2011 NASCAR Thread

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Yes Johnson finished 26 and is 50 points out. Go Blaney with a nice third. I was hoping Jeff Burton would get the win. Bayne should have stuck with Gordon, they would have had a good shot at the RCR cars.
 
Fire at the Furniture Row hauler. Everybody is ok.



Ford put out orders, saying they had to help Ford Chase drivers. Which is BS, another reason why I don't want Carl to win the championship.
 
I was watching Edwards' onboard at the end of the race on Race Buddy, and the last two laps went mostly as he planned it - he gained ~15 spots despite more than one very hairy moment.

Was anyone watching Johnson's view? Why wasn't he able to gain any positions at the end? 26th place and the resulting 50-point deficit in the championship are going to be almost impossible to overcome in four races with six drivers ahead of him in the standings. I think any of the top five (Edwards (-0), Kenseth (-14), Keselowski (-18), Stewart (-19), and Harvick (-26)) have a legitimate chance to win the championship, with Edwards reaffirming himself as the favorite.
 
Austin343
I was watching Edwards' onboard at the end of the race on Race Buddy, and the last two laps went mostly as he planned it - he gained ~15 spots despite more than one very hairy moment.

Was anyone watching Johnson's view? Why wasn't he able to gain any positions at the end? 26th place and the resulting 50-point deficit in the championship are going to be almost impossible to overcome in four races with six drivers ahead of him in the standings. I think any of the top five (Edwards (-0), Kenseth (-14), Keselowski (-18), Stewart (-19), and Harvick (-26)) have a legitimate chance to win the championship, with Edwards reaffirming himself as the favorite.
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Race Buddy freezes on my end after five minutes so I ditched it at the end. My guess is that the 48 got shuffled out to the outside on the last lap and fell to the back. Edwards gained his spots going on the inside.

Johnson's only salvation is that Martinsville is next and Edwards/Kenseth generally don't do that well there. He would need to win (likely) and need both of them to finish in the 30s (unlikely). I won't write him off simply because if I do, I'll jinx it. :lol:
 
Well damn, Johnson has done something I've never seen him do the last few years (That I remember): He survived both Talladega races. But after looking at his finishing position and points position, this might not necessarily be his year.
 
LancerEvo7
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It was, thanks for pointing that out, but I changed it to something relevant. Sorry I am not paying much attention to anything. I click on (or rather touched) what I thought was the correct thread for that. But it wasn't. Sorry.
 
It would have been really nice to see Burton win today, but what a stupid move by Bayne to stand Gordon up at the end, I know that he was only following orders but he cost himself a possible top 5 finish.
 
Wow, I hadn't seen a NASCAR Talladega race in years...that was just terrible. The 'pairing up' racing is just ridiculous. 👎
 
Spacegoat
It would have been really nice to see Burton win today, but what a stupid move by Bayne to stand Gordon up at the end, I know that he was only following orders but he cost himself a possible top 5 finish.
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I would think that potentiality losing your seat in the car would be a worse fate. Ford could have probably convinced Roush and the Wood brothers to put Stenhouse in that car for next season had Bayne pushed Gordon to a win after being given a direct order to not do so.
 
MustangRyan
I would think that potentiality losing your seat in the car would be a worse fate. Ford could have probably convinced Roush and the Wood brothers to put Stenhouse in that car for next season had Bayne pushed Gordon to a win after being given a direct order to not do so.
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Understandable, however if someone asks you to help them in that situation you just tell them no then. You don't tell them "OK" then just ditch them.

Jeff Gordon said it best on his Facebook this morning:

"Should have known that would happen with the #21. My bad for thinking different." -JG
 
I honestly believe Bayne had every intention to work with the 24, all the way up until his team told him he could not, right before the restart. He doesn't strike me as the type to intentionally deceive someone else.
 
While I understand everyone's dissappointment with Bayne, you have to consider a few things. What if he helped Gordon instead of Matt? Given how increasingly difficult it is to get a ride and find sponsorship, I can't imagine he'd easily get a ride. What if Bayne's Job Security was at stake with that order? Unlike Gordon who pretty much could drive forever if he wanted to until he started coming apart due to rust, Bayne probably wouldn't have many other options or choices. Put yourself in his shoes. Ask yourself what you would have done with that kind of pressure (assuming that was his situation). The sport is becoming more corporate driven and unfortunately this is what we will have to live with.
 
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You're missing the point that they made a deal with the #24 - his whole team - then duped them on the restart like they thought it was funny. That's what I have a problem with. Point is, if you're not planning on helping them anyway, just tell them no.
 
R1600Turbo
You're missing the point that they made a deal with the #24 - his whole team - then duped them on the restart like they thought it was funny. That's what I have a problem with. Point is, if you're not planning on helping them anyway, just tell them no.
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And again, what if Ford ordered them to change their plans at the last minute? I relized they did make a deal but again unlike Daytona, Ford has been strictly encouraging their teams to draft solely with Ford Teams and likely told the 21 team to instead pick up Kenseth before the restart.
 
From what I remember on that last restart, Bayne was working with Gordon. Then Kenseth (who may or may not have known about the 21/24 deal) came up behind to make it a 3 car draft, and the #24 in the lead (of the draft) got shoved to the side and left behind. The 17 continued to push the 21.
 
Adamgp
From what I remember on that last restart, Bayne was working with Gordon. Then Kenseth (who may or may not have known about the 21/24 deal) came up behind to make it a 3 car draft, and the #24 in the lead (of the draft) got shoved to the side and left behind. The 17 continued to push the 21.
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Bayne actually made a hard left out from behind Gordon.
 
Adamgp
From what I remember on that last restart, Bayne was working with Gordon. Then Kenseth (who may or may not have known about the 21/24 deal) came up behind to make it a 3 car draft, and the #24 in the lead (of the draft) got shoved to the side and left behind. The 17 continued to push the 21.
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Correct. In that scenario, one of them was guaranteed to be hung out to dry. Now whether the 17 intended to get behind the 21 all that time and whether the 21 would have ditched the 24 if another Chevy got behind the 21 is a matter of debate. Honestly, I don't really care because it doesn't change my opinion on how I think about Talladega racing today.

I don't like it. 👎
 
outlaw4rc
Correct. In that scenario, one of them was guaranteed to be hung out to dry. Now whether the 17 intended to get behind the 21 all that time and whether the 21 would have ditched the 24 if another Chevy got behind the 21 is a matter of debate. Honestly, I don't really care because it doesn't change my opinion on how I think about Talladega racing today.

I don't like it. 👎
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I don't like it either, it's stupid really, the idea of the bigger restrictor plate from what I read on nascar.com was suppose to fix this tandem style racing. Jr. was hopeful it'd go back to the old format where you'd have two or three trains of cars, and a single driver could pull out and use the side draft to slingshot from 3rd, 4th, or 5th all the way to first. Things that were common place when we saw Jr. race at Daytona or Dega with DEI. Maybe the fuel injected cars next year will be different.
 
R1600Turbo
A lot of the drivers that were hanging back in the first part of the race stayed in a long train for a while.
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I'm talking about the way it was before the new setups. If you go and look back you'll see what I mean. A single driver can no longer pull out and motor their way to first alone with the new tandem style.

The gaps between the pairs of cars don't look like trains to me. Also since I was watching the back of the pack -since that's where my driver chose to be to avoid trouble - I saw a lot of splitting up on long runs than trains of cars. Same with restarts, there would be trains but after a lap or a lap and a half they'd break up into their pairs and charge forward.
 
Another great quote from the Jeff Gordon Facebook:

""I just think it could have been handled better. If somebody is going to screw you, you'd like them to say it to your face you know? - JG
 

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