2013 Shelby GT500 Revealed

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I am in looooove with the new Shelby.

That Camaro forum post is also the biggest load of crap I've ever read. Ford beat the Camaro outright, and Chevy will be too scared to push the Camaro into the 600+ hp range because it can't have more power than the ZR1. And technology and sophistication? This thing comes with magnetic Blistein shocks, a legit limited-slip diff, Goodyear SuperCar tires and enough downforce to supposedly make it stable at 200mph! Ford beat Chevy plain and simple and now GM fanboys are butthurt.

Also, automakers rarely accept another automaker's challenge. Believe me, I cover the auto industry for a small-ish website and this kind of thing rarely happens, if at all.
 
You do know the ZL1(LSA) has a different engine than the ZR1(LS9) right?

And that the ZR1 has 638hp, meaning that if Chevrolet could have gotten over 600hp they could without having more than the ZR1.

I personally think the Mustang is in a league of it's own, but you come off as just another Ford fanboy.:rolleyes:
 
Justin
You do know the ZL1(LSA) has a different engine than the ZR1(LS9) right?

And that the ZR1 has 638hp, meaning that if Chevrolet could have gotten over 600hp they could without having more than the ZR1.

I personally think the Mustang is in a league of it's own, but you come off as just another Ford fanboy.:rolleyes:
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Different engine in the same sense all the vq35s and vq37s are different, for example. Things are changed here and there depending on which car the engine is going into.
Same goes for LSA and LS3. LS3 + forged crank and blower=LSA.
Take the LSA, give it forged internals, different cam specs, bigger blower, and you have an LS9.
So yes, in that sense, they are different.

Joey D
The Ring doesn't mean anything though, it's not even that great of a racetrack. They'd be better off doing Laguna Seca, Road America, Infenion Raceway or something along those lines. Not to mention most American have no idea what the Ring even is.
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It's a great testing/proving ground, which is what most MFRs use it for. Instead of going to different tracks looking for long straights, camber/off camber corners, elevation changes etc, they can get most of it done at one place.
As for the american thing, I think they are trying to prove the cornering thing to the world and not joe schmoe who lives his life 1/4 mile at a time.
 
GM is really grasping at straws here. You got shown up...

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Totally not buying a GT500 until they're at 750hp for 2014 :p



Impressive nether the less.
 
Jim Farley's reaction to the ZL1:

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:Consultant

Chevy responds:

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Does not give a crap.

Is happy:
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I demand a Richard Hammond Top Gear comparo of the GT500 and ZL1.
 
Justin
You do know the ZL1(LSA) has a different engine than the ZR1(LS9) right?

And that the ZR1 has 638hp, meaning that if Chevrolet could have gotten over 600hp they could without having more than the ZR1.

I personally think the Mustang is in a league of it's own, but you come off as just another Ford fanboy.:rolleyes:
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If you're talking to me, then yes I'm aware of the engine difference. I was saying that Chevy probably wouldn't allow the Camaro to have more power than the ZR1 period, whether they stuff the LS9 in it or build a new engine for it. Most manufacturers won't let their flagship be outmatched by a car lower in the food chain.

I am a Ford lover, but in the end I'm critical of any manufacturer that can't accept the fact that they were beat and releases a BS statement like that.
 
Only the ZL-1's Nurburgring lap time, but Ford doesn't want any of that for some reason. We'll find out soon enough.
 
xNEVER-ONEx
Hold on guys. Any body have any solid performance stats for either car, apart from HP and weight?
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You mean like lateral-Gs and stuff? It's going to be a while before the Shelby's real stats are out and/or makes its 'Ring run. You can probably find some more details of the ZL1 if you Google hard enough.
 
xNEVER-ONEx
Apparently the ZL1 can do 0-60 in under 4 secs.
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Assuming the GT500 can put the power down on a launch, it could definitely be sub-4 as well. It does have launch control, so hopefully Ford isn't about to ruin a car because it doesn't have grip.
 
xNEVER-ONEx
Apparently the ZL1 can do 0-60 in under 4 secs.
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GM has been claiming "3.9 seconds when equipped with the six-speed automatic." Alike the CTS-V, apparently the car is faster with the torque converter. That always seemed odd to me, but, whatever...

Considering that the 2011 model with the 550 BHP unit was able to do about 4.1 seconds to 60 MPH, the extra 100 BHP would lower that time a shade or two. It wouldn't be unreasonable to see that go as deep as 3.5 seconds, assuming the rear end can hook up appropriately.

Its all going to come down to how well the Mustang can put down that 650 BHP. Based on the Lightning Lap from last year, both the GT500 and CTS-V ran near-enough a 3:04 on VIR. That's a 3800 lb Mustang versus a 4200 lb Cadillac, with near enough the same BHP rating. Assuming the Camaro adds on only 150-200 lbs versus the stock SS (based on estimates of 3900 lbs for the Hennessey HPE700), and adding the extra 30 BHP, I'd expect that time to slide by a second or so.

Hard to say, but its going to be an interesting fight. The Mustang will win in a straight line, no bones about that. But the Camaro may take it in the corners.
 
YSSMAN
Hard to say, but its going to be an interesting fight. The Mustang will win in a straight line, no bones about that. But the Camaro may take it in the corners.
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It weighs like 400lbs more and every previous comparison has put the Mustang on top in terms of handling. I doubt the Camaro will put up much of a fight, but hey, the new suspension may change things up.

The GM response would be hilarious if it weren't so smug. I wonder what percentage of Camaro owners actually believe in that crap.
 
Eric.
Where are we coming up with the GT500 having magnetic Bilsteins?
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I think they were getting it confused with the Camaro. I know the Corvette has a magnetic suspension of some sort and now the ZL1 has it.
 
It really is the 60s again, except this time with blowers.

It's awesome.

And it's even easier to get MOAR POWERRRRRRRRRRRR now. Quick reflash and different blower pulleys on either one and you've made an insane car even moreso.
 
Just a question,

From the link :
. . . you know, like 19-inch front and 20-inch rear wheels coupled with Goodyear Eagle® F1 SuperCar G: 2 tires on all vehicle configurations and a Torsen limited-slip differential.

Well, Ford'll add that Torsen limited-slip diff if you order the optional Performance Package.

Oh, you didn't order the optional Performance Package?
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So then if you don't order the 'optional Performance Package' then what type of diff do you get??

And still using a live rear axle??
 
Mic_Col
So then if you don't order the 'optional Performance Package' then what type of diff do you get??
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Ford's Trak-Lok clutch pack LSD. It's actually the better straight-line diff, but the Torsen works better for track duty.

Mic_Col
And still using a live rear axle??
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Yep. Why waste insane amounts of money on designing an IRS that will hold up to 650hp for arguably negligible cornering benefits?

They'd never turn a profit off of doing so. Not to mention the 8.8" stick axle doesn't break and the suspension they've got under it works incredibly well as it is.
 
The IRS debate is an interesting one.

It makes me wonder how many people who like the 'Stang's IRS berate Porsche for continually developing the 911 rather than doing something new, and how many 911 fans say IRS is too old-fashioned.

When the reality is, both have remained the same for so long because they work.

R1600Turbo
Only the ZL-1's Nurburgring lap time, but Ford doesn't want any of that for some reason. We'll find out soon enough.
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I'd love Ford to come out and say "Sod it. We don't care about the Nurburgring".
 

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