2013 NASCAR Thread

[RACECAR]

Or, get rid of the chase altogether.

This too. Having "Playoffs" in a racing series is the worst idea anyone has ever come up with and the fact that only four people have won the championship in that fashion while its been run nine times is absolutely pathetic.

 

[Northstar]

So to send a message, they have to unfairly punish someone who wasn't even aware of it (which wouldn't be a surprise given he's already got a full plate with his spot as well as driving with an injured wrist). That's not sending a message, that's further making NASCAR a joke in its officiating as well as further proving their inconsistency in making the right call.

Considering the possible outcomes, NASCAR will look like a joke no matter what. I also don't really see any call that I would call right as it's either too much or not enough.

These seem to be their choices.
1) Do nothing
2) Penalize only the 15 team, which would still make it worth it as the 56 is now in the chase(Truex's knowledge doesn't make a difference).
3) Penalize all of MWR, obviously you would be penalizing someone who (possibly) had no knowledge of it, but benefited non-the-less.

 

[The Bman]

This too. Having "Playoffs" in a racing series is the worst idea anyone has ever come up with and the fact that only four people have won the championship in that fashion while its been run nine times is absolutely pathetic.

NASCAR is trying too hard to be like 'stick-and-ball' sports. Formula 1, FIA GT, and nearly every other racing series doesn't have a playoffs system yet they still remain extremely popular.

They might as well divide the race into quarters or periods where whoever finishes in a certain position in each 1/4th or 1/3rd of the race receives a fraction of the points and prize money rewarded to that position.

 

[GTPorsche]

Considering the possible outcomes, NASCAR will look like a joke no matter what. I also don't really see any call that I would call right as it's either too much or not enough.

These seem to be their choices.
1) Do nothing
2) Do nothing
3) Do nothing

Fixed... to be more realistic with NASCAR of recent. 👎

 

[Northstar]

Fixed... to be more realistic with NASCAR of recent. 👎

Why do you think I had it in the #1 spot.

 

[GTPorsche]

At least they're investigating it. All the evidence is there. If they do nothing, it will look back on them.

 

[Ganon83]

The Chase would be much better if you decided the tracks via random draw every year, but of course that won't happen.
Have 26 races, one at each track (Add Iowa, Road America, and bring back Rockingham), then have a random draw at the All Star race in May. The only track not decided by random draw is the final one, which will always be Daytona.
No tracks can repeat year to year. Max of 5 1.1 mile + races, 3 mile or smaller, and one road course.

 

[TheDabbinDave]

Only Bowyer did something wrong. It would be fairly twisted to punish Truex too.

That's not true. It was obviously team orders via code. Gordon will be in the Chase after the 99's win is DQ'd. NASCAR must fix this if they expect to be taken seriously in the world of "sport".

 

[MustangRyan]

Who cares if Bowyer and Vickers pulled over and stopped to help Logano? If they want less points and money for their finishing position, that's their right to do so.

Had JJ and Junior done the same thing to help Gordon, very few, if anyone, in here would be complaining. They would probably be lauded as wonderful teammates, and hailed as geniuses.

Wonderboy is out, deal with it.

 

[GTPorsche]

Who cares if Bowyer and Vickers pulled over and stopped to help Logano? If they want less points and money for their finishing position, that's their right to do so.

Had JJ and Junior done the same thing to help Gordon, very few, if anyone, in here would be complaining. They would probably be lauded as wonderful teammates, and hailed as geniuses.

Wonderboy is out, deal with it.

It's not that it helped Logano. It gave Truex insurance for the Chase, because if Logano hadn't gained those two spots, he would have fallen out of the top ten in points, and he would have been the second wild card instead of Truex.

https://twitter.com/jeff_gluck/status/376788955058171904 <-not related to the sentence above.

 

[MustangRyan]

It's not that it helped Logano. It gave Truex insurance for the Chase, because if Logano hadn't gained those two spots, he would have fallen out of the top ten in points, and he would have been the second wild card instead of Truex.

https://twitter.com/jeff_gluck/status/376788955058171904 <-not related to the sentence above.

I understand that helping Logano is how they helped Truex get back in.

My point was, "who cares?" Only Gordon fans, it appears.

 

[GTPorsche]

Gordon wasn't the only one screwed over by it.

 

[Blitz24]

Hey if they did it and managed to not plan it over the radio, more power to them. The fact that they though made their plans known OVER THE RADIO is ridiculously bush league.

 

[Jahgee]

2:15, 5:13, 7:12

Clint, you aren't a good liar, just stop

 

[lintels123]

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqsZwzKSp0k">YouTube Link</a>
2:15, 5:13, 7:12

Clint, you aren't a good liar, just stop

*sarcasm warning* But, he was bummed, and it was a bummer, and he was over all bummed out. That's believable, right?

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Oh, NA$CAR will not listen to that. Never.

Just like they wont listen to the technical suggestions to make the racing more interesting or listen to the call for more technical road courses.

I love how he is doing this acting scheme, the fact that he keeps talking before the next question is asked and trying to cover himself. It's a trademark of a flustered liar, to just keep talking and talking as if it will help him.

Who cares if Bowyer and Vickers pulled over and stopped to help Logano? If they want less points and money for their finishing position, that's their right to do so.

Had JJ and Junior done the same thing to help Gordon, very few, if anyone, in here would be complaining. They would probably be lauded as wonderful teammates, and hailed as geniuses.

Wonderboy is out, deal with it.

^ This, also it's quite stupid to think that anything other than MWR owner points and Clint Bowyer driver points should be lowered doesn't seem to get how unethical and unfair that would be to Truex. Just like F1 or any other auto sport when a team screws up or does this crap, the team gets hit no the drivers. When the driver screws up on the track in a way that could have been avoided (Clint Bowyer) the driver gets punishment. No where in that scenario did I see Truex do anything other than drive his car hard all night to try and make the chase.

I do feel that some aren't willing to acknowledge that they are mad because Gordon is out. Though I question them because they are the same people that wanted ICEYOU to lose the bet to me. And I know some are mad because they wanted to see Newman make it so they could root for him as a big 🤬 to Stewart Haas if he won.

 

[Northstar]

Just like F1 or any other auto sport when a team screws up or does this crap, the team gets hit no the drivers.

Um, I've lost count of how many times a driver has been docked points for an illegal part/setup, something they usually don't have any control over.

 

[GTPorsche]

NASCAR has made it 3 for 3 on race screw ups this weekend.

http://instagram.com/p/eA7btaCc-_/

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Um, I've lost count of how many times a driver has been docked points for an illegal part/setup, something they usually don't have any control over.

Don't really see how that is the same. That is a direct benefit from the team even if the driver isn't aware. The other is indirect with the driver being unaware, Truex has not control over Bowyer's stupid move so to punish him for it is asinine.

EDIT:

GTPorsche can you explain that one to me, I don't watch very many truck races.

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

Don't really see how that is the same. That is a direct benefit from the team even if the driver isn't aware. The other is indirect with the driver being unaware, Truex has not control over Bowyer's stupid move so to punish him for it is asinine.

But Truex gained from it even if he had no control, the logical thing to do if MWR are found guilty would be to add a 13th chase spot so Truex doesn't lose out but neither does the guy who got mugged.

 

[Jahgee]

Don't really see how that is the same. That is a direct benefit from the team even if the driver isn't aware. The other is indirect with the driver being unaware, Truex has not control over Bowyer's stupid move so to punish him for it is asinine.

I personally they should go all out with punishing as to make an example that **** like that doesn't fly with NASCAR, go do that in F1 if you want.

 

[GTPorsche]

I personally they should go all out with punishing as to make an example that **** like that doesn't fly with NASCAR, go do that in F1 if you want.

Funny you bring that up, considering the last time it was attempted in F1, the guy who planned it was thrown out of the sport.

And Nelson Piquet Jr ended up in NASCAR after it.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I personally they should go all out with punishing as to make an example that **** like that doesn't fly with NASCAR, go do that in F1 if you want.

I'm fine with a heavy fine at MWR and Clint starting as a 12 seed or DQ'd from the championship. They'd do that in F1. The Truex portion isn't needed, and same goes for Vickers (though I can't stand the guy), those were Waltrip calls and like any crummy team boss in F1 he should be hammered.

EDIT:

correcting spelling error.

 

[Blitz24]

I'm fine with a heavy fine at MWR and Clint starting as a 12 seed or DQ'd from the championship. They'd do that in F1. The Truex portion isn't needed, and same goes for Vickers (though I can't stand the guy), those where Waltrip calls and like any crummy team boss in F1 he should be hammered.

Agreed. At least as much as the Jet fuel penalty.

 

[Müle]

Ideally, in my little world, Bowyer would forfiet his position in the Chase, and it be given to the next guy in line, which is Gordon

I can dream, can't I?

Funny you bring that up, considering the last time it was attempted in F1, the guy who planned it was thrown out of the sport.

And Nelson Piquet Jr ended up in NASCAR after it.

Actually, Piquet essentially tattle taled on the FIA after he was fired from Renault. IIRC, he was actually compensated for coming clean and avoided punishment.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Ideally, in my little world, Bowyer would forfiet his position in the Chase, and it be given to the next guy in line, which is Gordon

I can dream, can't I?



Actually, Piquet essentially tattle taled on the FIA after he was fired from Renault. IIRC, he was actually compensated for coming clean and avoided punishment.

Yeah but the guy that was fired that Blitz was talking about team boss Flavio Briatore.

 

[Müle]

Oh. "Planned it."

woops!

 

[BKGlover]

All of you can keep dreaming, because unless you can enact the US Congress to do something, or manage to convince Sprint/Nextel to threaten to pull out, nothing is gonna happen. Just like normal, just like everything else. BS, but true.

 

[Wilbur]

My thoughts on the whole situation with MWR. It was a shady move by Bowyer that he knew he almost had to do (doing as the boss says) and I completely understand why they wanted it done. Truex has stepped up his game in the last 2 seasons which have impressed me but he wasn't the strongest car at times or whatever. Newman had issues, so did Gordon but they were doing everything they could to race in, which they should be doing and respectable.

If it were Bowyer pit like he did, ok that's not really that bad because it didn't really cost anyone anything as far as liek Newman winning or stuff like that which changed outcome of a race completely.

I know alot of folks are wanting the head of MWR now but they act as if team orders are new or haven't happened in the past alot of the time. The one thing, MWR hasn't exactly tried to hide it but never fully admitted.

 

[Northstar]

All of you can keep dreaming, because unless you can enact the US Congress to do something, or manage to convince Sprint/Nextel to threaten to pull out, nothing is gonna happen. Just like normal, just like everything else. BS, but true.

I'll just stop watching.