2012/2013 Premier League Season + FA & League Cup chat

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Agreed. I would argue that, with his last ~18 months, Bale has proved himself to be able to be mentioned with Giggs. He has been immense lately.

Edit: as an interesting aside to this, I was just 52 days old when Ryan Giggs made his league debut :crazy:
Not sure if that should make me feel really young or really old :lol:
 
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Some interesting choices here - and a lot of kids/red-teams fans picking United, Arsenal and Liverpool players of yore...

GK: Pavel Srnicek
LB: Stuart Pearce
D: Jaap Stam
D: Des Walker
RB: Dan Petrescu
LM: David Ginola
M: Chris Waddle
M: Ruud Gullit
RM: David Beckham
F: Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink
F: David Hirst

You'd watch that team. You know it.
 
GK: Schmeichel

LB: John Arne Riise
CB: Adams
CB: Desailly
RB: Petrescu

LM: Giggs
CM: Vieira
CM: Lampard
RM: Beckham

ST: Fowler
ST: Henry
 
GK: Cech

RB: Gary Neville
LB: Stuart Pierce
CB: Sammy Hyppia
CB: Jamie Carragher

RM: Freddie Ljungberg
CM: Steven Gerrard
CM: Roy Keane
LM: Robert Pires

ST: Denis Bergkamp
ST: Wayne Rooney
 
Famine
You'd watch that team. You know it.

Definitely, but most exciting =/= best. It's highly probable that it's a United/Arsenal affair. The only Liverpool player who comes close to a Best XI is Steve McManaman. But of course, it's all subjective.

If I was doing a 'favourite' XI as opposed to what I think is a 'best' XI, you know I'd have Nigel Martyn, Paolo di Canio, Benito Carbone and Des Walker in there without question.

Now, a worst Premiership XI, that would stoke the embers of discussion. To keep away players who came, did nothing and never played again, each player must have a minimum of 40 appearences; a middle ground between 1992/93-1994/95's 42 game season and 1995/96-present's 38 game season. The 40 appearences can be subs or starts, spread across as many or as few seasons as you like.

If you want to give your Worst XI a manager, they must have a minimum of 40 league games too, so no Christian Gross or Chris Hutchings.

In before Emile Heskey. I honestly think he was underrated and got far too much stick, haha. And in before "I'm a United fan, so here's Lampard in my midfield", and "I'm a Liverpool fan, so here's Gary Neville in my defence". There is no way you can justify Frank Lampard and Gary Neville as being worse football players than, say... Vinnie Jones or Frank Sinclair. We want god awful players who have no talent justifying a professional contract.
 
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If I was doing a 'favourite' XI as opposed to what I think is a 'best' XI, you know I'd have Nigel Martyn, Paolo di Canio, Benito Carbone and Des Walker in there without question.

/inb4Juninho

Now, a worst Premiership XI, that would stoke the embers of discussion. To keep away players who came, did nothing and never played again, each player must have a minimum of 40 appearences; a middle ground between 1992/93-1994/95's 42 game season and 1995/96-present's 38 game season. The 40 appearences can be subs or starts, spread across as many or as few seasons as you like.

/inb4Robinho.
 
Definitely, but most exciting =/= best. It's highly probable that it's a United/Arsenal affair. The only Liverpool player who comes close to a Best XI is Steve McManaman. But of course, it's all subjective.

If I was doing a 'favourite' XI as opposed to what I think is a 'best' XI, you know I'd have Nigel Martyn, Paolo di Canio, Benito Carbone and Des Walker in there without question.
I went for a complete team rather than a selection of individual best players in their position.

Objectively, a present-day player is better than one from even a decade ago. Except Rob Green. Training, tactics, coaching and fitness are all way more advanced now - someone like Greasyano Ronaldo does things two or three times each half that David Beckham did once a game in his prime. Beckham did things two or three times each half that Eric Cantona did once a game in his prime. Eric Cantona did things two or three times each half that George Best did so rarely you could watch them all in a fifteen minute VT sequence of his career highlights... You can watch players from Tranmere Rovers or Oldham Athletic finishing shots weekly that got Marco van Basten an award, such was its rarity.

Peter Schmeichel is - rightly - remembered as one of the greats. He was the, often unsung, backbone of Manchester United's first few Premiership titles, but Joe Hart, David de Gea, Pepe Reina and the Polish guy Arsenal have are superior in every department. Hell, Kasper Schmeichel is better in every department. And they manage similar stats despite having to face strikers who are better in every department too. Except Rob Green.

The best individual XI has to feature eleven players who are currently active (and probably in their mid-20s) because currently active players average a level that even the greatest from a decade since didn't match. It'd simply be a case of a 2008-2012 all stars team and then the only arguments will be which United, City, Chelsea and Arsenal players you include - with a rare mention for players they've targeted for transfer like Gareth Bale.

Yet as some national teams have discovered, it's often not the best way to play the eleven best individuals as a team, however attractive it seems.

So I've dropped most considerations of outright ability out of the window and gone for a team of eleven who could not only play together but support the shortcomings of their colleagues... Des Walker couldn't distribute worth crap, but he could lay it off to anyone else in his defence (or Srnicek) who could. Chris Waddle never tracked back even when he was player of the year - but Stam played high and Gullit had a work rate through the roof. Ginola and Beckham rarely tracked back either, but Petrescu and Pearce went up and down the line like Paris Hilton. David Hirst was one of the greatest natural strikers (and wholly complete footballers - both footed and pacey too) who ever walked the pitch - Alex Ferguson offered £5m for him in an era when £2.5m was pricey for a footballer and he still holds the record for the fastest ever strike in English football - and he was a freak knee injury away from us never having heard of Alan Shearer. Jimmy Floyd would simply be the perfect foil for him. Srnicek himself I've simply gone for because I can't remember any area he could be exploited - Schmeichel was a great shot stopper, penalty stopper, commanded the box well and could deal with crosses, but was rarely on his line in general play and prone to some erratic decisions under little pressure, for example.

And they'd finish the match together too. Only two of those players managed more than one straight red in their club career that I recall - both United players of course. And with three career penalty misses between them, they'd probably win a shootout. It's a team that, if put together in the era (1992-1996 for most of them - Stam and Beckham towards the '96 end, Hirst and Pearce towards the '92 end), would likely finish the season with "L0" and with silverware, particularly with the 4+1 subs I have in my head :D
 
I am still on my phone and in a relative period of inactivity, but I'll get back to you on that Famine; a good, long post. Nice to see some discussion in here for a change, rather than a glorified vidiprinter.

As for the rest of you, we've had best XIs, I want worst XIs! 40 game minimum, so no Stephan Guyvarc'h.
 
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Worst XI? Derby County.

Alternatively :D
GK Rob Green
LB Phil King
D Titus Bramble
D Anton Ferdinand
RB Paul Parker
LW Garry Flitcroft
M Winston Bogarde
M Joey Barton
RW Kieron Dyer
F John Fashanu
F Ade Akinbiyi
 
GK: Schmeichel

LB: Ashley Cole
CB: Gary Neville
CB: Le Saux
RB: Irwin

LW: Ronaldo
CM: Fàbregas
CM: Bryan Robson
RW: Giggs

ST: Cantona
ST: Shearer
 
Probably biased with my previous 11 so heres my alternative 11 with no united players.

GK David Seaman
RB Lauren( arsenal)
CB Jamie Caragher
CB Sol Cambell
LB Ashley Cole

LW Robert Pires
CM Patrick Viera
CM Steven Gerrad
RW Freddie Jungberg

CF Alan Shearer
CF les Ferdinand
 
GK Schmeichel

LB Cole
CB Ferdinand
CB Terry
RB G.Neville

LM Giggs
CM Keane
CM Lampard
RM Ronaldo

STK Henry
STK Van Nistelrooy

:)
 
Worst XI - (post 2000)

Must ... resist ... urge ... to ... post ...Torres and Rooney.

GK - Gomes

DL - Ben Thatcher
DC - Danny ****tu (so bad he's censored lolololololol)
DC - Titus Bramble
DR - Alan Hutton (Such a forgettable position)

MC - Steve Sidwell
MC - Lucas Leiva
MC - Nigel Quashie

FC - Mido
FC - Fernando Morientis
FC - Darius Vassell

Manager:Alex McCleish
 
If anyone is going to create a team with the worst players, then more people need to look at Ali Dia in my view. However Ali Dia only played one game for Southampton in the Premier League.
 
If anyone is going to create a team with the worst players, then more people need to look at Ali Dia in my view. However Ali Dia only played one game for Southampton in the Premier League.

40 game minimum, otherwise Djemba-Djemba and Luque and other catastrophes would be included.
 
What about an eleven consisting of the best players NEVER to win the league?!

Heres mine..

GK Reina

LB Riise
CB Carragher
CB Hyypia
RB Hibbert...(couldnt think of anyone else!)

LM Bale
CM Modric
CM Fabregas
RM Gerrard

STK Fowler
STK Owen
 
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What about an eleven consisting of the best players NEVER to win the league?!

STK Shearer
Except that one he won in 1995.
 
What about an eleven consisting of the best players NEVER to win the league?!

Heres mine..

GK Reina

LB Riise
CB Carragher
CB Hyypia
RB Hibbert...(couldnt think of anyone else!)

LM Bale
CM Modric
CM Fabregas
RM Gerrard

STK Fowler
STK Owen

So, Liverpool? :lol:
 
Some more candidates for Worst XI

GK - Taibi (4 games only, but an honourable mention)

CD - Jean Alain Boumsong
CD - Cygan

LM - Bebe
CM - Denilson
RM - Steven Marlet

CF - Rebrov
CF - Francis Jeffers
CF - Mutu
 
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Would be a pretty bad XI with only VIII players...
 
Would be a pretty bad XI with only VIII players...

Yea, the defenders I had in mind have already been mentioned although I just added a CM :D.

Alternatively, this XI is so bad its actually might as well be a VIII.
 
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What about an eleven consisting of the best players NEVER to win the league?!

Heres mine..

GK Reina

LB Riise
CB Carragher
CB Hyypia
RB Hibbert...(couldnt think of anyone else!)

LM Bale
CM Modric
CM Fabregas
RM Gerrard

STK Fowler
STK Owen

Didn't Owen win the league with United?
 
Joining in late on this so... my Best XI from the past 2 years.

GK - Cech

RB - Sagna
CB - Kompany
CB - Coloccini (So underrated IMO)
LB - Ashley Cole

CDM - Tiote
RM - Mata (WHEN HBA is having a good day, he should be in this spot.)
LM - Bale
CAM - Fellaini

ST- RVP
ST - (Last year Aguero, this year Suarez)

Feel free to argue over it lol
 
Dont know if you guys have heard the big breaking news!

Bayern Munich have confirmed that Pep Guardiola will become theyre new manager in July on a three year contract!!!

..Bad news if youre a Chelsea fan!!
 
I thought he was going to England? :confused:
 
I thought he was going to England? :confused:

I thought so too..i think he said he'd fancy a job in england yesterday..(or was it this morning?)...anyway, its a big surprise!
 
Just seen that on BBC Sport website. Also, Loic Remy has signed for QPR for an undisclosed fee believed to be £8 Million
 
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