me. ;)

We'll see who has predicted right tomorrow. :)
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Yes that's exactly what I want to say... 👍

English is not my first language and yeah it's hard to express it... That's owkey mate and I respect your opinion too... Everyone has their own opinions and this is mine...

Let's see who got their prediction nailed in.. ;) Only rain will ruin everything but as F1 official website stated, rain is in a very little chance so I think we should be ok for this :)
 
Do you race?
I believe Monza is taken at full throttle something like 73% of the time. There are braking zones going into the first turn, della Roggia, Ascari and the Parabolicia.
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Well, in Ascari and Parabolica the breaking is minimal, and the breaking on the turns after the first chicanes (I think they're called Lesmo) isn't really a lot. The first two chicanes is where you really use breaking. I'd imagine that the best part in the track to use KERS is the main straight, so I'm wondering if they'll save energy on the full track and only use it on the straight, or if they'll manage to get enough boost for other parts of the track.
 
tibiquera
Well, in Ascari and Parabolica the breaking is minimal, and the breaking on the turns after the first chicanes (I think they're called Lesmo) isn't really a lot. The first two chicanes is where you really use breaking. I'd imagine that the best part in the track to use KERS is the main straight, so I'm wondering if they'll save energy on the full track and only use it on the straight, or if they'll manage to get enough boost for other parts of the track.
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Energy saving isn't the problem. They could use KERS for a couple of laps, with the braking warmth energy of only one (!) lap. The problem is that they can only use KERS 6,7 secs per lap.
 
Correct me if i'm wrong but, isn't Marlboro still the main sponsor for Ferrari?
 
PJ-FFL
Correct me if i'm wrong but, isn't Marlboro still the main sponsor for Ferrari?
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Nah, "Bob's tools n' fun"
 
PJ-FFL
Correct me if i'm wrong but, isn't Marlboro still the main sponsor for Ferrari?
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Currently, but it sucks quite a bit if you can't show the logo's on the car....
 
Alex.
Currently, but it sucks quite a bit if you can't show the logo's on the car....
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The thing is that Malboro don't really need their name shown: the barcode has become synonymous with the brand. People know exactly what it is, even if it's never explicitly stated.
 
I've just never noticed, because they removed the name in 2008 I think. Hasn't it been that way for decades now? Why would they want to switch to Santander?
 
PJ-FFL
Why would they want to switch to Santander?
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Isn't it obvious?

Free toasters with every account opened. :)
 
PJ-FFL
Why would they want to switch to Santander?
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Tobacco sponsorship has gradually been phased out. I'm pretty sure it's being banned outright as of 2011. Ferrari were alone in running a cigarette livery; Mild Seven left Renault and Lucky Strike/555 left BAR a few years ago now. There's since been a reshuffle in Ferrari's order, with Stefano Domenicalli and his crew taking over from Jean Todt and his boys. Since marketing is always about image, the 'new' Ferrari may have wanted to distance themselves from tobacco branding even tough there's supposedly two more years on their contract with Phillip Morris. Even though they're getting far less from Santander than they were from Malboro, you should never under-estimate a person's attitudes, values and beliefs. If Domenicalli and his people were uncomfortable with Malboro decals on their car and people, they would abandon it as soon as they could. They didn't do it straight away because they've only just come into power at Ferrari, and it was more important that they concentrate on running the team than finding new sponors.
 
Such a shame to see a partnership as historic as Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro. So, Rosso Monza with a big Santander across the back wing and the logo on the nose where the white barcode used to be?
 
A true tiffoso would know that the "historic partnership" only happened after Enzo Ferrari was dead, even if, before that, he grumpily accepted Marlboro as the first sponsor not related to the racing itself. For many tiffosi, having Marlboro as partner and adding the "Marlboro" word to "Scuderia Ferrari" was something close to heresy.

Anyway, at least things were made with decency enough not to make Ferraris look like Mclarens or - a few years before - Alfa Romeos. The "almost" pure red survived.


[btw, good old Enzo wasn't politically correct and had nothing against tobacco as far as I'm aware. But when all cars became coloured by their sponsors he was proud enough to keep his own cars ... just red]
 
Hun200kmh
[btw, good old Enzo wasn't politically correct and had nothing against tobacco as far as I'm aware. But when all cars became coloured by their sponsors he was proud enough to keep his own cars ... just red]
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Ferrari is arguably the only team that can convince sposors to let them run their own colours, though BMW somehow managed it with Petronas, whose colours are a tealy grey instead of white (they probably didn't object white isn't that different to grey).
 
Everyone wants a deal with Ferrari, so they do as much ass kissing and agreeing with ferrari's every demand, just to get in with the fun of business.
 
PJ-FFL
Such a shame to see a partnership as historic as Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro. So, Rosso Monza with a big Santander across the back wing and the logo on the nose where the white barcode used to be?
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Historic? Rubbish.

The historic colours of Ferrari were always Rosso Corsa - I want those back regardless of it not appearing well on television.
 
First practice is on. I know it doesn't count for much, but Hamilton is half a seocnd quicker than Button, who has three hundreths on Barrichello. Fisichella down in nineteenth and the slowest person on the track; Vettel has only done an installation lap (which I think is a product of his engine situation; Red Bull are relying on Webber to get data).
Ardius
The historic colours of Ferrari were always Rosso Corsa - I want those back regardless of it not appearing well on television.
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It's not just Italian Racing Red that doesn't photograph well, but red in general. I think it has something to do with colour balance on television screens.
 
Wow - McLaren stormed P1... It looks like they're strong here.

Fisichella ended up above Raikonnen in the final standings.

And it looks like the Toyotas may as well have not bothered!

C.
 
Superjob from Fisi!!!...
Ok its just 1st practice and this doesn't say much,but it does say Fisi gets used to the car very quickly and thats good news...

Hamilton whas fastest in Spa practice as well,so it will be interesting to see if they can push their performance throughout the whole weekend,and not drop down on saturday like 2 weeks ago.......

Go Fisi go!!!...





spyrrari.
 
Wow, Liuzzi is impressive considering he's never driven this car before into corners 👍 Great to hear his radio chatter too, really detailed and interesting information.
Good work from Fisi too, he's keeping within a few tenths of Raikkonen when they were on the same tyres.

Mercedes powered cars looking strong, Sutil may be onto another Q3 surprise, but its impossible to know. There are more than 10 cars that can get into Q3....
 
Hey hey hey....

McLaren party here??? They're looking strong innit?? The only non-KERS car up on the top 5 is BMW and Force India... They look strong too actually... Good job by the Fisichella grabbing up 8th place... GREAT :)

So it is mixed here between KERS and non-KERS cars... It's just practice by the way... I still have some high hope for the BMW and FI :D

EDIT : And yeah the Kerb is quite high too!!!!
 
McLaren looked like they were doing extremely light fuel runs as they were doing numerous aero tests. Not much to tell from these sessions anyway beyond watching new drivers.
I don't think McLaren will dominate that much through the weekend, in my opinion, Sutil looks the most genuine challenger this weekend, but we will see.
 
Hmmm I dunno but I think this weekend is going to be dominated by McLaren...
Fisi was good on the softs.
The McLarens are the fastest, not because of KERS, but because of the kerbs. Higher kerbs? McLaren will still take them...
 
The picture of the Kerb... Not quite sure on which corner this is...



I bet that the McLaren would have a very comfortable trip there... But I'm afraid not for BMW :(
 
I'm betting on a Hamilton win. Button will probably finish in the points, but not too high, Barrichello and Vettel will screw things up and Webber will miss out on points.
 
Why is it that imtes are almost always slower in the second practice session? Take Jenson Button for instance: he's nearly two seconds off his FP1 time, and he's not the only one ... is it because they're concentrating on race set-up or something?
 
Do you race?
Why is it that imtes are almost always slower in the second practice session? Take Jenson Button for instance: he's nearly two seconds off his FP1 time, and he's not the only one ... is it because they're concentrating on race set-up or something?
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Very much possible...don't forget that practice sessions are not only there to set a fastest time and go on the limit...all setups must be tested:fuel loads/different tyre compounds/new tyres old(ish)tyres/wing setups for short stints and long stints and with this also come ride hights etc etc etc....

So practice sessions are there for everyone to do what they think is best,not only to see what your car/driver can do at maxmum speed!...:)


tomorrow during quiali practise 2 ,you will see the cars drive with lowest fuel and newest tyres to get that one maximum lap out of it,than you can mostely see who has the fastest driver/car combination...


can't wait for quili and the race...we could have another great race on sunday just like the one in Spa 2 weeks ago...!!


spyrrari.
 
spyrrari
tomorrow during quiali practise 2 ,you will see the cars drive with lowest fuel and newest tyres to get that one maximum lap out of it,than you can mostely see who has the fastest driver/car combination...
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Yeah, I know that. I'm just curious because there was no real change in conditions between the sessions.
 
Do you race?
Why is it that imtes are almost always slower in the second practice session? Take Jenson Button for instance: he's nearly two seconds off his FP1 time, and he's not the only one ... is it because they're concentrating on race set-up or something?
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First session is generally used for setup with low fuel. Second session they then start fine tuning the setup for race fuel and try the different tyres.
Thats what I'm guessing.
 
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