2012 Australian Grand Prix

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Small_Fryz
What the 🤬 is these young talent time wankers doing on air?
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The Grand Prix is a social event. For these people, it's more important to be seen at the race than it is to actually see the race.

Froudeybrand
Well this weekend is making me wild I changed the chanel to speed week lol
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How long have you been following Formula 1? This is not unusual; the Australian Grand Prix coverage generally alternates between filler and WebberWatch. At least during the season we only have to put up with the hype for Webber and Ricciardo.
 
XRFalcon
This cross-promotion is terrible. The organisers never should have allowed Ten/One to have a set in the paddock.

Take note all you people complaining about Sky. Ten treat us like idots
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Agreed they had a segment with two "celebs" apparently no idea who the hell they are racing slot cars.
 
prisonermonkeys
The Grand Prix is a social event. For these people, it's more important to be seen at the race than it is to actually see the race.

How long have you been following Formula 1? This is not unusual; the Australian Grand Prix coverage generally alternates between filler and WebberWatch. At least during the season we only have to put up with the hype for Webber and Ricciardo.
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Honestly i stopped enthuasticailly after mika hakinenen retired and stopped watching it all together around 02 until this year as Kimi is back
 
Off to bed now. Going to be a rough morning :lol:
 
prisonermonkeys
I think it's more a case of Alonso already having gotten the full potential out of the car. He doesn't do things by half-measures. He's gotten the ull potential out of it, and it's nowhere near enough.
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But the fact that Alonso spun, and both Alonso and Massa were constantly fighting the car, says that the car is just too hard to drive for them to get the full speed out of it right now, and that they just need the time to learn the car, and for Ferrari to sort it out for them.
 
Well, Ten's dumbed-down coverage is only a recent thing by comparison. I still have no idea why Ten lets Rust/Barid/Beattie/McConville commentate. On the one hand, Sky has a world-class line-up with people like Brundle and Hill who provide actual insight, and Ted Kravitz, who knows everyone in the paddock and can get information faster than anyone else. On the other hand, Ten's coverage is made up of a) Rust, a guy who is only capable of talking about trivial nonsense and hyping the Australian drivers up, b) McConville, a failed V8 Supercar driver who seems to resent Formula 1 drivers because he's not in Formula 1, c) Beattie, an expert analyst who raced motorcycles, which is about as far away from open-wheel racing as you can get, and d) Barid, a Carrera Cup driver whose only function is to serve as a punching bag for the other commentators. Their insight is limited to whatever is happening on-screen at times, and anyone who has been following the sport for more than fifteen minutes knows that their analysis is very wrong. They have a tendency to say something, and then be immediately disproven by the actual race commentators (ie claiming that no-one went out in the first forty minutes of FP1 because the track was wet when the drivers don't actually go out because they're doing setup work).

But it's a shame you missed 2010. That was a pheomenal season.

Peter.
But the fact that Alonso spun, and both Alonso and Massa were constantly fighting the car, says that the car is just too hard to drive for them to get the full speed out of it right now, and that they just need the time to learn the car, and for Ferrari to sort it out for them.
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But they are getting "the full speed" out of the car. They're driving at the point where they can get the best possible lap times out of it. Any faster, and the car becomes too difficult to control. The car isn't going to get any better until Ferrari start doing some more development work on it and try to sort out the issues with the car.

Alonso and Massa have had plenty of time to learn the car. What do you think they were doing during winter testing? What do you think they were doing in Free Practice?
 
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Weather conditions are overcast and windy, for the Supercar race at least...
 
I'm watching a sky sports stream off EPLsite for qualifying reply now and the race later if its still working, For anyone having problems finding a place to watch it
 
prisonermonkeys
Well, Ten's dumbed-down coverage is only a recent thing by comparison. I still have no idea why Ten lets Rust/Barid/Beattie/McConville commentate. On the one hand, Sky has a world-class line-up with people like Brundle and Hill who provide actual insight, and Ted Kravitz, who knows everyone in the paddock and can get information faster than anyone else. On the other hand, Ten's coverage is made up of a) Rust, a guy who is only capable of talking about trivial nonsense and hyping the Australian drivers up, b) McConville, a failed V8 Supercar driver who seems to resent Formula 1 drivers because he's not in Formula 1, c) Beattie, an expert analyst who raced motorcycles, which is about as far away from open-wheel racing as you can get, and d) Barid, a Carrera Cup driver whose only function is to serve as a punching bag for the other commentators. Their insight is limited to whatever is happening on-screen at times, and anyone who has been following the sport for more than fifteen minutes knows that their analysis is very wrong. They have a tendency to say something, and then be immediately disproven by the actual race commentators (ie claiming that no-one went out in the first forty minutes of FP1 because the track was wet when the drivers don't actually go out because they're doing setup work).
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I'll be the first to admit that in the past I have not always agreed with you, but right now sir :cheers: *tips hat*

Where is Neil Crompton? He was actually pretty good for our standards.
 
prisonermonkeys
Alonso and Massa have had plenty of time to learn the car. What do you think they were doing during winter testing? What do you think they were doing in Free Practice?
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I've read a few comments like that, where people seem to think the drivers are in some learning phase at the moment. Maybe during the race, but they should be prepared by now.
 
prisonermonkeys
Alonso and Massa have had plenty of time to learn the car. What do you think they were doing during winter testing? What do you think they were doing in Free Practice?
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Unless you have the inside scoop on how their feedback went during testing, this is a baseless statement to make, especially considering the test tracks were a) in cool conditions and b) on smooth tracks, not a bumpy street one like Melbourne.
 
Sach
I've read a few comments like that, where people seem to think the drivers are in some learning phase at the moment.
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Every Grand Prix does feature some element of learning. Changes to the circuit can prompt a driver to change his braking points and cornering speeds, but the only substantial change at Albert Park is the use of thicker, spongier astroturf on the outside of corners to stop the drivers from using it to set quicker lap times. And going by Friday practice, both Alonso and Massa were clearly experimenting with DRS - they had to wait a moment longer than they did in 2011 to open it up, particularly coming out of the final corner. However, Jenson Button reckons that a driver can come to a brand-new circuit and learn it within five laps, so whatever changes have been made to Albert Park, and whatever adjustments the driver has to make to his braking points and DRS timings and so on, will not be so significant that Ferrari are still learning what their car is capable of in the middle of Q2. If they are, then something has clearly gone horribly wrong. So this is obviously a case of Ferrari fans downplaying the team's poor qualifying result.

If you actually look at Alonso's lap times, then they were all generally around the same mark. His Q2 time was the fastest time that he set all weekend, but if he had set it in Q3, he still would have lined up tenth. No doubt there is probably a little bit more to come from Ferrari in terms of single-lap pace because they never had the oppotunity to do a Q3 lap running on fumes and with mint-condition tyres. But even if they did, I still think he would have struggled to beat Rosberg's time - the F2012 seems to handle best with a bit of weight in it, probably because that settles the back end a little. And that's never a good thing. Any extra turn of speed is probably only going to yield half a second at best.

Ferrari are, at best, fifth on the road. And I don't think their problems are going to be easily fixed.
 
Just watched qualifying, McLaren look even faster than the late stages of last year, brilliantly fast, the only way I can see them beaten is if Grosjean gets a lightning start, in the Lotus, that's probably the best car do be in for a lightning start after last year. Mercedes looking competitive for wins for the first time since they came back, Vettel will have a tough job in front of Rosberg unless he can get away from him in the first couple of laps, as that DRS will be so fast and tough to defend, especially as the Red Bull isn't looking to great in the turns. People are saying this is a perfect chance for Vettel to prove he can overtake, honestly, I can't see that happening as the others are just to fast, well, he could get Webber and Grosjean at some stage, but I won't be judging his overtaking skills after today's race as he's got a tough job.

The best thing about the quali is, apart from at the bottom, the speed of the grid has really closed up to 2009 season levels, might have some unusual pole sitters this year, and Rosberg will probably get at least a pole in Malaysia or China, my prediction.;)
 
It appears that the Ferrari has developed something of a nickname: Clifford.

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Have my eyes deceived me, or has Lotus pulled a Brawn on us?

And Williams have successfully managed to turn themselves around, despite the so-called poor driver lineup of pay drivers. Great job for Maldonado, and a solid job from Senna. Considering that their tyre wear is supposedly low, they could very well score more points tomorrow than they did all of last year. Or am I just being a bit too optimistic?
 
niky
An F1 car has the drag coefficient of a brick. One extra bump will not make it that much less streamlined. And if you do it rught, that bump can be used to shape the air going over the driver and up into the intake over his head. And then there are the strategies of shaping the air at the bump itself, like on the Red Bull and the Mercedes.

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Then again... it's probably all down to aesthetics. Prettiest car wins. This may be McLaren's year to shine. :D
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Yes indeed, just look at Romain but i think what help the top team with flat-nose car, Merc is that rear-wing loophole and the mailbox for the RBR.

But yeah, it's just my assumption. :p
 
Any idea if I can stream the race?
If so, where do I go?

Cheers
 
SPEED is doing a 30 minute season preview currently.

After that it's the normal race coverage beginning with the 30 minute pre-race show.
 
So SPEED has just shown one of the most epic pre-race intros I've ever seen. :dopey:
 
speed157
So SPEED has just shown one of the most epic pre-race intros I've ever seen. :dopey:
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Compare that with the hopeless hyping up of the announcement that Channel Ten will have live races from April (even though it has always been live on sub-channel One and about 80% of Australia has digital TV, which makes the announcement kinda pointless) :yuck:
 
So..er..Sky paid for Brundle to get his first Ferrari test? I'm fast reaching the decision of getting Sky after seeing how much money they are throwing at this...lord knows what they've spent just on the pieces for this weekend - colour me impressed with the access to the Force India launch!
 
With the amount of adverts they cram in, it doesn't surprise me Sky have money to throw at this. But it seems Sky is more focused on quantity over quality.
 
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