2012 Bahrain Grand Prix

Discussion in 'Motorsport' started by prisonermonkeys, Apr 17, 2012.

  1. niky

    niky Moderator

    Messages:
    23,800
    Location:
    Philippines
    I believe it's because Hamilton didn't cut a corner. He overtook off-line on a straight, so he didn't cut any distance at all.

    Rosberg's moves were aggressive, but Hammy was completely behind him... And if the stewards say Alonso was, too, then there's no foul. You don't have to leave space for a car that isn't there yet, especially if you start moving before the car gets there. The driver behind has the "last chance to avoid".

    Really naughty, though.
     
  2. TopGearFTW

    TopGearFTW

    Messages:
    675
    Location:
    England
    I get the horrible feeling McLaren are gonna re-create 2007 and completely throw everything away.

    Just one. JUST ONCE. Can they please get everything together? They have had the drivers for three years now, they finally have the car. Please, for my sanity, win it this year.

    >_>
     
  3. tribolik

    tribolik

    Messages:
    3,195
    OK I asked because in GT1 and GT3 Ive seen alot of races where the drivers get warnings and penalties for inflicting track limits (Im not sure this is the right expression maybe its track limit infringement) not respecting track limits and some times it happens on straights (especially on race starts - main straight) when trying to overtaking
     
    Last edited: Apr 23, 2012
  4. ROAD_DOGG33J

    ROAD_DOGG33J Premium

    Messages:
    9,372
    Location:
    United States
    I think Rosberg's connection was lagging and he was never really that close to either of them.

    Me three.



    Hopefully Vettel doesn't win another race again this season.
     
  5. corporatesteve

    corporatesteve

    Messages:
    289
    The iceman cometh....:bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

    /repost
    [​IMG]
     
  6. tribolik

    tribolik

    Messages:
    3,195
    That looks like Michael J Fox... not Kimi
     
  7. Will27

    Will27

    Messages:
    321
    Location:
    New Zealand
    Just reading the post race press conference:

    3 cars in the top 5 well done Renau..

    Code:
    [SIZE="2"]4th 	Mark Webber 	Red Bull Racing-Renault 	57 	+38.7 secs[/SIZE]
    Oh.:lol:
     
  8. gorsad

    gorsad

    Messages:
    1,613
    Location:
    India
    I know right, in every grand price in 2012 I've looked desperately at the timing sheets to make sure McLaren are still on top.
     
  9. Seismica

    Seismica Premium

    Messages:
    4,346
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    You never have to leave one car width of space. If you think about it, the racing line is at the edge of the track on the entry to the corner. If they have to leave a car's width they would have to stay off the racing line on entry; you can't differentiate one edge of the track from the other as the track limits are defined by the white lines. A driver is well within the rules to use all of the track available to him.

    If a car is alongside before the leading car moves to defend, it's a different story. Alonso mentioned something about not being here if the track boundary was a wall instead of a run-off. Obviously the guy doesn't know that you can turn the wheel, or lift out of the throttle to avoid a collision; he was fully behind Rosberg when Nico proceeded to the edge of the track.
     
  10. Bram Turismo

    Bram Turismo Premium

    Messages:
    10,678
    Location:
    Belgium
    I have to admit I had never expected Kimi to be on this kind of form after how his attitude was in 2009. This is a reborn Iceman Kimi. Just utterly fantastic to see him up there once more :tup:
     
  11. gorsad

    gorsad

    Messages:
    1,613
    Location:
    India
    My mind was blown. :tup:
     
  12. JosVerstappen

    JosVerstappen

    Messages:
    495
    Lolled hard at schumi and rosberg, dont recognize gollum thouh, should be bernie right? :lol:
     
  13. GTPorsche

    GTPorsche

    Messages:
    21,169
    Gollum is Petrov.
     
  14. Centura

    Centura Premium

    Messages:
    1,642
    I think you misunderstood me, but that's my fault for not making it clearer. I was commenting on the 'second move' part.

    It's completely fine, but you have to leave at least one car width of space between yourself and the track limit when you return to the outside to try and get a better entry for the corner. This rule was written because Schumacher didn't leave enough space (less than one car width of space) for Hamilton in Monza '11 when he returned to the outside to take the corner.
     
    Last edited: Apr 23, 2012
  15. CarolinaBlue704

    CarolinaBlue704

    Messages:
    311
    Location:
    United States
    Rosberg & Webber... :lol:
     
  16. OK8

    OK8

    Messages:
    1,184
    Location:
    Finland
    Re-watching the race today I must say it's maybe the best f1 race I've ever watched. So much action on the first laps and of course a brilliant race from the eyes of a Räikkönen fan. I never would've imagined so many nice overtakes on this track.

    I was also glad to see Di Resta finishing in a respectable spot with a risky strategy.
     
  17. csmeteora9

    csmeteora9 (Banned)

    Messages:
    155
    Monza 2011 was also different in some respects. In that race Schumacher regained the racing line before the corner on a number of occasions, to keep Hamilton behind; while Rosberg didn't do that in Bahrain. And by the time Rosberg made the second move Hamilton was marginally in front. Also Rosberg left enough space for Hamilton when it came to the corner.
     
    Last edited: Apr 24, 2012
  18. Centura

    Centura Premium

    Messages:
    1,642
    Again, I was mainly commenting about the 'second move' part. It's allowed to move a second time.
     
  19. csmeteora9

    csmeteora9 (Banned)

    Messages:
    155
    I was trying to add more to your point which I agreed with; although I'll admit it doesn't read like that. Should have read it back before I posted. :ouch: Lesson learnt.

    Edit:- Fixed my previous post. :)
     
  20. Seismica

    Seismica Premium

    Messages:
    4,346
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    Ah right, I understand what you mean now :tup: they did change that rule for this year. The initial move was ok though, but you are correct, the move back onto the racing line for the corner was against that particular rule.

    In terms of that rule though, i'm in the 'completely unworkable and unenforceable rule' camp, because the inside line always crosses the racing line at some point and the line has to change when a corner comes along, so you can't really define what is allowed and what is not consistently.
     
  21. RTSolvalou

    RTSolvalou (Banned)

    Messages:
    1,188
    Told you the Lotus was good.
     
  22. junkhead86

    junkhead86

    Messages:
    22
    Those blasted redbulls are up front again:grumpy:
    Bad luck for my fav team Mclaren:( ,and I was hoping for a better result from Sauber.
    But a great drive from Lotus and Di'resta, and it was great seeing Kimi challenging Vettle. I hope to see more of that in future races:tup:
     
  23. RTSolvalou

    RTSolvalou (Banned)

    Messages:
    1,188
    He would've won but he suffered from the same problems Petrov had (and left the team because of), getting pitted at the wrong time and/or being put on the wrong tires. Won't be the last time. Raikkonen must drive fast enough to overcome a few people in the pits getting it wrong.
     
  24. RX-7_FD3S

    RX-7_FD3S

    Messages:
    2,719
    Location:
    Switzerland
    Petrov left lotus because he was the 3rd drivers, not because of pitting/wrong tyres.

    Raikkonen wasnt on the same strategy as anyone else and if he lost it's not because of the team or the stops, it actually went perfectly on that side believe it or not. He lost because he couldnt overtake some people fast enough, he admit it himself. He had a very risky strategy, saving tyres during qualif to go faster during the race, it works pretty good but to win he needed some luck on overtake which he didnt had.
     
  25. daan

    daan Moderator

    Messages:
    32,965
    Location:
    Scotland
    You seem to have forgotten that this is the same team that got 2 World Championships with Alonso. They know what they are doing.

    And Petrov "left," or was removed, because he critisied the team and they signed 2 other, probably better, drivers. In giving that interview he essentially ripped up his own contract.
     
  26. Hun200kmh

    Hun200kmh

    Messages:
    6,460
    Location:
    Portugal
    ... and 2 more with Schumacher, although I'm not sure anyone's left from that era.
     
  27. daan

    daan Moderator

    Messages:
    32,965
    Location:
    Scotland
    I didn't mention then as a core of the important guys left for Ferrari when Schumacher went there.
     
  28. Centura

    Centura Premium

    Messages:
    1,642
    He did? I thought he personally chose to leave because he didn't want to be replaced by Kubica if he came back.
     
  29. JBanton

    JBanton

    Messages:
    2,116
    Location:
    England
    Though I'm a McLaren fan, I have to say if those Lotus-Renault cars prove to be too much for Red-Bull Renault, I'd be happy to see then win.
     
  30. gorsad

    gorsad

    Messages:
    1,613
    Location:
    India
    It'd be nice to see a black and gold car at the front. Purely livery wise though, I prefer the West Mclaren livery.