2010 new teams discussion

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Yes!!! I'm so happy to see that Campos are ready and running. Nice looking car, too. Any news on their next driver?
 
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Yes!!! I'm so happy to see that Campos are ready and running. Nice looking car, too. Any news on their next driver?
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Two posts above yours I found this:

Ardius
Senna and Chandhok confirmed, no test driver confirmed yet.
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I think he meant "who's their test driver?" - but I could be wrong...

C.
 
Good vibes at least from Chandhok's twitter:
http://twitter.com/KarunChandhok
Senna seems happy at least!

I have to say, twitter has really improved lately, following Mike Gascoyne and Jake Humphrey has been very interesting, some great photos sometimes that give some behind the scenes stuff. Lotus have been very good too with their updates on twitter and facebook 👍
 
Any more pictures with better detail of the car?
 
Not "better detail" yet but video at least:

From what I can see, looks like a decent design, very similar to Virgin's but with a more developed front wing. I reckon Dallara have designed a car with decent pace but its reliability is going to be the biggest question mark.
The first few races won't be representative of pace because they will be still learning the car, I mean while everyone else works on setup at Bahrain practice, they will be learning the car's abilities still!
The driver line-up is the weakest of the new teams too, so I'm predicting back of the grid for HRT for most of the season. Hopefully Senna can surprise, Toleman-Senna style.

Edit: Think this deserves its own thread.
 
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Official 2010 Formula 1 entry list

Vodafone McLaren Mercedes
1 Jenson Button (GB)
2 Lewis Hamilton (GB)

Mercedes GP Petronas F1 Team
3 Michael Schumacher (D)
4 Nico Rosberg (D)

Red Bull Racing
5 Sebastian Vettel (D)
6 Mark Webber (AUS)

Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro
7 Felipe Massa (BR)
8 Fernando Alonso (E)

AT&T Williams
9 Rubens Barrichello (BR)
10 Nico Hulkenberg (D)

Renault F1 Team
11 Robert Kubica (PL)
12 Vitaly Petrov (RUS)

Force India F1 Team
14 Adrian Sutil (D)
15 Vitantonio Liuzzi (I)

Scuderia Toro Rosso
16 Sebastien Buemi (CH)
17 Jaime Alguersuari (E)

Lotus Racing
18 Jarno Trulli (I)
19 Heikki Kovalainen (FIN)

HRT F1 Team
20 TBA
21 Bruno Senna (BR)

BMW Sauber F1 Team
22 Pedro de la Rosa (E)
23 Kamui Kobayashi (J)

Virgin Racing
24 Timo Glock (D)
25 Lucas di Grassi (BR)

I hope al the new teams last the year.

Ferrari is sponsored by tobacco again?

Going to try and Make the Canadian Grand Prix.....
 
That Hispania car is freaking ugly. They should've flipped the grey and white areas.
 
BlacqueJacques
Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro

Ferrari is sponsored by tobacco again?
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They never were not sponsored by Marlboro, they just don't print the words on the car - hence the white bar code like images on the engine cover and rear wing.

The bar code was introduced initially when a few countries like Belgium refused to allow tobacco advertising, when it became series wide they just stuck with the bar code design - presumably because it was recognisable as the Marlboro brand.
 
Omnis
That Hispania car is freaking ugly. They should've flipped the grey and white areas.
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Then it would just look like a Sauber. Call me old-fashioned, but I like it when I can tell the cars apart.
 
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I reckon Lopez will take up he test driver spot ,now that USF1 has been screwed.
 
Actually, it's been reported that Lopez - or possibly his father/backers - has ended talks with Hispania. They don't want to get caught up in another maelstrom.
 
Interesting news regarding Stefan GP and why they weren't allowed into the 2010 championship...

Stefan GP - unlike US F1 - have a car and were merely required to pay the bills to run it. Stefan GP's team principal, Zoran Stefanovic, is the owner of a Serbian engineering company called "AMCO" and, during negotiations to buy Toyota's outfit, AMCO evidenced their abilities with references to their provision of significant parts of military (German defence force's unmanned drone aircraft) and space (Ariane 5 rocket) technology.

However, the reality of AMCO is that they are a limited company founded in 2008 with a capital of 500 Euro - no, not 500 million, 500 - split 80:20 between Zoran and Vuk Stefanovic. They employ one person, and had a turnover of 3,315 Euro for a profit of 42.7 Euro in 2009. And, of course, have had no input whatsoever in unmanned drone aircraft or big honking space rockets.

Given how chummy Bernie is with Zoran, I wonder what Bernie would like to comment on this? :lol:

(Source)
 
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I'll start my own team up!
 
I thought it sounded fishy initially, especially those "military wind tunnels" and the "Serbian government funding" (since when has Serbia had money to squander like that?!).
Just as I thought, Toyota didn't care who Zoran was or if he was credible, they just wanted to make some quick cash from their spare parts.
 
Good call, Ardius.

But it's still surprising...did Toyota even research this guy? A lot of people not following common sense at the "pinnacle of motorsport". I guess that's why he wanted to pressure the FIA to accept them. Now it all makes sense.

I hope this pretty much guarantees Prodrive will get an entry next year...
 
My guess is that Toyota did a (very) little probing (probably just asking Zoran what his funding is) and just sold him the parts and design. No one else was interested, so its not like they could have demanded very much anyway.
I was surprised though that Toyota never released a press statement or an interview about it throughout the whole tale. That was my main reason for doubting how much backing from Toyota there really was. I mean, even if it was just a simple sale of parts, I would have thought the F1 journalists out there would have tried to interview John Howett or someone.
They were neither supporting Stefan or distancing themselves. I think it really sums up Toyota's problems really (the F1 team I mean). Never deciders, always debaters - Gascoyne's comments always stick in mind about that team.
Perhaps also an element of Japanese culture intervened again (and by that I mean, the very top heavy organisation of Japanese companies and their tendencey to require employees to ask the board on every single decision but also their sense of protection of their employees, like Honda with Brawn).

Alternatively, Toyota simply agreed to "pretend" to sell him the design and parts and organise the photos of the factory etc. Because all the pictures we saw were at the base in Cologne, with a re-painted chassis and Nakajima. Maybe Toyota were hanging on to see if Zoran would manage to find any proper sponsors or poor hapless pay drivers before handing over the rights to the car, etc. Also note that there appeared to be pressure on USF1 to merge with Stefan and/or Campos to bite the dust. This is probably a factor in Stefan's failed entry too. I doubt many people in F1 would be happy to see such ruthless tactics bring in a new team.
 
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Interesting that Koboyashi is in the Number 23 car... could it be the third time in a row that 23 wins the championship?!!?!? Go Kobo!!!

C.
 
Number 22 has won the championship the past 2 years...therefore, De La Rosa ftw! :p
 
They never were not sponsored by Marlboro, they just don't print the words on the car - hence the white bar code like images on the engine cover and rear wing.

The bar code was introduced initially when a few countries like Belgium refused to allow tobacco advertising, when it became series wide they just stuck with the bar code design - presumably because it was recognisable as the Marlboro brand.
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Ahhh... I see; thanks for the history lesson.
 
Although "they were never not sponsored by them" is not really true :lol: Marlboro has sponsored Ferrari since the mid-80s, I think it would be safe to say they have spent the most money sponsoring drivers and teams in F1 thoughout the years, there has been no other long-lasting sponsor. I can't think of many anyway.
 
Ardius
Although "they were never not sponsored by them" is not really true :lol: Marlboro has sponsored Ferrari since the mid-80s, I think it would be safe to say they have spent the most money sponsoring drivers and teams in F1 thoughout the years, there has been no other long-lasting sponsor. I can't think of many anyway.
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:lol: yeah, not like forever but, in the context of the point of discussion. Sponsorship is a curious topic in its-self, oldest sponsor still represented? Shell? Tag Heuer? Dunlop?
 
Oldest in the sense of the company's age or the time they have been in F1? Marlboro have been in the longest I think but I'm not sure who the oldest company to be involved is, probably a rubber company like Dunlop or maybe a watch company or something.
Marlboro (Philip Morris) - established 1854.
TAG Huer - 1860.
Might be a topic for another thread though..;)
 
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Oldest in the sense of displaying/paying for their respective logo on a formula 1 car. A quick search on wiki suggests that corporate sponsorship began in the late 1960's. It also suggests that Shell (oil company) are one of the original sponsors and quite probably one of the biggest contributors financially.
 
Ardius
Number 22 has won the championship the past 2 years...therefore, De La Rosa ftw! :p
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Let's see, Button had number 22 last year, who else are you talking about? Lewis had number 22 in 2008?


EDIT: I remember now, he did. McLaren lost al their WCC points and got the bottom numbers for 2008
 
The Stefan tale continues to entertain:

http://www.stefangp.com/denial.html

:lol: The URL says it all!

Zoran Stefanovic
05/03/2010
On behalf of the AMCO Corporation we would like to make the following statement:

The German newspapers Express published an article that is not founded on facts but on speculation and bad translation.

The AMCO Corporation never stated anywhere that "it cooperated with the German Federal Defense Forces (Bundeswehr) on a production of an unmanned aircraft". The correct information is that one of our engineers was involved in a construction of an engine for a German company, the buyer, which turned out to be for an unmanned aircraft. We never stated nor did we ever imply that we worked with Bundeswehr in any form or way. Furthermore we have no idea how we were brought in context with the other German companies with whom we had no contacts at all. Illustration about capabilities of our personnel in Serbia was misunderstood and maliciously used for sensationalist journalism. Such construction of facts can only be aimed to discredit us and all the others mentioned.

On the other hand, our people should be recognized for producing parts for the ARIANE V rocket, seven years ago by our company in Serbia. We are very proud of this fact.

The demanti have been published in the German media.

AMCO Corporation
PR department
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I honestly can't decide whether Zoran is a very clever and funny guy or if he's truly this simple-minded. He's been exposed yet he continues to attempt the charade.
 
PR department? Same bloke that cleans the loos and replaces the cans in the vending machine?
 
Well seeing as AMCO seems to consist of just Zoran and his brother, I guess so :lol:
 
Ardius
Number 22 has won the championship the past 2 years...therefore, De La Rosa ftw! :p
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Doh - I'm a stupid 🤬!! I was sure it was 23!!! Doh!!

C.
 
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