2013 Formula 1 Singtel Singapore Grand Prix

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JGreens
*utter blah*
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First things it didn't cause them points because of crowd noise. I'm a 9ers fan and have followed all their games since the early 90s. All the noise did was ruin the ability for the snap to be heard. Bad defense was another factor and not being prepared since they beat that same team earlier in the season.

I've been to plenty of racing events in the states, including Nascar that has been dominated by JJ and I still enjoy the event. Your idea that it doesn't go a certain way thus is a waste doesn't make sense. I thought people went to events to support a group or enjoy the environment and see an event in person, there is no garuntee when you buy the tickets your team will win. So why even buy the ticket if we are to believe you? What does it matter I have studies to do so back to being away for awhile until Korea.
 
Crowd noise in a football game has a completely different affect than crowd noise at a race. The idea of crowd noise during a football game is to create enough noise that the qb cannot communicate while waiting for the ball to be snapped, or hopefully having a lineman jump for a false start. Many teams, especially during playoff time, will pump out crowd noise during practice to get used to it.

Not sure how booing during the race will affect Vettel or any other driver for that matter.
 
sems4arsenal
Haven't seen it but someone said cars had to swerve out of the way when Webber hoped on to Alonso's car so it's dangerous,harsh penalty though but isn't that the rule for a 3rd reprimand?
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Yeah, he didn't get a penalty for it specifically, it was his third reprimand that meant he got a penalty.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
First things it didn't cause them points because of crowd noise. I'm a 9ers fan and have followed all their games since the early 90s. All the noise did was ruin the ability for the snap to be heard. Bad defense was another factor and not being prepared since they beat that same team earlier in the season.
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Firstly, don't misquote me.
Secondly, get your facts right.

49'ers @ Seahawks was on Week TWO of the season, with the Seahawks opener at the Panthers, so when did the Seahawks play 49'ers before the Panthers? WHEN? :lol:

The noise from the crowd cost the 49'ers points - by not allowing them to hear the call, obviously! :lol:

Bad defence or no, Lynch broke NINE tackles on that run - so what happened earlier in the season made squat difference.


LMSCorvetteGT2
Your idea that it doesn't go a certain way thus is a waste doesn't make sense.
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Ever seen a penalty shoot-out in hockey or soccer? Probably not.


LMSCorvetteGT2
I thought people went to events to support a group or enjoy the environment and see an event in person, there is no garuntee when you buy the tickets your team will win.
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You thought wrong.

There is no guarantee, no, but you go because you want to see your team/player/driver win and you'll do anything you can to help them. It's like shouting at a player to distract him enough for the other player to make the move/pass/tackle/shot to win the match/game/championship. It's why other people start chanting or playing instruments - cowbells, drums, anything to help the team they support and to disrupt the other team. They don't call the crowd the 12th Man for nothing, you know.

As for it's not working, you can see Blondie is hearing these boos and it will eventually make a difference, keep on going till he cracks is what I say!
 
What does any of that have to do with the Singapore GP? If you're going to post tripe at least post on topic tripe...

Booing or cheering someone during a "game" is entirely different to booing or cheering after the "game".
 
Here's a video of the incident. It does seem a little reckless, I don't see why they had to do it in the middle of the track and not on the side. Lewis went passed at 70kph, imagine if he decided to go left instead of right.
 
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As far as I know, he received his penalty because it was his third reprimand of the year.

EDIT: Never mind. It had already been mentioned.

EDIT 2: I can't find it, but I recall there was a statistic being thrown around after the US GP '12 that when Mark's alternator failed, it ended a 30+ race streak with no race-ending mechanical failures.
 
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Both Alonso and Webber were reprimanded for doing something that is against the rules. Webber gets a grid penalty as it was his 3rd reprimand of the year.
 
So now the earliest Vettel can clinch the title is Japan, if he can win both races and Alonso scores less than ten points between them.
 
PeterJB
So now the earliest Vettel can clinch the title is Japan, if he can win both races and Alonso scores less than ten points between them.
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In other words if he does what is needed all he'll do is prolong the time it takes for RBR and Vettel to get the championships. Well and if Merc gets their act together they'll also prolong it.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
In other words if he does what is needed all he'll do is prolong the time it takes for RBR and Vettel to get the championships. Well and if Merc gets their act together they'll also prolong it.
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Indeed, even if Vettel wins the next three races and Alonso finishes second in each, then Vettel will have the title at India.
 
PeterJB
Indeed, even if Vettel wins the next three races and Alonso finishes second in each, then Vettel will have the title at India.
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Exactly right, and even if Webber kept having these issues, MGP and Ferrari wont close the gap WCC wise. It's just time to enjoy the races and get ready for next year.
 
Getting sick of Red Bull now, Vettel has just coasted to a win by over 30 seconds. It doesn't matter how good you are that can't be done in the dry without a dominant car, I hope Ricciardo does a better job than Webber next year and at least gives him a run for his money.
 
JGreens
That's dodgy statistics, already spotted one mistake at Italy '11 - Webber DNF.
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I looked through the history books to see how mechanical issues, team orders, and clashes with each other have affected both Red Bull drivers.
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Italy 2011 he crashed into Massa, lost his front wing and fell off at Parabolica trying to get back to the pits. That's not mechanical issues, team orders or a clash with Vettel.
 
JGreens
That's dodgy statistics, already spotted one mistake at Italy '11 - Webber DNF.
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I was under the impression that crashing with Massa doesn't count as a reliability issue but I guess I'll have to admit that you know better. My apologies.
 
JGreens
That's dodgy statistics, already spotted one mistake at Italy '11 - Webber DNF.
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Nothing to do with reliability. The spanner knocked his front wing off and went into the Parabolica at race speed, locking both front wheels. It was his own fault, just like Vettel's crash at Monaco 2009 (Which also wasn't mentioned).
 
I didn't spot the nice edit to absolve himself of the mistake, but thanks for pointing it out.
Oh! Found this on the internet, it's in German, so use translate and a bit of common sense to work out what's exactly being said:

"Wenn die anderen nach Hause gehen und sich die Eier in den Pool hängen, sind wir noch da, arbeiten am Auto und versuchen, noch mehr herauszuquetschen", sagte Vettel mit einem schelmischen Grinsen im Gesicht."

http://www.motorsport-magazin.com/f...ttel-konkurrenz-haengt-ihre-eier-in-den-pool/

Most respectful and courteous as befitting a 4X World Champion, clearly
 
JGreens
I didn't spot the nice edit to absolve himself of the mistake, but thanks for pointing it out.
Oh! Found this on the internet, it's in German, so use translate and a bit of common sense to work out what's exactly being said:

"Wenn die anderen nach Hause gehen und sich die Eier in den Pool hängen, sind wir noch da, arbeiten am Auto und versuchen, noch mehr herauszuquetschen", sagte Vettel mit einem schelmischen Grinsen im Gesicht."

http://www.motorsport-magazin.com/f...ttel-konkurrenz-haengt-ihre-eier-in-den-pool/

Most respectful and courteous as befitting a 4X World Champion, clearly
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Well if the other teams did that then maybe they'd actually be able to keep up. 💡
 
JGreens
I didn't spot the nice edit to absolve himself of the mistake, but thanks for pointing it out.
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Didn't see any edits or mistakes. He simply hasn't included the times the RB drivers have put it into something other than each other and not caused by mechanical failure.

Like Belgium 2010, when Vettel put it into the side of Button and finished the race a lap down. Not mechanical, not team orders, not putting it into Webber, not included.
 
Was impressed with Kimi today coming from 13th.

BBC don't show the interviews on highlights weekend (thanks Sky) so I didn't catch the boos. Think its pretty sad to boo Vettel, he's driving very good indeed and my respect for him just keeps getting higher.
 
SilverArrow
Here's a video of the incident. It does seem a little reckless, I don't see why they had to do it in the middle of the track and not on the side. Lewis went passed at 70kph, imagine if he decided to go left instead of right.
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I was pretty disappointed hearing about his penalty also until I saw this angle.
Pretty sketchy... But in the end worth it imo. Last year in F1 last chance to get a lift on an F1 car and have Alonso return the favour.


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Just spoke with @AussieGrit , you have no idea how p***** off he is about a 10 place grid drop in Korea for catching a lift with Alonso.
 
Peasantslayer
Getting sick of Red Bull now, Vettel has just coasted to a win by over 30 seconds. It doesn't matter how good you are that can't be done in the dry without a dominant car...
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This isn't new to the sport. It's a series with a tight formula but still with room to innovate within the limited wiggle room, and some teams capitalize on this better than others. The only way to truly level the field, in terms of cars, is to take away the teams' personal development and just hand everybody an identical set of blueprints, but then it wouldn't be the sport it has always been. Red Bull are only the recent dominators. Only back in '09 it was Brawn GP with an advantage so huge that they were uncontested for half a season, by which point it was too late to stop them. A couple decades back Williams had the huge advantage; so huge that it motivated Senna to leave McLaren to have a chance at winning in a Williams.

The only other thing I can think to do is penalize success, which isn't fair. "How dare you be so good! Shame on you!" Then we would no longer have a sport wherein the best wins but instead where being good is a bad thing.
 
When I first heard of the penalty/reprimand given to Webber/Alonso, I was annoyed, but having now seen the footage it seems that they weren't penalised for getting/giving the lift as such, but the location that they did the pick-up, which is fine by me.
 
IceMan PJN
This isn't new to the sport. It's a series with a tight formula but still with room to innovate within the limited wiggle room, and some teams capitalize on this better than others. The only way to truly level the field, in terms of cars, is to take away the teams' personal development and just hand everybody an identical set of blueprints, but then it wouldn't be the sport it has always been. Red Bull are only the recent dominators. Only back in '09 it was Brawn GP with an advantage so huge that they were uncontested for half a season, by which point it was too late to stop them. A couple decades back Williams had the huge advantage; so huge that it motivated Senna to leave McLaren to have a chance at winning in a Williams.

The only other thing I can think to do is penalize success, which isn't fair. "How dare you be so good! Shame on you!" Then we would no longer have a sport wherein the best wins but instead where being good is a bad thing.
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Newey is just too brilliant. He's always one step ahead of the rest in development. Not always exciting to watch, but I have to admire his ability.
 
I recorded the race yesterday and watched it up until the safety car and fell asleep. Woke up when the podium interviews were going on. Didn't hear the boos and by the sounds of the reports, no point in watching the rest of it if Vettel walked off with it and coasted home 30 seconds ahead of Alonso. This is getting stupid now.
 
There was some excellent racing in that race, it's just that first was a concrete fact after the first three corners.

I think it's a terrible sign of a society where someone who is exceptional at their profession is booed. I wish he'd lost and made the championship more exciting too, but credit where credit is due, he was so much faster than everyone else it wasn't funny.

No one would consider booing Alonso or Raikkonen for their exceptional performances, and I don't see why Vettel should be any different. Enjoy the pleasure of watching one of the finest drivers in the world in one of the finest cars in the world.
 

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