2013 Formula 1 Korean Grand Prix

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JGreens
To see who wins the race? I found my enjoyment for the win was over on Saturday, again.



Which I alone, correctly called back in Monaco. And people thought I was mad...:lol:



Because somehow, I still cling to hope. :confused:
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I don't know why you have a grudge against Vettel. Sure, he may make the races boring. Sure, he may have defied team orders and passed Webber. But does that make him any less of a driver? No. Vettel has the qualities of a true World Champion, he knows the car, he's competitive and he is considerate for the other drivers. Just because Michael Schumacher won 5 straight championships, does that make him a target for you to hate on? Vettel's the best driver on the grid, face that and move on.
 
He's obsessed with Vettel. I'd wager at least 50% of his posts mention him, he's in his user title, I have sigs off but I'd guess he's mentioned in there as well. Ignoring him is the best solution, it makes these threads a lot cleaner unless other people quote and reply to him.
 
Samus
He's obsessed with Vettel. I'd wager at least 50% of his posts mention him, he's in his user title, I have sigs off but I'd guess he's mentioned in there as well. Ignoring him is the best solution, it makes these threads a lot cleaner unless other people quote and reply to him.
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This. 1000 times, this.
 
zippy_the_cat
Spot on, and I would defend Pirelli, the tires nowadays are in the same field-scrambling role that fuel load/refueling were in 2008.

Race was very much a story of a few guys doing a class job (Vettel, the Lotii pair, Hulkenberg) and a number of guys doing a duff job (Di Resta, Sutil, Perez, Hamilton).

Alonso turned in a substandard performance that I suspect is down to morale issues -- the car's crap, and even through Ferrari's giving its all to hold place in the WCC, it's clear they're lost engineering-wise.

Hulkenberg did a mega job. As has been pointed out, lots of guys with better rides than he has would have panicked and overdriven the car in that situation. But he kept his head and reaped the reward.

Hamilton by contrast was at his most block-headed, burning up his tires in the second stint. He also wins absolutely no points from me for his post-race comments, which failed to acknowledge Hulkenberg's job and sounded the "Fernando and I deserve a better ride" note. It's a bit lost on him that RBR has had the chance to employ him and wanted nothing to do with that.

Di Resta has gone from having a case mid-season for a better drive to now having to worry, rightly, that the best he'll get next year is a slot in Le Mans pro-am GT. And would somebody please put Sutil's hacktastic mediocrity out of our misery?

Edit: I should've listed Maldonado's among the duff performances. The give-up of 4 places from overdriving is in stark contrast to what Hulkenberg was doing up front. And Pastor, lest we forget, has the race win the Hulk craves.
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Ugh, my problem with Pirelli isn't just scrambling the field. Fuel is more or less predictable and doesn't require you to design the whole car around it. Pirelli's tyres seems to randomly favour specific types of cars over the others. That's unfair. When you're about to design a car you design it to be as fast as possible, not as Pirelli-friendly as possible. That's assuming they even have enough data about the following season's tyres.

Also, they've been getting their tyre choice wrong on many occasions. They're either too hard or too soft like half the time.



niky
How many races, honestly, are exciting from start to finish? While the safety periods did bunch up the field, creating a lot of action on restarts, the racing in the field was pretty dynamic.
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Although we've had some in the past few years, it doesn't matter if we only get ONE thoroughly good race every 10 years. We shouldn't lower our standards just because mediocrity's that common. I was regretting watching the race until the first safety car restart. Literally a lap before, I was thinking to myself "****, this is even more boring than Singapore".




niky
The word "fanboy" is verboten on the boards. If you want to debate a point, fine, but name-calling won't make an argument any stronger.
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Stop taking things out of context. I wasn't calling anyone a fanboy, it just meant "how much of a fan you are" in that context. I don't know what suffix to use.

niky
What's there to miss?
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Peasantslayer apparently missed the part where the safety car helped Kimi not once, but TWICE.

Sorry to single you out bud, there's many others but my bad habit of remembering names in real life seems to apply to forums too. I rarely look at the usernames. You just happen to be the one I quoted in my last post.


niky
We give Sutil a hard time, we gave Massa a very hard time for doing the same thing last year.
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Ok correct me if I'm wrong but who mentioned Massa in this thread after the race was over? Maybe you've given him **** before but either consistently do it with any driver or don't do it at all. You're being worse than the race stewards.

niky
Yes, the Sauber was a very good car, especially compared to the Mercedes, but Hulk did a commendable job of keeping his head and not getting drawn into battle against Hamilton. A proper, unflustered defense is always worth complimenting.
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............I did complement his effort. Read again. I'm just saying it wasn't that much better than what he did in Monza against Rosberg and it's mainly down to the car. He showed the composure of a champion, sure, but if he didn't have the car, his skill and composure wouldn't have saved him from getting passed on the first attempt.

And it's funny when it was Rosberg people were saying he can't pass, and now that it's Hamilton they're praising Hulk so much.

niky
That extra lock-up you're stating Hamilton didn't have? He was locking the tires almost every lap. Pushing way too hard.
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I don't remember seeing him lock up in the 2nd stint but if he did, and it was as big as Perez' like I said in my earlier post, the director would slap a replay in our face. It's irrelevant though, he was the hardest driver on his tyres in the race. He can thank his bling bling god the safety car came out twice and took away some fuel out of his car before he goes racing again.




DK
And yet, if you mentioned anything wrong with the Bahrain GP, he'd fly off the handle. :rolleyes:
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Really? :)


JGreens
Which I alone, correctly called back in Monaco. And people thought I was mad...:lol:
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The last thing I'd want to do in my life is put myself in a group with you, but no you were not alone.
 
I don't think the effects the Pirellis are having on the cars are random; they just play out the way they do for reasons that are invisible to fans because the teams, for proprietary reasons, don't care to explain them. Big difference.

The common thread in this one was that right fronts were going off more quickly than teams had expected. That was consistent throughout the field, not random, and may well have been down to race day temps being lower than they were in practice.
 
He showed the composure of a champion, sure, but if he didn't have the car, his skill and composure wouldn't have saved him from getting passed on the first attempt.
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Erm, isn't this the case for all of F1 history?
 
zippy_the_cat
I don't think the effects the Pirellis are having on the cars are random; they just play out the way they do for reasons that are invisible to fans because the teams, for proprietary reasons, don't care to explain them. Big difference.

The common thread in this one was that right fronts were going off more quickly than teams had expected. That was consistent throughout the field, not random, and may well have been down to race day temps being lower than they were in practice.
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I wasn't talking about any specific race. The teams don't find out whether or not the tyres would suit their car design until it's too late. They only really judge during the season and there's nothing they could've done to avoid it then. They can't design a car around an unpredictable tyre. Sure they can understand it later, but I don't think it's possible to understand it properly without excessive testing.


Samus
Erm, isn't this the case for all of F1 history?
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Indeed it is, but why don't you say that to yourself then? Why make him a star for what he did in the last grand prix after ignoring many other occasions that deserved equal attention? Because it was Hamilton behind him, right?


dsgerbc
I'd rather ignore someone for their obnoxious use of color than for their opinion.
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Thank you. This was actually the point. I always get put off by Niko and Famine's colors and I'm just returning the annoyance. I think there's somebody else using a lime color as well.
 
BHRxRacer
Indeed it is, but why don't you say that to yourself then? Why make him a star for what he did in the last grand prix after ignoring many other occasions that deserved equal attention? Because it was Hamilton behind him, right?
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What? Should we stop crediting drivers altogether then, since the car does most of the work? You really do have a chip on your shoulder about Hamilton don't you? A great drive is a great drive whoever he's holding behind him, sorry if we didn't all commend him on any other similar drives, as if that somehow means he can't be commended now. Maybe you, oh wise one, could tell us where we've gone wrong in missing that. Because as far as I can recall many people have commended his talents and results over the past two seasons.

Oh and PS, Hulk was voted best driver by most people in the Italian GP as well, so I don't know what you're on about with your usual "Everyone hates my favourite driver and loves Hamilton crusade".
 
I'd give Massa a drubbing, but honestly... I don't expect anything anymore. He's leaving Ferrari, he wants to prove something. He wanted to prove it too badly. But it wasn't as big a shunt as Sutil's.
 
I don't always make it to the podium, but when I do...

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SkengD
Thats right i knew it was a race hami won and perez was there too
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I think that finished Hamilton, Perez, Alonso. At Canada 2012 though I'm sure Grosjean was 3rd behind Hamilton and Perez.

EDIT: Bit late there.
 

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