2012 European Grand Prix

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FranciscoJR
Racing rules. My friend racing is racing and that was a dirty move from Hamilton. Maldonado raced him hard to get the position he did nothing wrong. This is racing at its best. Senna and Prost that was racing hard at the limits. Now playing dirty tryng to defend your position is just wrong. Like i said it before, he deserved it.
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Stewards result by 5PM, but noone agrees with you here and we are all hardcore F1 fans...
 
F1 fan
Don't make assumptions.
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Yes, boss.


FranciscoJR
Racing rules. My friend racing is racing and that was a dirty move from Hamilton. Maldonado raced him hard to get the position he did nothing wrong. This is racing at its best. Senna and Prost that was racing hard at the limits. Now playing dirty tryng to defend your position is just wrong. Like i said it before, he deserved it.
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What was dirty then?
 
FranciscoJR
Racing rules. My friend racing is racing and that was a dirty move from Hamilton. Maldonado raced him hard to get the position he did nothing wrong. This is racing at its best. Senna and Prost that was racing hard at the limits. Now playing dirty tryng to defend your position is just wrong. Like i said it before, he deserved it.
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Do you actually have a clue of what you're talking about? :odd:
 
FranciscoJR
Racing rules. My friend racing is racing and that was a dirty move from Hamilton. Maldonado raced him hard to get the position he did nothing wrong. This is racing at its best. Senna and Prost that was racing hard at the limits. Now playing dirty tryng to defend your position is just wrong. Like i said it before, he deserved it.
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That just shows how much yo understand the sport or even know how senna got his first championship win racing Prost hard with a clean move :lol:
 
FranciscoJR
Sory Biffy cant agree with u. Both drivers are at fault but lewis pulled another one again pushing him out of the track went Maldonado was already side by side and the folowing corner was going to be tricky again but Maldonado was going to have the preference and after that a long straight away but no he didnt leave him no space again. He deserved what he got.
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Is your friend Pastor Maldonado?
 
FranciscoJR
Racing rules. My friend racing is racing and that was a dirty move from Hamilton. Maldonado raced him hard to get the position he did nothing wrong. This is racing at its best. Senna and Prost that was racing hard at the limits. Now playing dirty tryng to defend your position is just wrong. Like i said it before, he deserved it.
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I would give up if I were you because you aren't making any sense.
 
At 1ness
Again.. works both ways.

If Hamilton is in a position at the end of the year, that the points he ended up getting for 4th instead of 3rd, loses him the championship, how much of a cretin will he look for not holding the guy off for 1 more lap?
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Lewis didn't score. The points he's lost towards the championship this year are now actual ones, rather than virtual ones for 3rd/4th.

What would really have been the better decision to make? Lose a possible 3 points, or losing an actual 15?

Those sort of judgements are vital in F1, and at this race, Lewis made the wrong judgement by defending his position.

And yes, it's only right that Maldonado be penalised, as he was the man at fault for the actual incident.
 
tribolik
The common sence is to defend well if you are ahead especialy in the last lap and to try to overtake well when you are behind... Lewis defended well, Maldonado didnt overtake well... one is fighting for the championship the other is just fighting period... one shows a bit more common sence than the other IMO.



Thats something we will never know... will we? thanks to Maldonado... but you are right about one thing there is no argument to be made it was Maldonado that cause the incident and should get a penalty... he had all 4 wheels off the track and another car inside the track that he decided to run into....
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To anyone following the race closely with even a basic understanding of how these tyres work, then yes we know for certain he wouldn't have held on. His penultimate lap was 5.3s slower than his fastest, in fact it was his slowest lap of the race.
 
Hamilton pushing the driver away from the track leaving him no space when he could have easily drove side by side. If the stewards decide to award Hamilton again its just non sense. Thats why formula 1 is going down the hill. They always award the best drivers and Hamilton always gets away.
 
In other news, great drive by Alonso, good drives from Kimi, Schumi and Webber. The Finger was unlucky, same as Grosjean.


FranciscoJR
Hamilton pushing the driver away from the track leaving him no space when he could have easily drove side by side. If the stewards decide to award Hamilton again its just non sense. Thats why formula 1 is going down the hill. They always award the best drivers and Hamilton always gets away.
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Are you here all week?
 
homeforsummer
Lewis didn't score. The points he's lost towards the championship this year are now actual ones, rather than virtual ones for 3rd/4th.

What would really have been the better decision to make? Lose a possible 3 points, or losing an actual 15?
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As with F1 Fan, I agree. The thing is, no driver should have to contemplate being crashed out by another driver, and therefore withhold their driving to an extent. If you can't trust a driver to drive responsibly (or fairly) at this level of motorsport, then ultimately they shouldn't be racing.
 
What a great race that was!:)

My opinion of the maldonado-hamilton incident is this..maldonado should have let hamilton through, as he was off the track, and then he could have passed hamilton on the last lap as hamilton barely any grip from his rear tyers!, it was completly maldonado's fault!
 
Shaggy Alonso
To anyone following the race closely with even a basic understanding of how these tyres work, then yes we know for certain he wouldn't have held on. His penultimate lap was 5.3s slower than his fastest, in fact it was his slowest lap of the race.
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You can assume but you dont know for certain... alot could happen... Maldonado could have had a spin like he did in Melbourne for example... we will never know thats the fact.
 
MUSC4EVER
What a great race that was!:)

My opinion of the maldonado-hamilton incident is this..maldonado should have let hamilton through, as he was off the track, and then he could have passed hamilton on the last lap as hamilton barely any grip from his rear tyers!, it was completly maldonado's fault!
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See guys, it's not that complicated is it?
 
Shaggy Alonso
The whole point is that it was impossible for him to hang onto 3rd place anyway, so why defend? Beyond some romantic sentiment about 'never giving up', there is no argument to be made.
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Pure assumption on your part.

How do you know he couldn't have hung on to 3rd before Maldonado did what he did ?

The way people are going on, is like it's Maldonado's god given right to crash into Hamilton and should be expected.
 
FranciscoJR
Hamilton pushing the driver away from the track leaving him no space when he could have easily drove side by side. If the stewards decide to award Hamilton again its just non sense. Thats why formula 1 is going down the hill. They always award the best drivers and Hamilton always gets away.
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Stop posting complete rubbish. 👎
 
Biffy
As with F1 Fan, I agree. The thing is, no driver should have to contemplate being crashed out by another driver, and therefore withhold their driving to an extent. If you can't trust a driver to drive responsibly (or fairly) at this level of motorsport, then ultimately they shouldn't be racing.
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Agreed. You have to have a certain trust in other drivers and can't always assume they'll be suicidal maniacs, but making a decision to defend/concede should be done on a case-by-case basis. In this incident, Ham made the wrong decision.
 
FranciscoJR
Hamilton pushing the driver away from the track leaving him no space when he could have easily drove side by side. If the stewards decide to award Hamilton again its just non sense. Thats why formula 1 is going down the hill. They always award the best drivers and Hamilton always gets away.
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Did you just completely blank out last season? Hamilton got more than his fair share of punishment for some rather stupid moves.

You have absolutely no understanding of how the rules work. I'd advise you start reading up on them before you say something as laughable as what you just wrote.
 
tribolik
You can assume but you dont know for certain... alot could happen... Maldonado could have had a spin like he did in Melbourne for example... we will never know thats the fact.
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But that's like banking on a lottery win. Under these circumstances you have to play the percentages, unless he truly had nothing to lose. As it turns out Hamilton lost out big time.
 
At 1ness
Pure assumption on your part.

How do you know he couldn't have hung on to 3rd before Maldonado did what he did ?

The way people are going on, is like it's Maldonado's god given right to crash into Hamilton and should be expected.
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Because it was blatantly obvious? Do some things so basic really need explaining? When you're 5.3 seconds off the pace and getting slower then yes it is safe to assume you are not going to be able to defend your position from cars with grip still in their tyres.
 
I'd say Hamilton was an idiot. When I 1st saw the footage, in real time, I swore at Hamilton out loud, and my dad jumped up and called Hamilton an idiot, purely because I thought it was his fault, and I am a huge Ham Fan.
 
dhandes
I wonder what the situation would be if the roles were reversed?
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Those of us with eyes would be castigating Hamilton for taking another car out.

Fanboys on the other hand will always say their guy was in the right.
 
dhandes
Yes, boss.
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Well as I'm essentially arguing the same point as HFS. I wondered why you only take issue with what I say. But then again, he's your buddy, and I obviously hate Hamilton enough to place all the blame on him. At least, that's what you'd think by reading your post.
 
You guys have your opinions and i have mine. I think that by looking closely u will clearly see that both drivers are side by side and hamilton slowly pushing him away from the track vecause he knows that following turn will come and Maldonado will take the position away from him so what he did and he does this alot, throws the car into him to defend and he got that, kiss the wall. He did to massa and other drivers and he continues to do it. Finally a driver stepped up and put a no more into this. I like Hamilton a lot but he keeps driving dirty to defend and this time it didnt go his way.
 
F1 fan
Well as I'm essentially arguing the same point as HFS. I wondered why you only take issue with what I say. But then again, he's your buddy, and I obviously hate Hamilton enough to place all the blame on him. At least, that's what you'd think by reading your post.
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Well you have made it obvious that you do hate Hamilton before today.
 
DaxCobra
I'd say Hamilton was an idiot. When I 1st saw the footage, in real time, I swore at Hamilton out loud, and my dad jumped up and called Hamilton an idiot, purely because I thought it was his fault, and I am a huge Ham Fan.
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Hey, you stole my post! :)

I was exactly the same (only my dad wasn't in the room). Karma I guess for me jumping around the room when Vettel DNF'd. As it turns out it wasn't Maldonado or Hamilton's fault for any of this, it was mine! :indiff:
 

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