I'm not sure if this is considered off-topic, because creating new threads doesn't last very long before they're closed and not being able to discuss it here feels like prison. If this discussion is considered off-topic, mods please move it to its own thread.
I wouldn't say so, it's F1 related and is only happening due to results of both MGP cars and their quali results.
Yes I would call guys like Vettel and Hamilton Saturday drivers. Vettel much more than Hamilton. Problem? I listed Vettel's wins in a previous thread calling them out. Pretty much all of them were either from pole, or the first lap. Hamilton took nearly twice as many poles than wins in his career as well.
It's funny because in the next part you call me a number digger yet ironically that is what you actually have done. By claiming that due to Hamilton's poles being more than wins, that is the full story. If we look at last year alone we see that McLaren let him down more than anything and that there is obviously a back story. If you want to let the number be the absolute then you are denying the reality of what actually happened.
Oh and lol at "depth". Thank you Mr. Lance Storm
If you're a history/number digger there's no point discussing anything here because when it comes down to it, Hamilton's a world champion and Nico's a nobody, right?
Is it funny because you lack it? And no, I wouldn't say that at all, but you sound more like a sensationalist sports caster that wants to create a dynamic by saying "Nico sure is out pacing Lewis". I showed you the evidence if you want to make a cop out and say I'm just trying to trump up Hamilton though I've given proof, then just give up.
Also you a fool, I've been supporting Nico and MGP as well as Hamilton, I agree that Hamilton has been crushed at some races. Yet the scale that you put it on isn't reality they are equal. Nico seems to have had a stronger pace in the start of the season more often but Lewis has now found comfort in the Merc and it clearly shows. Also I find it concerning that if Lewis is such a Saturday driver, then why is is considered one of the best passers in the sport. We only have to look at his drive back in Silverstone to finish fourth, but yeah the guy is a total Saturday driver. I wont even argue about Vettel because I'm sure others will do it for me and it has been done plenty. (Brazil 2012 never happened for you I guess).
How can you say he was faster in the race? At least when I exaggerate things they have basis. Nico was on tyre-saving mode then he had a problem that hurt his times, then eventually retired. Quali's debatable, but Lewis can have it. So, 5-4 now? Oh, and if I was bias I'd give Nico poles in Hungary and Canada as well, because he had technical issues on his Q3 laps. Furthermore, looking at your PSN name, I could call YOU bias too :/
Uh because Lewis had the stronger pace Saturday and Sunday you know the FIA has a nifty website that has charts that may help you. What technical issue did he have at Hungary? Other than being outpaced by three other drivers, who had been much stronger than him in all three FP.
For the love of god do I have to repeat this 100 times? Hamilton was LUCKY in Bahrain compared to Nico. Please go back to the Bahrain GP thread and read why.
Luck, do you really want to use that argument? I was at the thread I've read it and contributed so... See it's logical to say Nico was faster at Australia and would have beat Hamilton if his technical issue didn't happen, but it's not anywhere near the same if you are going to base luck. So Nico in Britain was luck due to MGP being stupid and not installing tires the recommended way, or Vettel having his transmission go out. OR you could chalk it up as racing and say Nico ended up being the best when it really mattered.
Nice. You just replied to yourself. They were on different strategies due to the massive **** up by the team in qualifying. Oh and in Germany Nico was showing great qualifying pace up until that lock-up. Lewis himself said he thought Nico was going to be faster.
Lewis still ended up being faster in both Q1 and Q2 over Nico, and during race day Nico struggled more than Lewis on the tires. A late rally helped him get into the points.
Points? I'm glad you brought this up. Starting with 99 - 84. Malaysia; Obviously Nico should've been on podium, if not challenging the RBs. Let's say he just stayed 3rd. That's -3 for Lewis and +3 for Nico. As for Australia/China, For the sake of argument let's say he would've stayed right behind Lewis and didn't move up. That's 8 points in Australia and and 12 in China. I won't touch Bahrain and call the whole race a racing incident, but for doing that I'll also consider Silverstone a racing incident thus not changing the results.
That's 107 for Nico and 96 for Lewis.
I'm not going to give him points for racing failures, that's just part of racing. It's stupid and you act as if the God's of Racing conspired against Rosberg, I already gave Malaysia because he shouldn't have been held back by his team. To me the Malaysia incident isn't racing it's just micro managing under the guise of racing. If the roles were reversed I'd say same about Nico as being slightly better.
More damning is that you give Nico vs Lewis a 5-4, if that is the case then that would tell me (common sense) that they are quite equal. Both guys are saying that their teammate is better than them, so we can't use their personal view.
This is the last I'll say on this to you, if you want to keep this going why don't you open a thread called "F1 Teams analysis mid season"
When the arguments are based on what ifs then you cant take them serious .
Racing has a lot do with luck and Lewis has been luckier than Rosberg this season so far and that is why he has more pts than him .
Either luck or blame it on the team for giving him the bad car those races .
I dont think anyone should dispute Rosbergs talent after this season
I would hope no one does either. I always thought Rosberg to be an excellent driver. I'm not saying Rosberg sucks, if I did then why do I support him? To be fair I much rather see him get a championship to his name than anyone else.
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