2014 Formula 1 Russian Grand Prix

Discussion in 'Motorsport' started by SVT Cobra GT, Oct 7, 2014.

  1. HKS racer

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    Instead I think that's just lame. But hey everyone is entiteled to have an opinion so go ahead think whatever you want.
     
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  2. TenEightyOne

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    Oh don't get your knickers in such a twist* :D

    F1 is an open community most of the time, if you've worked in the sport for 20 years then the chances are you have good friends at every other team in the pit lane. Ribbing/joking is part of the history of the sport and that's all this shows. I'd be very surprised if there was a single person in Ferrari who didn't just see this as a joke.


    * Panties in a wad, for our US friends
     
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    Why be so aggressive about it?

    As a fan of Ferrari (assuming given your avatar and your posts) your bias, so your opinion is worth less than someone who isn't bias towards a team. We are all entitled to an opinion but the validity of those opinions isn't. :)
     
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  4. mustafur

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    By suckers do you mean your self?

    It's meant to be a little banter, your taking it too far.

    Also why Ferrari? Why not Redbull at Milton Keynes, Ferrari haven't won anything since 2008.
     
  5. catamount39

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    Maybe it's connected to a certain someone at Ferrari and not Ferrari themselves? Maybe those rumours of Alonso going to Mercedes aren't that crazy. I mean, "See you soon"? Maybe it's a teaser...season isn't over yet.
     
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    And Mercedes wasn't a constructor for fifty-three of those years.
     
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    There is sure to be an inside joke there somewhere, otherwise they would have done something at the Red Bull factory down the road from their own.
     
  8. TenEightyOne

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    According to this article (in Italian, I'm afraid) it was in response to Ferrari's tweet; "the best Ferrari ever built is coming next".
     
  9. HKS racer

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    Agressive would have been vandalizing a 60.000 € Mercedes and post it on twitter with a non-personal account in response. Now that would have been sort of agressive. :)
    But my previous post isn't.
     
  10. baldgye

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    Not sure how that tweet could be conceived as aggressive... but I guess as a Ferrari fan it must be infuriating that your favorite team wasted the greatest tallent on the grid and have now lost said tallent
     
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  12. Hun200kmh

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    I think it's funny, although nothing beats the Audi R18 writing "Welcome" doing donuts in front of Porsche's factory. That clip still features as one of the funniest I've seen for this sort of stuff.

    All that aside, it is very interesting that Mercedes picked on their old italian rival. I gave it some thought (yeah, should be doing something else, but that's me ... :D ) and I really think Mercedes feels itself paired with Ferrari in all aspects, above all in their common, decades old, sporting heritage*.

    And I think that's why they didn't park a car outside RBR's UK facilities, or indeed in Austria's headquarters.

    *Even if "this" Mercedes is nothing like the old 100% german Neubauer team, but a british team giving good use to german money and german engines (or PU, whatever). In that respect Ferrari is now (and for some time already) one of a kind.


    EDIT - Again, reading what I wrote, I guess Ferrari's only true twin in motorsport is Porsche. McLaren comes close (road car buider, Le Mans and F1 winner), but as long as they keep using someone else's engines to race they are a step down in that ladder.
     
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    They're also the only other true complete manufacturer. ie they produce both the chassis and the engine. ;)
     
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  14. Hun200kmh

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    True, but in Mercedes case the chassis is designed by the "british branch" isn't it? My point was that the Mercedes F1 team is now effectively a 50% british / 50% german partnership, isn't it? Like the 2000's post Benneton Renault team, quite different from the 100% french Renault F1 team we had in the Arnoux/Prost era.
     
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    I'd imagine that many of the staff and a lot of the infrastructure is still mostly BAR/Honda/Brawn era anyway. Ferrari are the only team i can think of that's been a 100% true factory effort from the get go. Apart from the 80's (70's?) Renault equipe.

    Isn't the Merc engine built in Britain too?
     
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    Tis because Britain is the perfect world championship home base. :)
     
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    So that's why Honda have that base at Milton Keynes now :p
     
  18. mustafur

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    BMW Sauber would qualify as they moved the HQ to its BMW Munich HQ.
     
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    They still used the Hinwil factory too though. I wonder exactly what was created or constructed at the Munich factory other than the engines?
     
  20. mustafur

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    Yeah, they had 150 people at Hinwill(Windtunnel, Aero)and 300 people at Munich(everything else)I would say that kind of qualifies: http://www.f1complete.com/content/view/3113/617/
     
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    But they're diametrically opposed in that Ferrari build road cars to go motor racing. Porsche go racing to sell road cars.
     
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    Hmmm ... that was in the Enzo days. LdM, with all his jetset and "prima donna" attitude and nice hair cut (opposite of former mechanic Enzo), was a bit more on the road car side, but I'll still grant him part of the Enzo heritage, because he entered the car division AFTER he went racing with the F1 team. And with him the F1 team was still the pinnacle of the entire Ferrari brand.

    But now ... Mattiacci and Marchionne ... they're cars salesmen.
     
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    Amadeo Felisa is still the CEO. He came up from the Engineering side. Ferrari haven't lost the magic just yet.
     
  24. mustafur

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    Say what you want but every year it's having less and less significance.

    With all these new emerging markets in Middle East and China, Ferrari's main business is not F1 anymore.

    Now that I Think about it Jaguar in the 2000's easily qualifies, you had everything in UK with engines made by Cosworth who then where part of Fords engine group at the time also making engines in UK, not to mention for the First year(2000) they also had a all British Driver Lineup as well(Irvine and Herbert)
     
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  25. TenEightyOne

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    Irvine wasn't British, he was from Northern Ireland. However, he didn't have a UK(NI) superlicence, he drove for Republic of Ireland. I'm not sure Cosworth really counted as part of Ford as a practical proposition; I guess you're about right that Jaguar were close to "full works" at that time but you have to stretch things a bit :)
     
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    Mercedes are hardly modest are they?
     
  28. baldgye

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    Because F1 is a sport of modesty ;)
     
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    As a graphic design major, their ads really satisfy many good aspects of design.

    On an unrelated note, I find it kinda amazing that this year we have seen at least two examples of drivers stretching tire life to incredible lengths. Compared to last year, Pirelli has done well with getting past those garbage tires, despite basically doing what they were told to do.
     
  30. niky

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    Graphically, the focal points of that design are the driver's buttocks.

    Now some people may prefer that...