2010 Formula 1 Chinese Grand Prix

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Surely it'd be better if they had one specific problem, and not several!?

I think he was sincerely trying to make it seem not as bad as it looked, and ended up making it look worse. "Hey, our engine is not defective, it just has a bunch of problems!" :lol:
 
Still two hours for the qualify. I'm playing some online poker to keep me awake but I don't know if I'll last that long.
 
What is it with practice here? Petrov shunted so hard the session was red-flagged for a bit.

Quali in an hour or so...
 
WTF! Buemi's suspension must have been sourced from Fidel Castro there.
 
Hmmm... Rosberg under 1:36. Mercedes showing a surprising turn of pace. As expected, the Ferraris have turned up the wick for qualifying, but McLaren still at the top of the table... so far.

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EDIT: Q2: whole crudload of cars under 1:36... eleven, in fact, with Algesuari and Buemi just over. Rosberg still nifty quick. Currently P3 behind Webber and Hamilton (still on for pole, and the only guy under 1:35). Last spot on top ten goes to Schumi over Rubens... with Sutil scraping in above him.
 
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And Bruno outqualifies Chankok again, proving that he's the faster driver :)
 
Pole for Vettel... wow... were all those guys just biding their time? Lewis's scorching 1:34:9 from Q2 would have only landed him 5th. As it is, he's 6th.

Vettel and Webber on the front row at 1:34:5, a clear 3/10ths faster than Webber and 4/10ths ahead of everyone else... followed by Alonso, Rosberg, Button and Hamilton, all with 1:34:9 - 1:35:0... followed by Massa, Kubica, Schumacher and Sutil.

Great for Button... finally outpacing Hamilton... and even better for Rosberg, putting that Mercedes up there.

Wonder what Vettel has on that car... that's quite a fantastic turn of speed...
 
Vettel just almost lost it on his provisional pole lap in the final corner. A scorching 1:34.970 lap from Vettel with 4 minutes left.
 
And Vettel does it again, pole position, but we all know what that means, something will break.
 
And Bruno outqualifies Chankok again, proving that he's the faster driver :)

Not that much of an achievment if I'm honest. I think you see a little too much of Ayrton in Bruno, I don't think he quite has it.
 
I watched that live and I don't agree. Ok, I do agree that everything should be done to make motorsport safer but I don't agree that Surtees' accident should be referred to without also mentiong that motorsport is inherently dangerous and that an open-cockpit design is always going to be fundamentally flawed, the driver's head is always going to be vulnerable and I don't think its possible to solve this without comprimising safety in another area. It was unfortunate but couldn't be avoided - again in that instance the wheel tether failed because the forces being exerted by Jack Clarke's wheel on its tether were so great that it reached its limit. Like I said before, a tether cannot take unlimited energy without comprimising the car's crash structure. And if the crash structure is broken apart, you may not have had one fatal accident but two.
Of course, the sport should strive to further improve wheel tethers, but currently they just can't take some of the rediculously high forces exerted by the wheel and this isn't something easily solved.

Saying that though, it does also state on your race ticket "Motorsport is a dangerous sport, you spectate at your own risk" so there is also an element of fans and marshals being aware of the dangers. Though obviously I agree spectator and marshal safety are important too - just its not just drivers who are "aware of the dangers" and it shouldn't be seen as that only the drivers are accepting risks, really everyone involved at the circuit is accepting risks.

I don't think anyone is contesting that motor sport is inherently dangerous, or that open wheel racing can eliminate the direct risk of the driver, particularly his head. I also accept that instances will occur where the detaching of a wheel will be unavoidable, for example; the coming together of two cars, a heavy impact between a car and a wall, usually at an oblique angle.
However, I really don't think designing a critical part in a substandard and untested fashion is acceptable. A part that is so critical to safety. This is what we are talking about. It's not an issue of the tether failing, it didn't. It's not a 'freak' accident that occurred; it was a design or manufacturing flaw that caused the incident. Were the team trying to reduce the weight of this part? should the part in question face a pre-testing regime similar to that of the cockpit?
The fact that this incident occurred as it did means it can just as easily happen again, on any given lap of the race for example. So the scenario changes; there are several cars around and the bank of grass behind the three lines of fence beyond the run off and gravel trap is full of spectators and then....bam the shoddy parts fail again but this time the race is ruined and several spectators die as a result of the wheels flying over the fence.

Is that a racing incident or an avoidable situation? Just because it hasn't happened before does not make it excusable.
 
Great for Button... finally outpacing Hamilton...
Button is 3-1 up in qualifying so far this season. He's doing better in qualifying against Hamilton than anyone expected.
 
Not that much of an achievment if I'm honest. I think you see a little too much of Ayrton in Bruno, I don't think he quite has it.

He's a rookie, and he has the slowest car on the grid, no one expects anything from him until he gets a car that won't get lapped 5 times a race.
 
This made the pessimistic side of me emerge...

Surely it'd be better if they had one specific problem, and not several!?

I think he was sincerely trying to make it seem not as bad as it looked, and ended up making it look worse. "Hey, our engine is not defective, it just has a bunch of problems!" :lol:

Read the full quote before you mock them:
F1.com
“We have carried out an in-depth study into what happened and the two problems are not related to one another,” explained Marmorini. “In Sepang, Fernando’s engine suffered a structural failure, of a type we never saw during the winter. We believe there was a role played by the unusual way in which the driver had to use the engine during the race, because of the gear selection problems he experienced right from the start. Additionally, there is no connection with the problem the BMW Sauber team experienced on the engine front at the last race, which we believe was down to an issue with electronic sensors.”

So with Scuderia Ferrari's engines, there was nothing inherently wrong with them, just Alonso's gearbox trouble caused issues.
With Sauber, I think cheaper parts or bad installation may be to blame. Remember that it is a BMW-designed car with a Ferrari slotted in, it may not have fit too well or it might not be cooled effectively.
Massa and the Toro Rosso's have been fine too.

The problems are being blown out of proportion, the only issue Ferrari face is juggling the fresh engines for the rest of the year to avoid grid penalties for the 9th or 10th engines.


Anyway, an entirely predictable qualifying session today, with the only note-worthy surprise being Liuzzi failing to make it past Q1. The new teams have started to get fairly close to the pace now, so they are clearly understanding their cars better and getting better setups from them. HRT have managed to close the gap considerably now they have performed some kind of testing and have some more F1-spec parts on the car.
Is anyone else surprised how happy and well-performing Kovalainen is at Lotus? Bit of a Fisichella case maybe? Where he shines in the small teams with underdog cars?
 
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Pole for Vettel... wow... were all those guys just biding their time? Lewis's scorching 1:34:9 from Q2 would have only landed him 5th. As it is, he's 6th.

Vettel and Webber on the front row at 1:34:5, a clear 3/10ths faster than Webber and 4/10ths ahead of everyone else... followed by Alonso, Rosberg, Button and Hamilton, all with 1:34:9 - 1:35:0... followed by Massa, Kubica, Schumacher and Sutil.

Great for Button... finally outpacing Hamilton... and even better for Rosberg, putting that Mercedes up there.

Wonder what Vettel has on that car... that's quite a fantastic turn of speed...

A clear 3 tenths? Vettel lapped 2.5 tenths quicker from Webber in Q3 hopefully Webber can pass Vettel down to the first corner.
 
Is anyone else surprised how happy and well-performing Kovalainen is at Lotus? Bit of a Fisichella case maybe? Where he shines in the small teams with underdog cars?

I think his attitude is excellent and from the looks of it has a much better future at Lotus than Trulli does. The person who is really impressing me this year is Jaime Alguersuari, who just outqualified Buemi again. It's really great to see a young driver performing well in F1 after some significant settling-in time. Grosjean and Piquet disappointed thoroughly, but having seen how much Jaime has come along, one wonders if Grosjean could have made a similar improvement out of that Renault team and with a solid programme of winter testing behind him.

All the best
Maz
 
Yeah, after last year, Alguesuari has impressed and surprised me. Good improvement 👍. Shame he's in a difficult team though, he still has pressure to perform because the Toro Rosso management are not particularly kind to their drivers and I don't think other teams are really looking at him yet. He's there because of the Red Bull young driver programme and he still needs to prove his place in F1 with some more good results like in Malaysia (plus those great overtaking moves).
He may be just pushing the focus onto Buemi now though, in the same way Buemi pushed the focus on Bourdais last year, and Vettel before that. Daniel Ricciardo and Brendon Hartley are waiting in the wings.
 
Chandhok has been given a 5 place grid penalty for a broken seal on his gearbox. What kind of "penalty" is that, given it's not possible to start 29th? :dopey:
 
Well technically the penalty applied before qualifying, so it would have penalised him if he had managed to qualify ahead of anyone.
 
Nice to see Vettel on pole once again. This is his year, I can feel it!
 
1 5 Sebastian Vettel RBR-Renault 1:36.317 1:35.280 1:34.558 21
2 6 Mark Webber RBR-Renault 1:35.978 1:35.100 1:34.806 17
3 8 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:35.987 1:35.235 1:34.913 15
4 4 Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP 1:35.952 1:35.134 1:34.923 17
5 1 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1:36.122 1:35.443 1:34.979 17
6 2 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:35.641 1:34.928 1:35.034 13
7 7 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:36.076 1:35.290 1:35.180 19
8 11 Robert Kubica Renault 1:36.348 1:35.550 1:35.364 21
9 3 Michael Schumacher Mercedes GP 1:36.484 1:35.715 1:35.646 21
10 14 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1:36.671 1:35.665 1:35.963 23
11 9 Rubens Barrichello Williams-Cosworth 1:36.664 1:35.748 15
12 17 Jaime Alguersuari STR-Ferrari 1:36.618 1:36.047 17
13 16 Sebastien Buemi STR-Ferrari 1:36.793 1:36.149 17
14 12 Vitaly Petrov Renault 1:37.031 1:36.311 10
15 23 Kamui Kobayashi BMW Sauber-Ferrari 1:37.044 1:36.422 16
16 10 Nico Hulkenberg Williams-Cosworth 1:37.049 1:36.647 14
17 22 Pedro de la Rosa BMW Sauber-Ferrari 1:37.050 1:37.020 15
18 15 Vitantonio Liuzzi Force India-Mercedes 1:37.161 9
19 24 Timo Glock Virgin-Cosworth 1:39.278 6
20 18 Jarno Trulli Lotus-Cosworth 1:39.399 9
21 19 Heikki Kovalainen Lotus-Cosworth 1:39.520 8
22 25 Lucas di Grassi Virgin-Cosworth 1:39.783 6
23 21 Bruno Senna HRT-Cosworth 1:40.469 10
24 20 Karun Chandhok HRT-Cosworth 1:40.578 7



Lewis seems more comfortable on the prime(harder)tyre than Jenson. Might see him come in for an early stop, comparitively.

Michael is not making much of an impression on Nico, in fact the gap seems to be getting wider. Nico is doing a fantastic job though.

Mark's turn to get a good start, the first turn is a bit tricky when another car is on the outside.

The Ferrari's have good speed. Massa is still having trouble getting the power down cleanly, and will proably hold up whomever is behind, again, due to rear grip degradation.
 
Nico is doing an awesome job this year. It would be nice to see him on the top step of the podium this year at least once.
 
Michael is not making much of an impression on Nico, in fact the gap seems to be getting wider.

That's not Michael's fault, though.

Before the season even started people were over-hyping Michael's return and how he would without doubt be in contention for the title. This never made sense to me. He may be the best F1 driver ever, but he is after all 41 years old, and he has been out of the F1 circus for 3 years.

I never expected Michael to beat Nico, it makes no sense, but I did expect the Mercedes to be faster than they are. Or in this case, were in the first rounds.
 
Nice to see Vettel on pole once again. This is his year, I can feel it!

:lol:

I have to say I am warming to this guy. I particularly enjoyed the interview with Jake Humphrey on the BBC, shown pre-qualifying. It was a mega lap and the Red Bull team performed very well. I just wish Vettel would stop celebrating a pole like it was a race victory.
 
Hamilton did a 1'34.928 in Q2 but went slower in Q3 and beaten by a 1:34.979 from Button. He should be ahead of Alonso and just in the .800

Hopefully we'll see some overtakes on the back straight and McLaren can get those places back.
 
Supposedly it's going to be a wet race tomorrow, good lord i hope turn 1 doesn't turn into vehicular carnage :(
 
Did we not watch the same qualifying session two weeks ago? For Malaysia, after 4pm it always rains it just can't be predicted when. It was always a certainty at some point in the weekend and it did indeed rain on the Saturday.
For China, it may be dry all 3 days, the rain isn't 100% predicted like in Malaysia - as I quoted in the first post, China is a bit more like England, rain is probable but not a certainty.

:rolleyes:

I was very very obviously talking about the race itself and not qualifying.

C.
 
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I chuckled.
 
Supposedly it's going to be a wet race tomorrow, good lord i hope turn 1 doesn't turn into vehicular carnage :(

Could you just imagine, every car gets taken out at turn 1 except for the Lotus, HRT and Virgins :lol: .

Would certainly make for an interesting race ;).
 
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