2009 Magyar Nagydíj

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After that three week gap between Britain and Germany, the Tuesday before the next round seems to have come around very quickly. But here it is, which means it's time for another installment of discussions in the lead up to Round Ten of the 2009 FIA Formula One World Championship:

ING Magyar Nagydíj
from the Hungaroring


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One Lap of the Hungaroring with Michael Schumacher

Lap Record - 1:19.071
(Michael Schumacher, Scuderia Ferrari, 2004)

2008 Results
1st - Heikki Kovalainen (McLaren-Mercedes)
2nd - Timo Glock (Toyota Racing)
3rd - Kimi Raikkonen (Scuderia Ferrari)


2009 Standings After Nine Races:
Jenson Button (Brawn-Mercedes) - 68
Sebastian Vettel (Red Bull-Renault) - 47
Mark Webber (Red Bull-Renault) - 45.5
Rubens Barrichello (Brawn-Mercedes) - 44
Felipe Massa (Scuderia Ferrari) - 22
Jarno Trulli (Toyota Racing) - 21.5
Nico Rosberg (Williams-Toyota) - 20.5
Timo Glock (Toyota Racing) - 13
Fernando Alonso (Renault F1) - 13
Kimi Räikkönen (Scuderia Ferrari) - 10

The championship moves into what could be its most critical series of races, and it's somewhat ironic that they will be held at the Hungaroring and the Valencia Street Circuit, considered the most boring circuits on the calendar. But the Hungaroring has the unusual claim to fame that it has produced seven different winners in the past seven years, with three of the current lineup - Alonso, Button and Kovalainen - all taking their maiden victories at Budapest.

This race is Red Bull's to lose. The conditions in Hungary have been constantly warm and dry in the twenty years that it has held the event; the one recorded wet race was won by Jenson Button. With the Nurburgring being cooler than expected, we'll finally get to see how the Red Bulls stack up against the Brawns in conditions that suit the latter. With Jenson Button still holding a twenty-one and twenty-four point lead over Sebastian Vettel and Mark Webber respectively, Red Bull will want to come away from Hungary and Valencia with one driver the clear challenger to Button. But with conditions in Hungary and Valencia suiting the Brawns, it may already be too late. If Webber and Vettel cannot sort themselves out, and quickly, they may not be able to touch Button. It's a critical race for everyone invovled, but Red Bull have more to lose than Jenson Button. As for Barrichello, if he doesn't perform here, Brawn may order him to ride shotgun for Button from Valencia onwards, a luxury the duelling Red Bulls will not be able to afford ... but if the order comes, will Barrichello comply?

If any race is going to throw up an unexpected result, it's Hungary; the past seven years suggest as much. Both McLaren and Ferrari are confident that they'll be challenging for points and even podiums here, while Nico Rosberg is hunting for Williams' first podium since the 2008 Singaporean Grand Prix. And elsewhere, Force India are looking to maintain their current form. Any one of these drivers could prove pivotal in the championship standings; on a circuit notorious for difficulty in passing, mistakes by Red Bull and Brawn are not going to be tolerated.

Whatever happens, everything hinges on this race.
 
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Force India will score points this weekend, McLaren will also, Ferrari might get a podium, but they have 4 faster cars to get by. Massa has shown good results so far, finishing in a higher position than where he qualified. But all eyes are on red bull and brawn, this race will be epic.


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I'm a shade annoyed that this is the first race of the season that I'm going to miss - off on holiday to Croatia - and suspect that I won't have time to watch the race!!

C.
 
I have no idea how to embed videos. Don't much care to learn how, either.
 
Already have. That's why yeti can see it.

No you haven't, its a broken link, you've left an extra [/url] in there somewhere or something.

My personal favourite moment from Hungary:

 
I can wait to see how the new guy does!
 
I don't expect something amazing from this guy, he could even become the new Yuji Ide, but he should do well, at least better than Bourdais. He might not score points, but he shouldn't be in last place either.
 
If he places anything better than last I will be impressed, because with no testing and no prior GP2 or F2 experience, he has nothing to build on coming into this race weekend. Has he even driven the Hungaroring before?
Edit: Nevermind, he has in the World Series this year, even finishing in the points.
 
He may know the track, but will the Torro Rosso be to his liking?
If it is, then it will be unlikely that he would do any better than just finishing the race, even if it is last.
 
I'd just like to say this race is building up to be one of the most exciting of the season, all teams except BMW are in with a chance for points for one reason or another:
RBR and Brawn - don't need to say why.
Williams - good performance so far in the season
Renault - same as Williams, significant updates expected to give more speed.
Ferrari - always been 3rd best recently it seems, plus KERS + long start straight
McLaren - major update as well as KERS off the line
Force India - strong(er) season so far, looking closer and closer to gaining their first points and their car is easily the best the team has produced for at least 5/6 years.
Toro Rosso - major update and a driver line up of rookies should be interesting
Toyota and BMW - Toyota have had a good car from time to time but unknown how they will go here, seems to be up in the air if they are good or bad. BMW are dangerously close to being backmarkers if the rookies manage to hold it together.

So we have Brawn looking better to compete with RBR and a big KERS threat on the start line, as well as passing from the final turn (and perhaps other areas on the track). As well as interesting battles midfield from Williams, Force India and perhaps STR. Williams looking for a podium, Force India for points and STR for a top ten finish at least. Throw a massively inexperienced Jaime Alguesuari in the mix and this race may well have the traditional Hungarian winner, someone different.
 
F3 to F1, isn't that from 150hp to 700hp+, 1G to 4G, 30 laps to 70 laps? He is not ready at all.
 
F3 to F1 was the normal path of progress before F3000 was invented.
 
I think this is something of a storm in a teacup. There are three main sticking points: a) his youth, b) his inexperience and c) his fitness.

Regarding his youth, he's only the latest in a string of increasingly-younger drivers. Jenson Button was one of the first drafted into Formula One at a young age, and almost every driver since has been the same. His age is somewhat negated by that, I think.

His expeirence is possibly the biggest sticking point, but I doubt Toro Rosso are going to expect him to challenge for the points. He's probably going to be told not to worry about everyone else and just drive his own race, and once he's a little more comfortable with it - after two or three races - then start giving him a gentle push.

As for his fitness, well, he raised that one himself. And it's not like he can't take it, he's simply stating that this one is probably going to take a lot out of him because it's twice as long as he's used to. And what better way to deal with that than with a one-month break between races afterwards?

If Toro Rosso were really concerned about any of the above, they probably would have recalled Hartley and kept Alguersuari in a testing and reserve role. But this episode highlights everything that I think is wrong with Toro Rosso: a glorified GP2 team designed to break drivers in for other teams to take. I know outfits like Minardi were finders of new talent like Mark Webber and Fernando Alonso, but at least they were allowed to run their own race. Toro Rosso are restricted from the beginning by their parent team.
 
And the Free Practice starts. Good luck Jaime, there he goes!
 
He's top of the list at the moment!!

C.
 
So - he was only two-tenths of a second slower than team-mate Sebastien Buemi.

That's not that bad really?

C.
 
Considering that until now, he'd only done straight-line tests?

No, it's not bad at all.
 
He did 42 laps in first practice and he wasn't dragged unconscious from the car either.

Incidentally he's told the BBC that it's okay to call him Jamie.
 
Incidentally he's told the BBC that it's okay to call him Jamie.
Probably to make it easier on them. It would only be a matter of time before Legard gave up and started calling him Sebastian.
 
His expeirence is possibly the biggest sticking point, but I doubt Toro Rosso are going to expect him to challenge for the points. He's probably going to be told not to worry about everyone else and just drive his own race, and once he's a little more comfortable with it - after two or three races - then start giving him a gentle push.

You say that but thats what drivers normally do after several testing sessions before hand.....Jaime's only track experience is today.
It wouldn't be a problem if he had track experience before hand but he has not, all other examples of F3 and younger graduates had several tests before they got their hands on a race seat.

At the very least though, he can't do anything wrong, it will always be put down as a rookie mistake so he has nothing to lose.
 
I like what I see, Jaime is going to be great.
 
.8 gap from 4th -19th .8 gap from 19th-20th FRI practice2 results.

Doesn't look like the aero package would have helped Bourdais or any other Sebastian, as Buemi is 19th.
 
Alguersuari's current fastest lap in Saturday practice would have put him 6th in yesterdays second session, ahead of Vettel! Maybe its just better conditions but it looks like he may be coming to grips with the car and track.
 
Can somenoe keep this thread updated with the phases of qualifying? I can't connect to Live Timing and qualifying isn't broadcast on our stations (I don't have One HD).

EDIT: Not to worry, just rmemebered the live blog at F1 Fanatic.
 
Massa isn't out of the car yet. I hope he's ok.
 
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