2013 Shelby GT500 Revealed

[peter_vod69]

Reading between the lines, the two things that would really improve a Shelby GT500 would be a shorter diff and proper rear suspension.

 

[Ddrizle]

Chris Harris on both these two monsters.

 

[Zenith]

And Motor Trend:

 

[Keef]

Chris Harris on both these two monsters.

Merica.

This kind of reminds me of Road & Track's new M5 vs. CTS-V test. Sure, the M5 performs slightly better, but then it is brand new and packed with more technology. The CTS-V still wins the subjective tests because it's a legit man-mobile that will terrify children. But then, surely the ZL1 is more hardcore than the CTS-V? The GT500 must be that ridiculous to be harder still.

 

[Blackbird.]

Me and my father saw both of these cars at the dealer yesterday and last week. He wants to buy one of the two as his retirement car so I'm obliged to join him to choose.

Anyways, the GT500 was pretty nice but the interior bothered me. It felt like I was sitting in my Mustang. We got to hear it start, has a pretty nice rumble but nothing to write home about. That was pretty much the conclusion of that visit. Oh and the dealer had a $25,000 mark up on it, was a $89,000 GT500.

Then the ZL1 was yesterday. It was Summit White with the black rims. In pictures it didn't seem like much but man in person I love this car. Pretty much the same deal as the GT500, got to sit in it. I liked the interior much more then the GT500. It felt more refined. The only issue I had which I was expecting was the visibility. It's windshield feels so tiny compared to the mustangs. It's blindspots are horrid too. We got to start it up as well and WOW. It's deeper, louder, and throatier. Big thumbs up to the ZL1's factory exhaust. Overall I think I like the ZL1 more with first impressions. The ZL1 also came with a mark-up although a smaller one: $20,000. Came out to $79,000.

So for right now my Dad is also leaning towards the ZL1, hopefully as he comes closer to purchasing we'll be able to convince them to take it out for a test drive.

 

[Organ-Donor]

Very suprising that the ZL1 exhaust is louder as Mustangs have some of the best sounding and loudest exhausts I've heard. Also wondering about the Shelby interior as the Recaro seats are a huge plus and something I wish Chevy/Corvette supplied as an option. How did you like the ZL1 hood/body extras. I already love the look of the new Shelby but haven't seen a ZL1 in person yet.

 

[Blackbird.]

Very suprising that the ZL1 exhaust is louder as Mustangs have some of the best sounding and loudest exhausts I've heard. Also wondering about the Shelby interior as the Recaro seats are a huge plus and something I wish Chevy/Corvette supplied as an option. How did you like the ZL1 hood/body extras. I already love the look of the new Shelby but haven't seen a ZL1 in person yet.

Well the Camaro was indoors so that may have made it sound louder but if anything it did sound deeper and throatier. The Shelby we saw didn't have the Recaro seats option. Sorry, which hood/body extras are you referring to? The carbon fiber insert?

 

[CodeRedR51]

Oh and the dealer had a $25,000 mark up on it, was a $89,000 GT500.

The ZL1 also came with a mark-up although a smaller one: $20,000. Came out to $79,000.

This kind of 🤬 pisses me off. Dealers that do that deserve to go under. 👎

 

[Blackbird.]

This kind of 🤬 pisses me off. Dealers that do that deserve to go under. 👎

I completely agree. All this hype and excitement for two of the most capable pony cars to be created and at a relatively affordable price. Then only to be slapped a $20,000+ markup on them making them suddenly not as affordable. Not always the dealers fault for two reasons:

1. The buyer could combat this by refusing to pay for that at all. Of course there's always going to be that filthy rich guy that just wants it, doesn't care what the dealer wants. There's also those that will negotiate down to even $10k over and be happy with that.

2. The manufacturers are hardly allocating any ZL1s/GT500s to the dealers. I live in Fremont and work in South San Jose and between those two areas there are only 2 dealers that carry one ZL1. While with the GT500 there's maybe only 2 as well.

 

[Eric.]

$90k GT500? Can you get a ZR1 for MSRP?

 

[Blackbird.]

$90k GT500? Can you get a ZR1 for MSRP?

Yeah if you're willing to grossly overpay for that car might as well pony up another $25-30k and get a full blown ZR1.

 

[CodeRedR51]

The manufacturers are hardly allocating any ZL1s/GT500s to the dealers.

They just came out. I'm sure it'll be some time before they get caught up on orders and get a nice allocation of inventory to dealers.

$90k GT500? Can you get a ZR1 for MSRP?

GT-R FTW at that point...

 

[Blackbird.]

They just came out. I'm sure it'll be some time before they get caught up on orders and get a nice allocation of inventory to dealers.

According to one dealer they were only allocated 1 for the 2012 Model year. For 2013, only 3.

 

[Eric.]

Probably because they don't expect to sell many $100k Mustangs or Camaros. Maybe if they were around $50k.

Oh.

 

[McLaren]

This kind of 🤬 pisses me off. Dealers that do that deserve to go under. 👎

Then near every dealer in the US (at least every Big 3 dealer) would be gone. They've all done it to some degree whether it's a just a markup, or by adding features you don't want to drive up the price.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Then near every dealer in the US (at least every Big 3 dealer) would be gone.

Huge exaggeration I think. Plus, not all dealers are able to sell these higher end cars. (I know with Ford you have to be a certified dealer to sell Shelby/SVT vehicles)

 

[McLaren]

Huge exaggeration I think. Plus, not all dealers are able to sell these higher end cars. (I know with Ford you have to be a certified dealer to sell Shelby/SVT vehicles)

It doesn't mean anything in regards to higher end cars. I watched Subaru of Plano place a $5,000 markup on the STi when the latest generation came out & just a month ago, watch a $3,500 markup go on their first BRZ.

And all the Big 3 manufacturer dealers have done it. I've seen markups on Corvettes, Boss 302s, Harley Davidson F150s, Camaro SS', SRT10 ACR, & I'll bet some dealers markup the new Vipers.
It doesn't have to be a simple markup for the hell of it. Some dealers go as far as to place moldings, tint, pinstripes, etc, & then ask $3,000 for it. That's an unnecessary markup of overpriced options that are typically not going to be covered by the manufacturer unless they're OEM wheels.

BB, a great way to avoid that is to see if your dad can place an order for one at the dealer & go through the build process with a sales person. I've never seen a dealer just markup a car that hasn't had its build sheet produced yet because there'll be no point; the car won't arrive a for a few months & the hype will have died down. Today, the car might be worth the markup to some poor sucker. 2-3 months down the line when your dad's arrive, there will be more out on the market.

 

[Blackbird.]

BB, a great way to avoid that is to see if your dad can place an order for one at the dealer & go through the build process with a sales person. I've never seen a dealer just markup a car that hasn't had its build sheet produced yet because there'll be no point; the car won't arrive a for a few months & the hype will have died down. Today, the car might be worth the markup to some poor sucker. 2-3 months down the line when your dad's arrive, there will be more out on the market.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking of telling him. Nevertheless, he's not exactly ready to buy. He just wanted to see them in person. It'll probably be a couple of months before he can get real serious. The mark-up just annoys me. I mean $25k? Could get another reasonable car for that price.

 

[ShobThaBob]

This kind of 🤬 pisses me off. Dealers that do that deserve to go under. 👎

That's how dealerships have always operated. What's the difference between 500 dollar markup and 25k? If there's someone that wants to pay that much, all power to them. That's how the 'free' market works.

 

[CodeRedR51]

That's how dealerships have always operated. What's the difference between 500 dollar markup and 25k? If there's someone that wants to pay that much, all power to them. That's how the 'free' market works.

Don't kid yourself, there's a huge difference between the two. Stupid example.

 

[Slash]

Don't kid yourself, there's a huge difference between the two. Stupid example.

I think people could live with a $500 markup and not really care. For $25k you could by a really nice car other than the one you're looking at. That's what puts people off.

 

[ShobThaBob]

Don't kid yourself, there's a huge difference between the two. Stupid example.

The only difference is that you can afford a 500 markup, but can't afford 20 or 25k. It doesn't matter how much the markup is, if they have someone that is willing to pay that kind of price, more power to them. That's the way the free market works.

I personally think the way dealerships work at all is awful, but complaining about only the outrageous profits you can immediately see, and brush off the (still) outrageous profits that you can/can't see is silly.

 

[eSZee]

This kind of 🤬 pisses me off. Dealers that do that deserve to go under. 👎

I agree. However, people are willing to pay the markup, therefore dealers will keep doing it. That's how it works.
Whenever you feel something is too expensive, remind yourself that someone out there is willing to pay that price and pat yourself on the back for not being one of those people.

 

[Organ-Donor]

Personally I won't pay sticker price let alone a big markup fee. I would rather wait for a used with very low miles to avoid dealer fees, and that drop in price just from them driving off the car lot. There are some real steals here in south Florida because so many wealthy people buy a car new, get bored with it after 6 months and move to the next car.

 

[Zenith]

Personally I won't pay sticker price let alone a big markup fee. I would rather wait for a used with very low miles to avoid dealer fees, and that drop in price just from them driving off the car lot. There are some real steals here in south Florida because so many wealthy people buy a car new, get bored with it after 6 months and move to the next car.

Pretty much this. Wait a few years and you'll be paying far less. The 660hp doesn't really change whether you buy it now or in 10 years.

The 2013 GT500 has the potential to be a classic. It's going to be the last of the retro-styled Mustangs, it's the last GT500 to receive a blessing from Carrol Shelby (however meaningless that might be), and it's one of those "bargain bazookas" of performance. The value might go through the roof in 30-50 years.

 

[eSZee]

Pretty much this. Wait a few years and you'll be paying far less. The 660hp doesn't really change whether you buy it now or in 10 years.

Technically you're right. Relatively speaking, it's not the same. 450HP in 1989, for example, isn't the same as 450hp in 2012. When it comes to cars and power numbers, it's not the same.

 

[Zenith]

Technically you're right. Relatively speaking, it's not the same. 450HP in 1989, for example, isn't the same as 450hp in 2012. When it comes to cars and power numbers, it's not the same.

Of course. I was thinking in terms of the person who wants to feel 650hp snap their neck backwards.

 

[ShobThaBob]

Technically you're right. Relatively speaking, it's not the same. 450HP in 1989, for example, isn't the same as 450hp in 2012. When it comes to cars and power numbers, it's not the same.

Of course it's the same. The difference comes from vehicle weight.

 

[eSZee]

No.............

 

[ShobThaBob]

No.............

As long as we're talking about actual HP numbers and not manufacturer claims, then yes. Perhaps you should consider explaining your point in more detail instead of just claiming that HP in the 80s was more HP than it is today.