2010 Singapore Grand Prix

As much as I want Webber to win the title, I just don't think he can do it. I'm hoping Alonso can pull it off but it's highly unlikely. I would even prefer Vettel getting the title over Hamilton in all honesty. I have a guilty pleasure of hoping Hamilton never wins a title again so he can be remembered as a one hit wonder who had a fast car and nothing more :sly:
 
Dan360
Weather forecast for the race: Rain. That is the most I know, the source is from the F1 official website.
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If thats true then im betting on an 8 car finish like the races that minardi used to get points from.
 
I had a look at the weather and i only saw 2 small dots of rain. My guess for the race is Hamilton to win.
 
orimarc
Um...isn't the point of the WDC to see who's the better driver? As far as I know, Ferrari's decision may pay off at the end.
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Yes, the point of the WDC is that the best driver wins. However, if one driver needs his team to tell his team-mate to move over so that he can win, it stands to reason that he is not the best, since he could not get past the other guy. I'm questioning Alonso's ability to lap someone six seconds off the pace since Luca di Montezemolo was deeply critical of the new teams for allegedly holding Alonso up and costing him a place in Canada.

orimarc
Well, he could win it in 2011, you know...it's not like this is his last year.
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And I won't have a problem with it in 2011 - unless Ferrari pull some crap like team orders again.
 
Does anyone in the uk, know what the song being played was when they where talking about singapore?
 
It sounded almost like dub step to me.
 
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However, if one driver needs his team to tell his team-mate to move over so that he can win, it stands to reason that he is not the best, since he could not get past the other guy.
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So you'd have to agree that Schumacher was never the best (possibly save for 1994), Häkkinen wasn't the best because McLaren favoured him over Coutlhard or at least that's what is said, Alonso wasn't the best because the team was built around him, Räikkönen wasn't the best because Massa let him past on several occasions, Hamilton wasn't the best because Kovalainen let him past on several occasions (and he then won the WDC by one point, interesting).

Double standards or a lot of "wrong" world champions?
 
A champion becomes a champion by fighting on all fronts. Fighting his opponents outside the team, outdriving his team-mate, and out-politicking him within the team. Schumi had several WDCs because he used every trick in the book (and a lot of tricks that aren't in the book) and basically ensured his team was built around him... Alonso won two because he was the same way.

At the end of the day... the guy whose team-mate pulls over to let past is in a position to demand that because he's been more consistent all season than the other or because he's built up the political pull to get the team to issue the order in his favor.

Of course, I hate team orders... but what can you do? It's impossible to completely remove them from the sport.

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Alonso's engine problems may be the tipping point in his title aspirations... Ferrari has lost the Constructor's championship for sure at this point... they're likely to be putting every upgrade they've got towards Alonso's title push.

The problem Red Bull has is that their leading driver is their slower one (I know, I know, it's been debated, but Vettel is simply faster in terms of raw pace) and their quicker driver is just too unpredictable.

Avoiding any more DNFs, Lewis has a great chance of winning the championship. But at this point, the top five are so close that a DNF for any driver can spell the end of his title push.

Which means... Button will win it.

Anes
I have a guilty pleasure of hoping Hamilton never wins a title again so he can be remembered as a one hit wonder who had a fast car and nothing more :sly:
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That's not fair, Jenson is a great driver! Oh... you weren't talking about Brawn GP? Carry on...
 
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Oh, great, the race is about to start and my wireless connection defaults to GPRS... Gotta see if the connection is stable enough for live timing!

Now 3G is back. Whew.
 
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So you'd have to agree that Schumacher was never the best (possibly save for 1994), Häkkinen wasn't the best because McLaren favoured him over Coutlhard or at least that's what is said, Alonso wasn't the best because the team was built around him, Räikkönen wasn't the best because Massa let him past on several occasions, Hamilton wasn't the best because Kovalainen let him past on several occasions (and he then won the WDC by one point, interesting).

Double standards or a lot of "wrong" world champions?
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Alot of ppl seem to think Schumi would have won '94 regardless if Senna was or wasn't killed. He certainly was winning the mind games at the time.
 
Race prediction: Vettel will take out Alonso and himself in turn one and Hamilton wins comfortably ahead of Webber with Button a distant third.
 
Similar prediction from me, expect I think Vettel and Hamilton will come to blows, Alonso to win.
 
Where's the best place to watch this race online, as I'm not at home? Help?
 
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I really hope Alonso gets a puncture on the first lap. He cannot be allowed to score any more points this year. If he wins, the entire sport will be undermined because Ferrari bought a championship for $100,000.
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With all respect for fans such as interludes, I have to believe this attitude of great probity and rectitude is unrealistic. I've been following racing closely since 1961, and racing myself since 1968. Everyone involved in racing wants to win badly enough to push the rules hard. Guys like Roger Penske, he of the "unfair advantage", are the most successful and highly respected. All current F1 team managers are manipulators and advantage-seekers, and will not hestitate to institute team orders, even if in sub rosa fashion. The whole team orders things is as old as the hills, and will be shortly re-legitimized by the FIA.

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Be quick, its starting now
 
Ouch... bad luck for Liuzzi. Webber gambling on a tire stop on this long yellow... other front-runners not. That might be pivotal to the race.
 
Kobayashi not letting that pass by Webber go easy.
 
Dotini
With all respect for fans such as interludes, I have to believe this attitude of probity and rectitude is unrealistic. I've been following racing closely since 1961, and racing myself since 1968. Everyone one involved in racing wants to win badly enough to push the rules hard. Guys like Roger Penske, he of the "unfair advantage", are the most successful and highly respected. All current F1 team managers are manipulators and advantage-seekers, and will not hestitate to institute team orders, even if in sub rosa fashion. The whole team orders things is as old as the hills, and will be shortly re-legitimized by the FIA.

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Dotini
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ergh people always leave out Mclaren and their $100 million event.
 
I don't see Dotini mentioning any other F1 teams, either...

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Bad luck for Massa? Team warning him of high gearbox temps... twice in one weekend... :nervous:

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Webber's stop is increasingly looking like a good idea... he could jump up into the top three on the next round of pits, even if the hards aren't quite as good as the softs in terms of pace.

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Cheeky by Vettel: "Not pushing at all" and he's running faster than Alonso at the moment. :lol:
 
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Hulk and Massa took him, though. No overtaking my bum, there's lots of action going on down there...

Interesting on the radio... Ferrari are going to push on with the softs. Mathematically, they're clear of Webber as long as no safety car comes in. Webber might just get third... but the front-runners are still pulling away... Button is probably the only one in real danger from Webber.

I wonder if all that curb banging in sector two is going to hurt the Mclaren in the long run? Alonso is awesomely quick through that sector... and that's keeping him in front. Lewis is falling away from the top two... methinks he should focus more on conserving his car rather than trying to match lap-times...

EDIT: Everyone is focusing on Webber at the moment... but Hamilton is having issues of his own... he's falling back on pace compared to Alonso and Vettel, and even Button is going faster... and as i say that, McLaren warns him he needs another 3/10ths per lap...

EDIT2: That's put paid the race for Hamilton... the McLarens have used up their options. They have to pit now.
 
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niky
I don't see Dotini mentioning any other F1 teams, either...

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The subject is about Ferrari and their lack of morality but as always the biggest event (Read: Outright cheating) in a long time is never mentioned.
 
Hamilton pits, and could seriously use a safety car now... come on Button, you know what to do :p
 
Ah. Yes. The biggest one. What is funny is that hardly anyone ever mentions the fact that Renault were also caught cheating in the same season (and with the engineering files stored on their main servers, no less!) and yet suffered no penalty.

Still... Ferrari: break a rule, fix a race, $100,000. McLaren... cheat... $100 million. Renault... same cheat... given a break for "cooperating"... $0.

IMHO, the worst case of cheating in the past ten years is the Piquet crash...

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McLaren's stupid pit strategy has lost them the race with Webber. Hamilton and Button P7 and P8... should be P4 and P5 when the pits work out.
 
Touring Mars
Hamilton pits, and could seriously use a safety car now... come on Button, you know what to do :p
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You're close to being psychic... you know? Schumacher clobbers Kobayasi clobbers Senna. Ouch. :lol: Good thing they didn't have to use the Button option.
 
Fascinating race so far, this safety car might just give Hamilton a lifeline... Vettel has the pace to make it a royal battle for the win, but I can't see him getting past Alonso... Alonso is so much more able to handle the pressure at the front... would not bet against Anghammarad's prediction of Vettel collecting Alonso now.
 
Webber looks like he's stitched up a podium result, impressive passing of Kobayashi and Shumacer:tup:. Maybe If he had have gotten past Barrichello with the same amount of ease, and lapped on par with the front runner's, he might have been in shape for the win, but not too be. A great call by RB to pit him:tup: This will extend his lead in the DC to 11 points
 
^^ With Webber taking the win :lol:
 
MarkWebber
Webber looks like he's stitched up a podium result, impressive passing of Kobayashi and Shumacer:tup:. Maybe If he had have gotten past Barrichello with the same amount of ease, and lapped on par with the front runner's, he might have been in shape for the win, but not too be. A great call by RB to pit him:tup: This will extend his lead in the DC to 11 points
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For goodness sake man, quit posting to GTPlanet from your iPhone and concentrate on the bloody race! Great driving so far, though 👍 Keep it up :)

edit: :ouch: Damn... that could be it for Lewis. :(

I think Webber was in the wrong there. Lewis was infront and had the racing line... Webber was effectively coming down the inside and took Lewis out. Webber, you could be in trouble here.
 
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